Education a right ?

[Mr.Fitnah]

Yes no?

 

[slackjawed]

Education is not a right. Access to an education is a privalage that one should take advantage of, and most don't.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

I saw that "education is a right" poster on Glenn Beck yesterday. It looked like something they would have drawn up in the old Soviet Socialist Republic - right down to the red color and a "workers" hand pressed down on an open book.

 

[DiamondDave]

Education of our minors, our youth, is one of the great things we can do...

Education of any adult is on that adult... and fuck these greedy little entitlement junkies who continually call for free college for all (of course at the expense of everyone but themselves)

Education is a privilege that has become almost an absolute right in the minds of many... but it is a privilege that I support wholeheartedly for our youth

 

[Article 15]

Education of our minors, our youth, is one of the great things we can do...

Education of any adult is on that adult... and fuck these greedy little entitlement junkies who continually call for free college for all (of course at the expense of everyone but themselves)

Education is a privilege that has become almost an absolute right in the minds of many... but it is a privilege that I support wholeheartedly for our youth

Did you use the GI bill?

 

[Paulie]

Yes no?

I don't see it listed in the constitution, so no.

But you certainly have a right to PURSUE it if it leads to happiness.

 

[goldcatt]

What level or type of education?

An ignorant, illiterate population certainly isn't in the national interest for a whole bunch of obvious reasons. I never thought about whether it's a "right" and I'd have to think on that some, but it would be really, really stupid not to provide K-12 to every child.

 

[boedicca]

Rather than education being a Right - education is a parental responsibility.

It is in society's interest for children to be educated, but the effect of politicizing education has resulted in indoctrination, not real education.

 

[DiamondDave]

Education of our minors, our youth, is one of the great things we can do...

Education of any adult is on that adult... and fuck these greedy little entitlement junkies who continually call for free college for all (of course at the expense of everyone but themselves)

Education is a privilege that has become almost an absolute right in the minds of many... but it is a privilege that I support wholeheartedly for our youth

Did you use the GI bill?

Yep.. used some of that employment benefit I agreed to

Does not make education a right... just as any other employer's tuition reimbursement does not make it a right

 

[Paulie]

Rather than education being a Right - education is a parental responsibility.

It is in society's interest for children to be educated, but the effect of politicizing education has resulted in indoctrination, not real education.

I'm going to have to go ahead and offer you my approval of this post, even in light of our earlier argument.

 

[Dr Grump]

Only in America - having guns is a right, but education is a privilege...talk about having it arse backwards...

 

[antagon]

a benefit that should be offered without prejudice if at all... short of a right.

 

[DiamondDave]

Only in America - having guns is a right, but education is a privilege...talk about having it arse backwards...

Hmmm... 1 is for self protection and defense... I think we can agree self defense is a right

The other is for the betterment of one's self or someone in one's care... and we have the right to pursue that, but not have it just handed to you... just as the 2nd amendment gives you the right to keep and bear arms, but not the right to have one provided to you

 

[Article 15]

Education of our minors, our youth, is one of the great things we can do...

Education of any adult is on that adult... and fuck these greedy little entitlement junkies who continually call for free college for all (of course at the expense of everyone but themselves)

Education is a privilege that has become almost an absolute right in the minds of many... but it is a privilege that I support wholeheartedly for our youth

Did you use the GI bill?

Yep.. used some of that employment benefit I agreed to

Does not make education a right... just as any other employer's tuition reimbursement does not make it a right

No, it doesn't make it a right, but because of your rhetoric it makes you look like an ass.

A $1200 investment for a guaranteed 36k return. Pretty effing sweet deal. I should know.

Plus the enormous amount of other benefits you receive from being in the service. Again, I should know.

All on the taxpayers dime.

The military, in many ways, is the pinnacle of entitlements.

 

[boedicca]

Rather than education being a Right - education is a parental responsibility.

It is in society's interest for children to be educated, but the effect of politicizing education has resulted in indoctrination, not real education.

I'm going to have to go ahead and offer you my approval of this post, even in light of our earlier argument.

It's nice to find some common ground. Thank you.

 

[DiamondDave]

Did you use the GI bill?

Yep.. used some of that employment benefit I agreed to

Does not make education a right... just as any other employer's tuition reimbursement does not make it a right

No, it doesn't make it a right, but because of your rhetoric it makes you look like an ass.

A $1200 investment for a guaranteed 36k return. Pretty effing sweet deal. I should know.

Plus the enormous amount of other benefits you receive from being in the service. Again, I should know.

All on the taxpayers dime.

The military, in many ways, is the pinnacle of entitlements.

As a return for EMPLOYMENT and complete and total service... with very little pay

You are confusing entitlements with job benefits again

Support job benefits as compensation for labors given does not nullify the stance against redistribution and entitlements

 

[Dr Grump]

Only in America - having guns is a right, but education is a privilege...talk about having it arse backwards...

Hmmm... 1 is for self protection and defense... I think we can agree self defense is a right

The other is for the betterment of one's self or someone in one's care... and we have the right to pursue that, but not have it just handed to you... just as the 2nd amendment gives you the right to keep and bear arms, but not the right to have one provided to you

I don't need a piece of paper to tell me that defense is a right.

I find it strange you need to put it in a document, and if you are going to do that, then why not education, too.

 

[DiamondDave]

Only in America - having guns is a right, but education is a privilege...talk about having it arse backwards...

Hmmm... 1 is for self protection and defense... I think we can agree self defense is a right

The other is for the betterment of one's self or someone in one's care... and we have the right to pursue that, but not have it just handed to you... just as the 2nd amendment gives you the right to keep and bear arms, but not the right to have one provided to you

I don't need a piece of paper to tell me that defense is a right.

I find it strange you need to put it in a document, and if you are going to do that, then why not education, too.

You have the right to pursue your happiness.. and if part of that happiness is your education... knock yourself out

 

[Dr Grump]

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You have the right to pursue your happiness.. and if part of that happiness is your education... knock yourself out

Ditto re firearms, however they are more important than education it seems...so much so you had to put it in your constitution. As I said, glad to see the US has its priorities...

 

[goldcatt]

Only in America - having guns is a right, but education is a privilege...talk about having it arse backwards...

Hmmm... 1 is for self protection and defense... I think we can agree self defense is a right

The other is for the betterment of one's self or someone in one's care... and we have the right to pursue that, but not have it just handed to you... just as the 2nd amendment gives you the right to keep and bear arms, but not the right to have one provided to you

I don't need a piece of paper to tell me that defense is a right.

I find it strange you need to put it in a document, and if you are going to do that, then why not education, too.

A document written in the late 18th century (when the majority of the population was illiterate) that hasn't always been updated with the times. Or the availability of schools and educational resources. But while a lot of people simply didn't have schools in late 18th century America, they did have guns. So guns made it in. There's also the whole argument over whether the people who wrote it were simply self-serving elitists who didn't want an educated populace threatening their positions, but I'm not touching that live wire.