Eastern Philosophy

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    Well now. Maybe paganism could be considered a form of metaphysical philosophy if nothing else, which could include philosophies of religion and human nature and maybe nature itself. And I don't think many philosophies have much of a structure to them, and who is to say what enlightenment means or how you achieve it. And also the concept of monotheism headed by a male God may seem absurd to you but I'm pretty sure there are a few billion other people who would not agree.

    I do think it wouldn't be a bad idea for anyone to give some study to all forms and schools of philosophy. Funny thing, I recently bought a book on Tao Te Ching and am working my way through it. Gotta be honest, some of it escapes me; maybe I just ain't that bright.
     
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    Of course it's mathematically impossible for anywhere to have been "always crowded". But perhaps you're hinting at different philosophies of who "owns" a territory....

    On the other hand if there was always room in Europe, where are the Picts today? And if expanding into "more space" was so available, why the great influx to the Americas? And given that migration where are the Arawaks?
     
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    That's just simple logic. When have you ever seen a male give birth? Exactly.

    Given a claim of belief in a single (male) "god" I always ask, where is his consort -- the female which makes that god "male"? Without "female", "male" is an impossibility.

    The male has one purpose in biology, and that is to impregnate the female. And by doing so improve the gene selection through choice of co-parent. Males, by definition, cannot create life. Ergo --- absurd.

    Of course this leads us to the truth that it's not necessary for "god" to have a gender at all. And yet, monotheism insists not only is there a gender but that gender is one that by definition cannot exist sui generis. This then invites the question of why any gender insistence --- which is in no way necessary --- got pushed at all. Aye, there's the rub.


    I can readily recommend the aforementioned Alan Watts lectures via YouTube or whatever medium is convenient.

    One thing about the Tao --- if you can reduce it to a verbal definition........... you haven't reduced it to a verbal definition. The scope of language is too limited to do that. It kind of has to be grokked. Or to paraphrase Watts, that which explains the Tao ------ is not the Tao.
     
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    In the 4th Century BCE when the Chinese were inventing Taoism, China was already crowded.

    In the 8th Century BCE when the Greeks were inventing Western Philosophy, Europe was mostly empty forests.

    It is just a timing issue.

    The whole world is crowded now except for parts of the American West, Canada, and Siberia.
     
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    My favorite one of many is;
    Those who know do not speak
    Those who speak do not know. :)

    Or this one
    Whatever is flexible & flowing
    Will tend to grow
    Whatever is rigid & blocked will wither & die
     
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    This thread makes me sad.


    And the whole world is not crowded now.
     
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    This would appear to be genetic, Britain's extremely individualistic, and they're crowded too.
     
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    Native Americans were more remotely isolated, and they're collectivists.

    Look at Guatemala a heavily collectivist nation, with a strong Native American background.

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    Source for this map please? What's sort of study is it derived from?
     
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    Going back to this...

    There's an easy case to be made to the contrary. Check out the handy-dandy map just above and compare the sizes of Europe and Asia. Doesn't take land area stats to see which has WAY more room for the family farm with extensive fields and more space, and it's not Europe.

    The theory holds however if applied to the 'discovery' of the Americas (and the similar case of Australia), at the time seen as the gift from God to the White Man to just ramble in and grab oneself an estate, the inconvenience of already-present populations being dismissed as "savages". A philosophy of "I got mine and screw y'all" (Individualism) is virtually inevitable given that dynamic.

    Looking back to Europe again, by contrast given the consistent 'complaints' of Euro-socialism regularly rendered on this board as a model We the Individuals* would rather avoid, it would seem that still-more-crowded-than-here continent.

    *deliberately expressed as poignant contrast to "We the People" for those who remember that


    These migrations would have been way before philosophies leaning to "Individual" or "collective" would have taken shape. And again, if Europe was so "empty" where are the Picts? What happened to the Celts' living space? Or the Basques?

    Here's a far more likely impetus for one swath of peoples going the Individualist route while Asia, Native America and Africa were going the other way --- Monotheism. The concept that creation, and by extension any kind of value, is embedded in a single (and very much separate) individual. The Judeo-Christian mindset, which is very much coincident with cultures that have taken the Individualist route.
     

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