Education a right ?

[SpidermanTuba]

Europeans can do whatever the fuck they want in their own countries.

That's exactly my point

That doesn't mean you're going to find the majority of Americans willing to live on 41 cents of their dollar, all the while crossing their fingers and hoping someone ELSE will bail them out if they have a national defense problem.

I wasn't aware the entire European content lived in a state of perpetual fear.

 

[The Rabbi]

Denmark is currently the most taxed country in the OECD and the world with an income tax of up to 59%[1]

Denmark: Budget slipping into the red
I hadnt realized Denmark is an oil producer. I wonder what their budget would look like without oil r evenue.

They get a lot more for their tax dollars than we do. But please feel free to ignore that fact.

Huh?
Do you even know what kind of point you're trying to make?
Of course they get more. They aren't taking responsibility for their own defense, relying on the American umbrella. That saves a bunch that can be used to subsidize needy Muslims who aren't interested in working.

 

[antagon]

Mark Steyn makes a great point this week about how the United States makes it possible for all these Euro-socialist countries to spend on social welfare, but that there's no such backstop for us if we go the same route. Excellent piece. Don't miss a word.
Tattered Liberty - Mark Steyn - National Review Online

Mark Stein sounds like a self righteous piece of shit. I'm pretty sure Europeans pay for their social welfare with their own money and under their own laws.

europeans started all that social welfare with marshall plan DOLLARS to start with.

 

[The Rabbi]

Mark Steyn makes a great point this week about how the United States makes it possible for all these Euro-socialist countries to spend on social welfare, but that there's no such backstop for us if we go the same route. Excellent piece. Don't miss a word.
Tattered Liberty - Mark Steyn - National Review Online

Mark Stein sounds like a self righteous piece of shit. I'm pretty sure Europeans pay for their social welfare with their own money and under their own laws.

europeans started all that social welfare with marshall plan DOLLARS to start with.

Not really.
Actually it came in the German Empire under Bismark.

 

[mdn2000]

mark steyn makes a great point this week about how the united states makes it possible for all these euro-socialist countries to spend on social welfare, but that there's no such backstop for us if we go the same route. Excellent piece. Don't miss a word.
tattered liberty - mark steyn - national review online

mark stein sounds like a self righteous piece of shit. I'm pretty sure europeans pay for their social welfare with their own money and under their own laws.

he is canadian

 

[editec]

Mark Steyn makes a great point this week about how the United States makes it possible for all these Euro-socialist countries to spend on social welfare, but that there's no such backstop for us if we go the same route. Excellent piece. Don't miss a word.
Tattered Liberty - Mark Steyn - National Review Online

Mark Stein sounds like a self righteous piece of shit. I'm pretty sure Europeans pay for their social welfare with their own money and under their own laws.

europeans started all that social welfare with marshall plan DOLLARS to start with.

Go read some history, you ignoramous.

 

[The great dane]

Sigh...

We pay an average of around 42% in tax, the richer you are the more you pay.
The idea here is that the more fortunate helps the less fortunate.

No our education and healthcare isnt "free" because we pay for it through our taxes.
However I havent paid a single dollar to go at my school, so it is free for me.

Then someone writes Denmark: Budget slipping into the red
I hadnt realized Denmark is an oil producer. I wonder what their budget would look like without oil r evenue.


Whats the point of that? I can play along if you wish.
How is the US budget?
The total debt has increased over $500 billion each year since FY 2003, with increases of $1 trillion in FY2008 and $1.9 trillion in FY2009.[4]
Huh, not doing so great it seems, but I guess China is loving it.

Why do you think we need the US military to protect us?
The EU got enough military to protect Europe against anyone.

 

[The Rabbi]

Why do you think we need the US military to protect us?
The EU got enough military to protect Europe against anyone.

You're kidding, right?
The Euro's armies are so rotted through, so unprepared to do anything other than stage a band concert that they are a joke. When Serbs were committing genocide the Euros' response was to sit around and talk about it. When that failed they resolved to talk more. Finally it took U.S. resolve and military power to put a stop to it.
The Europeans are so politically correct they are allowing muslims to undermine their way of life and destroy their culture.
You guys couldn't protect yourselves from a third rate tin pot dictator, much less a determined enemy like Putin.

