Donald Trump Dislikes Minorities. Well, No Wonder....

[boilermaker55]

After reading this it makes one wonder...would "the donald" consider is father a LOSER!

 

[Disir]

Say that out loud. You support depressing wages for Americans.

Do you realize how ignorant you sound when proposing getting rid of illegals opens up jobs for Americans? What American is going to want to step into below minimum wage work? Dork

H1B visas are clearly not minimum wage work unless you have your way. Further,

The jobless rate of Americans ages 25 to 34 who have only completed high school grew 4.3 percentage points to 10.6 percent in 2013 from 2007, according to Bureau of Labor Statistics data. Unemployment for those in that age group with a college degree rose 1.5 percentage points to 3.7 percent in the same period.

“The underemployment of college graduates affects lesser educated parts of the labor force,” said economist Richard Vedder, director of the Center for College Affordability and Productivity, a not-for-profit research organization in Washington. “Those with high-school diplomas that normally would have no problem getting jobs as bartenders or taxi drivers are sometimes kept from getting the jobs by people with college diplomas,” said Vedder, who is also a Bloomberg View contributor.

Low-wage Positions
Recent college graduates are ending up in more low-wage and part-time positions as it’s become harder to find education-level appropriate jobs, according to a January study by the Federal Reserve Bank of New York.

The share of Americans ages 22 to 27 with at least a bachelor’s degree in jobs that don’t require that level of education was 44 percent in 2012, up from 34 percent in 2001, the study found.

The recent rise in underemployment for college graduates represents a return to the levels of the early 1990s, according to the New York Fed study. The rate rose to 46 percent during the 1990-1991 recession, then declined during the economic expansion that followed as employers hired new graduates to keep pace with technological advances.
College Grads Taking Low-Wage Jobs Displace Less Educated

KEY FINDINGS:
• Immigrants compose an increasingly large share of the U.S. labor force and a growing share of low-wage workers. Immigrants are 11 percent of all U.S. residents, but 14 percent of all workers and 20 percent of low-wage workers.
• Immigrants’ hourly wages are lower on average than those for natives, and nearly half earn less than 200 percent of the minimum wage—versus one-third of native workers.
• Immigrant workers are much more likely than natives to drop out of high school (30 versus 8 percent), and are far more likely to have less than a ninth-grade education (18 versus 1 percent).
• Three-fourths of all U.S. workers with less than a ninth-grade education are immigrants.
•Nearly two-thirds of low-wage immigrant workers do not speak English proficiently, and most of these workers have had little formal education.
• Two of every five low-wage immigrant workers are undocumented. Labor force participation is higher among undocumented men than among men who are legal immigrants or U.S. citizens.
• While the low-wage native labor force is mainly female (59 percent), men dominate the
low-wage immigrant labor force (56 percent).
• Even though they are less likely to participate in the labor force, female immigrant workers are better educated and more likely to be in the United States legally than male immigrants.
• Foreign-born women earn substantially lower wages than either foreign-born men or native women.
• Although immigrants dominate a few low-wage occupations—farming and private household workers—immigrants in these occupations represent a small share of all low-wage foreign-born workers. During the 1990s, one out of every two new workers was an immigrant.
1 While many immigrants speak English well and enter the United States with strong academic credentials and skills, many others do not. Like other low-skilled workers, few of these immigrants enjoy the benefits of employer-provided training programs, most of which are geared to managers or highly skilled workers.
2 Low-wage immigrant workers have also been outside the reach of government-spon-
sored job training programs that concentrate on getting welfare recipients into the labor market and have often underserved persons with limited English skills.
http://www.law.yale.edu/documents/pdf/Clinics/Immclinic_Low_wage_workforce_Passel.pdf

There is some disagreement among economist about the size of the impact on American workers. However, almost all economists agree that less-educated workers have done very poorly in the labor market over the last four decades as immigration has increased. This testimony examines trends in wages and employment and finds no evidence of a shortage of less-educated workers. Moreover, there is significant research showing that immigration has reduced employment and wages for less-educated natives.

Highlights

• There is no evidence of a labor shortage at the bottom end of the labor market. If there were, wages, benefits, and employment should all be increasing.
  
