Dugout Doug

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    Douglas MacArthur was a hard charging WW1 officer who went on to become the senior officer "Chief of Staff" during the "peace time" of the 30's. He retired just prior to WW2 but for some reason FDR talked him into taking a reduction in rank and becoming the commander of US Troops in the area which was most likely to be the target of the Japanese attack which would ignite America's involvement in WW2. What the hell were they thinking?
     
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    MacArthur was the commanding General of US and Philippine Troops. When the stuff hit the fan the day after Pearl Harbor MacArthur blamed subordinates and lost his entire Army. He was rescued and awarded the Medal of Honor for ....I don't know what the hell he did to justify the highest award for valor.
     
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    MacArthur's citation for the Medal of Honor is embarrassingly short. The "valor" part seems to be where he emerged from his hole in the ground on Corrigador and shook his fist at a couple of Japanese Zero planes. The rest is padding.
     
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    ACCEPTED THE JAP SURRENDER ON THE USS MISSOURI AFTER THE MOST DEVASTATING WAR (and the last real one) IN HUMAN HISTORY.

    Like the guy...........................
     
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    One thing about Mac, he knew the power of the press. Some say his personal press corps was bigger than a combat platoon. You forgot the dramatic movie footage of the General wading ashore in the Philippines. No doubt the guy had charisma.
     
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    I would rather have guys likePatton and MacAurther who played to win over guys like Westmoreland
     
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    Ya see, in the greatest Country in the world the generals work for the civilians. LBJ created the fake crisis and set the standards for combat in VietNam. There are exceptions such as Korea. We had a president who was too timid to confront the general until it was too late. Truman allowed a possibly mentally impared elderly general to expand the mission to the breaking point. MacArthur never spent a night in Korea and relied on sycophant generals like Willoughby to feed him only information he wanted to hear. The NK invasion was probably the biggest ambush in history. Legend has it that Mac took his press corps on a plane ride to the Yalu river and pointed out how peaceful it looked. Meanwhile a division of Communist Chinese was camouflaged below. Mac finally got himself canned after he made wild threats about nuking China.
     
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    I forgot to mention that it was US Veterans who called General MacArthur "dugout Doug". Incumbent president Harry Truman couldn't even get his own party's support for a second elected term in 1952after his inept handling of the Korean Conflict. The media still loved "give 'em hell Harry and the "old Soldier" but Americans didn't. MacArthur recieved a tickertape parade in NYC after being relieved of duty and the president who relieved him of duty was still propped up in the press (and the history books to this day. MacArthur thought he had the republican nomination for president but Korean veterans caused him to be dumped.
     
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    he did more with nothing than any other genral in the war. his island hoping strategy was brilliant. His landing at inchon, brilliant and the rate he reclaimed korea was incredible.
     
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    Ya calling a General Dugout cause he OBEYED the Presidents personal order to leave is fair and correct.

    Mac had problems and used people but he knew what he was doing. And yes he knew how to use the press. In WW2 his plans were sound.

    In Korea his mouth got us in a shooting war with China. He was probably to old and should have been relieved before the war.

    But the sea borne invasion was a MASTER stroke. Even after Mac was relieved the new Commander put our troops on a tight wire with no where to go against the Chinese.

    Remember the Chosin Reservoir? An entire Division of Marines cut off by 9 Chinese Divisions? That was caused after Mac was gone. The Marines were ordered to advance in separate Regiments after reporting heavy Chinese Presence in the area. The Marine General and the Two Regimental commanders agreed to delay the split and make excuses to the Corps commander as to why they had not advanced in separate directions. This move is probably the ONLY reason the entire Division was not lost. Two days later the Chinese attacked in force and because both Regiments were still together they stopped the attack and managed to fight their way back to the third Regiment. The entire Division plus Army survivors managed to fight the Division out to the Coast after being written off by High Command.
     
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