 

[The great dane]

If you can back that up in some way, I would believe it.

EU active military count: 1,536,274
US active military count: 1,445,000

EU combat aircraft: 3,523
EU tanks: 11,452

I have no idea what the US has

 

[The Rabbi]

Sure thing.
Fraters Libertas

Interesting piece in today?s WSJ about the combat readiness of the various European armies. Shockingly enough, they aint.

The article says that the European armies spend most of their meager budgets on benees and pay for their soldiers, as opposed to gear or weapons. To wit: the US spends about 36% of its budget on personnel expenditures. Germany is at 61%. Italy 72% and Portugal a whopping 80%. It makes it somewhat hard to update your weapons systems when your budget is going down the gullet of the soldiers like so many weinerschnitzel.

It was also somewhat (only somewhat--this IS Europe after all and there was a reason our ancestors ditched the place) surprising to learn that the average age of a Belgian soldier is 40, compared with 28 for US forces. The thought of pretty much any Belgian army hardly strikes fear into it?s enemies, but an OLD Belgian army is even more of a joke.

The armies of Europe have become an extension of the generous welfare state most of the governments have already wrapped their citizens in.

more at the source.

 

[mdn2000]

Sigh...

We pay an average of around 42% in tax, the richer you are the more you pay.
The idea here is that the more fortunate helps the less fortunate.

No our education and healthcare isnt "free" because we pay for it through our taxes.
However I havent paid a single dollar to go at my school, so it is free for me.

Then someone writes Denmark: Budget slipping into the red
I hadnt realized Denmark is an oil producer. I wonder what their budget would look like without oil r evenue.


Whats the point of that? I can play along if you wish.
How is the US budget?
The total debt has increased over $500 billion each year since FY 2003, with increases of $1 trillion in FY2008 and $1.9 trillion in FY2009.[4]
Huh, not doing so great it seems, but I guess China is loving it.

Why do you think we need the US military to protect us?
The EU got enough military to protect Europe against anyone.

This poster is an impostor, not from Denmark.

 

[Old Rocks]

Sigh...

We pay an average of around 42% in tax, the richer you are the more you pay.
The idea here is that the more fortunate helps the less fortunate.

No our education and healthcare isnt "free" because we pay for it through our taxes.
However I havent paid a single dollar to go at my school, so it is free for me.

Then someone writes Denmark: Budget slipping into the red
I hadnt realized Denmark is an oil producer. I wonder what their budget would look like without oil r evenue.


Whats the point of that? I can play along if you wish.
How is the US budget?
The total debt has increased over $500 billion each year since FY 2003, with increases of $1 trillion in FY2008 and $1.9 trillion in FY2009.[4]
Huh, not doing so great it seems, but I guess China is loving it.

Why do you think we need the US military to protect us?
The EU got enough military to protect Europe against anyone.

This poster is an impostor, not from Denmark.

Your proof of which is?


Living in Denmark

Living in Denmark
The Danish welfare system is characterized by economic growth and a high standard of living due to the relatively equal distribution of income. This means that citizens enjoy extensive financial security. They are supported in times of sickness, unemployment and old age. Supplementary services include help with rent payment and with expenses on children. Furthermore, citizens are offered services such as day-care centres, health care and home care.

Contrary to most other EU member states, social benefits in Denmark only to a very limited degree depend on employer contributions and direct contributions, and peoples right to benefits depends only to a limited extent on their former activity on the labour market. The principle behind the Danish welfare society, often known as “the Scandinavian welfare model”, is that all citizens have access to social benefits regardless of their social or ethnic background. This means that foreigners living in Denmark benefit from the Danish welfare system on an equally with Danes and may benefit from the public (partly self financed) childcare system, the public educational system and the free public health service.

Foreigners living in Denmark describe it as a safe and peaceful country for their children to grow up in. Many emphasize the high quality of life and the opportunities for families with children. Many also appreciate the unpolluted and easily accessible natural environment they find in Denmark.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

I wonder how much money Denmark gets from the USA ?

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Why do you think we need the US military to protect us?
The EU got enough military to protect Europe against anyone.

Sigh , you cant even identify your enemies.