  
• There has been a long-term decline in wages, even before the current recession:1
  • Hourly wages for male non-high school graduates declined 22 percent from 1979 to 2007.
  • Hourly wages for male high school graduates declined 10 percent from 1979 to 2007.
• Comparing the third quarters of 2000 and 2007 shows that the share of adult natives (18 to 65) without a high school degree holding a job fell from 54 percent to 48 percent. For those with only a high school education, it fell from 73 percent to 70 percent.2
  
  
• The current situation looks even worse. The share of natives (18 to 65) without a high school degree holding a job in the third quarter of 2009 was down to 43 percent. For those (18 to 65) with only a high school education it was down to 65 percent.3
  
  
• There is huge supply of potential less-educated workers. In 2007, before the recession, there were more than 22 million native-born Americans (18 to 65) with a high school degree or less not working. In the third quarter of 2009 it was nearly 26 million.4
  
  
• There is no evidence that immigrants only do jobs Americans don’t want. Of the 465 occupations defined by the government, only four are majority immigrant. Many jobs often thought to be majority immigrant are in fact majority native. For example:5
  • Maids and housekeepers: 55 percent native-born
  • Taxi drivers and chauffeurs: 58 percent native-born
  • Butchers and meat processors: 63 percent native-born
  • Grounds maintenance workers: 65 percent native-born
  • Construction laborers: 65 percent native-born
  • Janitors: 75 percent native-born.
  • 
    
    Immigration’s Impact on U.S. Workers

If H1B visas are being used by business to pay lower wages getting rid of Mexicans is only going to add 3,400 jobs. The preponderance of visas originate in other countries not currently being talked about by Donald Trump.

But he is talking about them and you're not. Hence, the reason that the focus is on racism. By focusing on that you don't have to deal with the rest of it. Pretty convenient. Is it not? Because all of what I first posted came from his website. Policies.

You support depressing American wages.

You are wrong again. If Americans pick up 3400 jobs because Mexicans are being deported what about the 250,000 jobs that are not being discussed? Also, what of the intern jobs that Trump uses to avoid paying a living wage? Nearly all of his companies use internships to pick up college graduates.

No. You are wrong. If you look at what he is saying---it isn't about all Mexicans. In fact, if you want to get real technical then I can pull up information on Mexico's immigration problem.
Put American Workers First

Decades of disastrous trade deals and immigration policies have destroyed our middle class. Today, nearly 40% of black teenagers are unemployed. Nearly 30% of Hispanic teenagers are unemployed. For black Americans without high school diplomas, the bottom has fallen out: more than 70% were employed in 1960, compared to less than 40% in 2000. Across the economy, the percentage of adults in the labor force has collapsed to a level not experienced in generations. As CBS news wrote in a piece entitled “America’s incredible shrinking middle class”: “If the middle-class is the economic backbone of America, then the country is developing osteoporosis.”

The influx of foreign workers holds down salaries, keeps unemployment high, and makes it difficult for poor and working class Americans – including immigrants themselves and their children – to earn a middle class wage. Nearly half of all immigrants and their US-born children currently live in or near poverty, including more than 60 percent of Hispanic immigrants. Every year, we voluntarily admit another 2 million new immigrants, guest workers, refugees, and dependents, growing our existing all-time historic record population of 42 million immigrants. We need to control the admission of new low-earning workers in order to: help wages grow, get teenagers back to work, aid minorities’ rise into the middle class, help schools and communities falling behind, and to ensure our immigrant members of the national family become part of the American dream.



Additionally, we need to stop giving legal immigrant visas to people bent on causing us harm. From the 9/11 hijackers, to the Boston Bombers, and many others, our immigration system is being used to attack us. The President of the immigration caseworkers union declared in a statement on ISIS: “We've become the visa clearinghouse for the world.”

Here are some additional specific policy proposals for long-term reform:

Increase prevailing wage for H-1Bs. We graduate two times more Americans with STEM degrees each year than find STEM jobs, yet as much as two-thirds of entry-level hiring for IT jobs is accomplished through the H-1B program. More than half of H-1B visas are issued for the program's lowest allowable wage level, and more than eighty percent for its bottom two. Raising the prevailing wage paid to H-1Bs will force companies to give these coveted entry-level jobs to the existing domestic pool of unemployed native and immigrant workers in the U.S., instead of flying in cheaper workers from overseas. This will improve the number of black, Hispanic and female workers in Silicon Valley who have been passed over in favor of the H-1B program. Mark Zuckerberg’s personal Senator, Marco Rubio, has a bill to triple H-1Bs that would decimate women and minorities.

Requirement to hire American workers first. Too many visas, like the H-1B, have no such requirement. In the year 2015, with 92 million Americans outside the workforce and incomes collapsing, we need to companies to hire from the domestic pool of unemployed. Petitions for workers should be mailed to the unemployment office, not USCIS.

End welfare abuse. Applicants for entry to the United States should be required to certify that they can pay for their own housing, healthcare and other needs before coming to the U.S.

Jobs program for inner city youth. The J-1 visa jobs program for foreign youth will be terminated and replaced with a resume bank for inner city youth provided to all corporate subscribers to the J-1 visa program.

Refugee program for American children. Increase standards for the admission of refugees and asylum-seekers to crack down on abuses. Use the monies saved on expensive refugee programs to help place American children without parents in safer homes and communities, and to improve community safety in high crime neighborhoods in the United States.

Immigration moderation. Before any new green cards are issued to foreign workers abroad, there will be a pause where employers will have to hire from the domestic pool of unemployed immigrant and native workers. This will help reverse women's plummeting workplace participation rate, grow wages, and allow record immigration levels to subside to more moderate historical averages.

Immigration Reform

Try again.

 

[nuhuh]

Do you realize how ignorant you sound when proposing getting rid of illegals opens up jobs for Americans? What American is going to want to step into below minimum wage work? Dork

H1B visas are clearly not minimum wage work unless you have your way. Further,

The jobless rate of Americans ages 25 to 34 who have only completed high school grew 4.3 percentage points to 10.6 percent in 2013 from 2007, according to Bureau of Labor Statistics data. Unemployment for those in that age group with a college degree rose 1.5 percentage points to 3.7 percent in the same period.

“The underemployment of college graduates affects lesser educated parts of the labor force,” said economist Richard Vedder, director of the Center for College Affordability and Productivity, a not-for-profit research organization in Washington. “Those with high-school diplomas that normally would have no problem getting jobs as bartenders or taxi drivers are sometimes kept from getting the jobs by people with college diplomas,” said Vedder, who is also a Bloomberg View contributor.

Low-wage Positions
Recent college graduates are ending up in more low-wage and part-time positions as it’s become harder to find education-level appropriate jobs, according to a January study by the Federal Reserve Bank of New York.

The share of Americans ages 22 to 27 with at least a bachelor’s degree in jobs that don’t require that level of education was 44 percent in 2012, up from 34 percent in 2001, the study found.

The recent rise in underemployment for college graduates represents a return to the levels of the early 1990s, according to the New York Fed study. The rate rose to 46 percent during the 1990-1991 recession, then declined during the economic expansion that followed as employers hired new graduates to keep pace with technological advances.
College Grads Taking Low-Wage Jobs Displace Less Educated

KEY FINDINGS:
• Immigrants compose an increasingly large share of the U.S. labor force and a growing share of low-wage workers. Immigrants are 11 percent of all U.S. residents, but 14 percent of all workers and 20 percent of low-wage workers.
• Immigrants’ hourly wages are lower on average than those for natives, and nearly half earn less than 200 percent of the minimum wage—versus one-third of native workers.
• Immigrant workers are much more likely than natives to drop out of high school (30 versus 8 percent), and are far more likely to have less than a ninth-grade education (18 versus 1 percent).
• Three-fourths of all U.S. workers with less than a ninth-grade education are immigrants.
•Nearly two-thirds of low-wage immigrant workers do not speak English proficiently, and most of these workers have had little formal education.
• Two of every five low-wage immigrant workers are undocumented. Labor force participation is higher among undocumented men than among men who are legal immigrants or U.S. citizens.
• While the low-wage native labor force is mainly female (59 percent), men dominate the
low-wage immigrant labor force (56 percent).
• Even though they are less likely to participate in the labor force, female immigrant workers are better educated and more likely to be in the United States legally than male immigrants.
• Foreign-born women earn substantially lower wages than either foreign-born men or native women.
• Although immigrants dominate a few low-wage occupations—farming and private household workers—immigrants in these occupations represent a small share of all low-wage foreign-born workers. During the 1990s, one out of every two new workers was an immigrant.
1 While many immigrants speak English well and enter the United States with strong academic credentials and skills, many others do not. Like other low-skilled workers, few of these immigrants enjoy the benefits of employer-provided training programs, most of which are geared to managers or highly skilled workers.
2 Low-wage immigrant workers have also been outside the reach of government-spon-
sored job training programs that concentrate on getting welfare recipients into the labor market and have often underserved persons with limited English skills.
http://www.law.yale.edu/documents/pdf/Clinics/Immclinic_Low_wage_workforce_Passel.pdf