 

[frazzledgear]

I saw that "education is a right" poster on Glenn Beck yesterday. It looked like something they would have drawn up in the old Soviet Socialist Republic - right down to the red color and a "workers" hand pressed down on an open book.

Real rights only involve actions taken by an individual, actions considered necessary for the proper and full protection of an individual's personal thoughts, opinions and beliefs. And that is what real rights are -protecting those actions we believe are absolutely necessary in order to best protect what is in our HEADS. Having rights places NO obligation either on other people or government to help you exercise them. NOT EVER. Real rights only places restrictions on government about any actions it may NOT take to punish someone for how they chose to exercise their rights. True rights NEVER places obligations on anyone else or government to help you exercise them.

You have the right of free speech but I, as a fellow citizen, am NOT obligated to pay for a stadium either directly or in the form of taxes so you can use it to exercise your free speech. It is a right because it means government cannot arrest you for what you said while exercising that right. You have the right of assembly but I do not have to pay for that same stadium so you can assemble -it means government cannot arrest you for assembling. You have the right to worship as you want but I am under no obligation to build you a church so you can -it means government cannot arrest you because of your religious or lack of religious beliefs. Your RIGHTS place zero obligation on ME as a fellow citizen. I lose none of my own rights just because someone else exercises their own. And no one has a right to the fruits of my own labor but ME. In THIS country, the amount that is turned over to government is decided by WE THE PEOPLE through our elected representatives -who we can and will remove from office if they refuse to carry out the will of the people and replace with them with someone who will.


The left just cannot grasp this one -but if your fellow citizens are expected to cough up the money for it either directly or indirectly in the form of taxes, or it requires individuals to perform some service on your behalf - then it isn't a "right". PERIOD. Real rights never place any such obligations on others. Anything that is paid for by taxpayers -which is NOT all citizens -is never a right. Whatever is provided by taxpayer money and made available to others is an ENTITLEMENT PROGRAM only. Not a right. Our public school system is an entitlement program -one that does not extend to college. And even though we have created greater access to a higher education with a variety of measures -education can never be a "right" because there is no such thing as a "right" to the knowledge possessed by another person. Individuals are either provided access to those willing to impart that knowledge in the form of a freebie or they may pay for it. But if it were a true right, it would mean a right to FORCE others to fork over their knowledge to you whether they wanted to or not. No such right.

 

[The great dane]

I dont get it, why is it so hard to believe im from Denmark
All you say is "imposter!", but you never tell me why you dont think im from Denmark.

How much money the US gives Denmark? Are you serious?
Denmark produces oil, natural gas, wind- and bio-energy. Its principal exports are machinery, instruments and food products. The U.S. is Denmark's largest non-European trading partner, accounting for around 5% of total Danish merchandise trade. Aircraft, computers, machinery, and instruments are among the major U.S. exports to Denmark.
Among major Danish exports to the U.S. are industrial machinery, chemical products, furniture, pharmaceuticals, and canned ham and pork.

Some of you people act like the US doesnt need the rest of the world and your country is the best in world. I can understand why you think like that, I think the same about my country.
However saying "I wonder how much money Denmark gets from the USA" just indicates that you have no clue whats going on.
No, the US doesnt give us money, they trade with us and fight with us.

When Iraq was invaded, there was only 4 contries who joined you, Denmark being one of them. Yeah we didnt send as many soldiers as you, but then again we arent as many as you.

 

[SpidermanTuba]

I wonder how much money Denmark gets from the USA ?

Why don't you look it up and let us know

U.S. Foreign Aid Summary

 

[konradv]

They are the natural rights of an individual that preexist and are independent of the form of government. We are born with them. Education and Health Care are things we acquire with some effort, i.e., services we earn. Calling them rights confuses them with a natural condition
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I'm sorry, but you're not born with any natural rights. Rights as we know them are a gift we've given ourselves by banding together and calling it government. Natural rights, on the other hand, involve things like, if we're of different species and I'm stronger, I have the right to kill you and eat you. If we're of the same species and I'm stronger, I'll take your kill, leave you the left overs and from then on you'll be subservient to me. THAT'S Natural Law. I have no idea where you get your rose-colored scenario. It doesn'r seem to have much to do with realitry, however.