There is some disagreement among economist about the size of the impact on American workers. However, almost all economists agree that less-educated workers have done very poorly in the labor market over the last four decades as immigration has increased. This testimony examines trends in wages and employment and finds no evidence of a shortage of less-educated workers. Moreover, there is significant research showing that immigration has reduced employment and wages for less-educated natives.

Highlights

• There is no evidence of a labor shortage at the bottom end of the labor market. If there were, wages, benefits, and employment should all be increasing.
  
  
• There has been a long-term decline in wages, even before the current recession:1
  • Hourly wages for male non-high school graduates declined 22 percent from 1979 to 2007.
  • Hourly wages for male high school graduates declined 10 percent from 1979 to 2007.
• Comparing the third quarters of 2000 and 2007 shows that the share of adult natives (18 to 65) without a high school degree holding a job fell from 54 percent to 48 percent. For those with only a high school education, it fell from 73 percent to 70 percent.2
  
  
• The current situation looks even worse. The share of natives (18 to 65) without a high school degree holding a job in the third quarter of 2009 was down to 43 percent. For those (18 to 65) with only a high school education it was down to 65 percent.3
  
  
• There is huge supply of potential less-educated workers. In 2007, before the recession, there were more than 22 million native-born Americans (18 to 65) with a high school degree or less not working. In the third quarter of 2009 it was nearly 26 million.4
  
  
• There is no evidence that immigrants only do jobs Americans don’t want. Of the 465 occupations defined by the government, only four are majority immigrant. Many jobs often thought to be majority immigrant are in fact majority native. For example:5
  • Maids and housekeepers: 55 percent native-born
  • Taxi drivers and chauffeurs: 58 percent native-born
  • Butchers and meat processors: 63 percent native-born
  • Grounds maintenance workers: 65 percent native-born
  • Construction laborers: 65 percent native-born
  • Janitors: 75 percent native-born.
  • 
    
    Immigration’s Impact on U.S. Workers

If H1B visas are being used by business to pay lower wages getting rid of Mexicans is only going to add 3,400 jobs. The preponderance of visas originate in other countries not currently being talked about by Donald Trump.

But he is talking about them and you're not. Hence, the reason that the focus is on racism. By focusing on that you don't have to deal with the rest of it. Pretty convenient. Is it not? Because all of what I first posted came from his website. Policies.

You support depressing American wages.

You are wrong again. If Americans pick up 3400 jobs because Mexicans are being deported what about the 250,000 jobs that are not being discussed? Also, what of the intern jobs that Trump uses to avoid paying a living wage? Nearly all of his companies use internships to pick up college graduates.

No. You are wrong. If you look at what he is saying---it isn't about all Mexicans. In fact, if you want to get real technical then I can pull up information on Mexico's immigration problem.
Put American Workers First

Decades of disastrous trade deals and immigration policies have destroyed our middle class. Today, nearly 40% of black teenagers are unemployed. Nearly 30% of Hispanic teenagers are unemployed. For black Americans without high school diplomas, the bottom has fallen out: more than 70% were employed in 1960, compared to less than 40% in 2000. Across the economy, the percentage of adults in the labor force has collapsed to a level not experienced in generations. As CBS news wrote in a piece entitled “America’s incredible shrinking middle class”: “If the middle-class is the economic backbone of America, then the country is developing osteoporosis.”

The influx of foreign workers holds down salaries, keeps unemployment high, and makes it difficult for poor and working class Americans – including immigrants themselves and their children – to earn a middle class wage. Nearly half of all immigrants and their US-born children currently live in or near poverty, including more than 60 percent of Hispanic immigrants. Every year, we voluntarily admit another 2 million new immigrants, guest workers, refugees, and dependents, growing our existing all-time historic record population of 42 million immigrants. We need to control the admission of new low-earning workers in order to: help wages grow, get teenagers back to work, aid minorities’ rise into the middle class, help schools and communities falling behind, and to ensure our immigrant members of the national family become part of the American dream.



Additionally, we need to stop giving legal immigrant visas to people bent on causing us harm. From the 9/11 hijackers, to the Boston Bombers, and many others, our immigration system is being used to attack us. The President of the immigration caseworkers union declared in a statement on ISIS: “We've become the visa clearinghouse for the world.”

Here are some additional specific policy proposals for long-term reform:

Increase prevailing wage for H-1Bs. We graduate two times more Americans with STEM degrees each year than find STEM jobs, yet as much as two-thirds of entry-level hiring for IT jobs is accomplished through the H-1B program. More than half of H-1B visas are issued for the program's lowest allowable wage level, and more than eighty percent for its bottom two. Raising the prevailing wage paid to H-1Bs will force companies to give these coveted entry-level jobs to the existing domestic pool of unemployed native and immigrant workers in the U.S., instead of flying in cheaper workers from overseas. This will improve the number of black, Hispanic and female workers in Silicon Valley who have been passed over in favor of the H-1B program. Mark Zuckerberg’s personal Senator, Marco Rubio, has a bill to triple H-1Bs that would decimate women and minorities.

Requirement to hire American workers first. Too many visas, like the H-1B, have no such requirement. In the year 2015, with 92 million Americans outside the workforce and incomes collapsing, we need to companies to hire from the domestic pool of unemployed. Petitions for workers should be mailed to the unemployment office, not USCIS.

End welfare abuse. Applicants for entry to the United States should be required to certify that they can pay for their own housing, healthcare and other needs before coming to the U.S.

Jobs program for inner city youth. The J-1 visa jobs program for foreign youth will be terminated and replaced with a resume bank for inner city youth provided to all corporate subscribers to the J-1 visa program.

Refugee program for American children. Increase standards for the admission of refugees and asylum-seekers to crack down on abuses. Use the monies saved on expensive refugee programs to help place American children without parents in safer homes and communities, and to improve community safety in high crime neighborhoods in the United States.

Immigration moderation. Before any new green cards are issued to foreign workers abroad, there will be a pause where employers will have to hire from the domestic pool of unemployed immigrant and native workers. This will help reverse women's plummeting workplace participation rate, grow wages, and allow record immigration levels to subside to more moderate historical averages.

Immigration Reform

Try again.

"The notion that immigration, and particularly illegal immigration, drives down wages and pushes up unemployment is a widely held belief. It also makes intuitive sense: If there are thousands of immigrants willing to work for low wages, it seems logical that native-born workers would be unable to compete.

Economic research, however, has consistently demonstrated that this simplistic framework fails to account for the full effects of immigration. Immigration increases the supply of workers, but it also increases demand for products and services. Economists on both the left and right generally agree that immigration has made the U.S. economy more productive and has benefited the average American worker, according to a University of Chicago survey of leading academics.

Benefiting the “average worker,” however, is not the same as benefiting all workers. It’s possible that immigration could benefit the economy as a whole while still hurting the less educated native-born workers who compete most directly with immigrants for jobs. Economists are divided on this question: Some research finds that immigration tends to hurt less skilled workers, while other research finds that it benefits workers across the educational spectrum. The University of Chicago survey found that a narrow majority of economists believed that immigration of low-skilled workers can negatively affect less educated native workers.

This much, however, is clear: The “influx of foreign workers” that Trump talks about has ebbed in recent years. After rising rapidly in the 1980s through 2000s, the growth of the U.S. immigrant population slowed dramatically during the recession, as the lack of jobs made the U.S. a less attractive destination for foreign workers. The Census Bureau expects immigration to start picking up again now that the economy is improving, but the aggregate growth of the foreign-born population remains far below prerecession projections.

“Requirement to hire American workers first. Too many visas, like the H-1B, have no such requirement. In the year 2015, with 92 million Americans outside the workforce and incomes collapsing, we need to [require] companies to hire from the domestic pool of unemployed.”

The H-1B guest-worker program is meant to help companies hire foreign workers in “specialty occupations” that can be hard to fill with qualified Americans. But critics on both the left and the right argue that the program is rife with abuse and that companies use it as a back-door way to pay lower wages.

It’s a serious stretch, however, to connect H-1B abuse to the broader trends of falling labor force participation and stagnant wages. For one thing, incomes aren’t rising as quickly as economists would like, but they’re hardly “collapsing” — wages are rising at a rate of about 2 percent per year, and inflation-adjusted household incomes have been basically flat since the recession ended. The “92 million Americans outside the workforce,” meanwhile, are mostly retired, in school or raising children. Declining participation in the labor force is a worrying trend, but not one that has much to do with immigration — indeed, immigrants have, on average, a higher participation rate than native-born workers." Everything* Donald Trump’s Immigration Plan Gets Wrong

 

[Disir]

Because a libertarian says so? No.
Intel Advocates For More H1B Visas; Lays Off American Workers

Sawade is active in the labor organization WashTech, so he gets complaints from IT workers around the country. The H-1B consultancies are especially big in banking, insurance and pretty much any industry that runs on big computer systems maintained by aging, increasingly expensive American tech workers.

He laughs at the notion that a cost-cutting insurance company somewhere is in dire need of hotshot foreign programmers with specialized skills. Because the businesses require current employees to train the new hires from India, he says.

"And maybe the people from India aren't necessarily there to replace them — at least not right away. They're just learning the job," Sawade says.

Learning the job, he says, so the consulting firm can eventually provide the same service from somewhere cheaper.

What H-1B Employers Say

NPR repeatedly tried to interview the biggest H-1B users, but none agreed to talk. We were able to reach Dean Garfield, head of the Information Technology Industry Council, which counts Cognizant among its members.

"Some of the companies are companies — yes — that are providing services that bring greater efficiencies to businesses. But what's wrong with that?" Garfield says.

He rejects the notion that Cognizant is using foreign tech workers to undercut Americans. He points out that H-1B workers are supposed to be paid "prevailing wages."

In practice, though, that rule is rarely enforced. In a 2011 report, the U.S. Government Accountability Office said worker protections are "weakened by several factors" and that oversight is "cursory."

Garfield acknowledges the system isn't perfect.

"The main, legitimate criticism right now — which is one we would level as well — is that the accountability mechanisms are not fully integrated and not seamless. It's more a 'check the box,' " he says.
Who's Hiring H-1B Visa Workers? It's Not Who You Might Think

Donald Trump's proposal on H-1B visas is bad news for Indian workers - The Times of India

Watson says the number of applicants is proof that Congress needs to act.

Proposed bills like I-Squared Act would lift the quota to 195,000 visas annually. There is also a proposed bill for a Startup Visa. If passed, this would transfer foreign entrepreneurs currently in the H-1B pool into a separate category.

In the meantime, states like Massachusetts and Colorado have introduced programs to help applicants get around the H-1B cap.

"Businesses really need to fill positions," said Watson, "... and people will not be able to get their dream jobs."
Who's Hiring H-1B Visa Workers? It's Not Who You Might Think

You support lowering wages for American workers.
The Tech Worker Shortage Doesn't Really Exist - Businessweek

By all means that would mean having to deal with people like Bill Gates. Then you might have to pay attention to what is being sold in the education department. Don't want that to happen.

 

[S.J.]

This thread, like all the other Trump bashing threads, wreaks of desperation. Nobody gives a shit what his father thought or did, and for a party who swears they want Trump to be the nominee, you liberal sycophants sure are struggling (fruitlessly) to keep him from getting it.

When did you determine that someones father has no bearing on who he is? Was it after this?

Obama's doing the best he can to destroy this country like he promised he would. As far as I can tell he has not rested a single day from doing his best to exact revenge on America for his father, mother, and billions of others around the world. Give the guy a break, he's doing what he said he'd do, what he was voted in to do. Why should we expect anything else from him?

Exactly. It's all what you consider to be good. If destroying everything America stands for is what one would consider good, then Obama is the best. That's why all the America haters on this board love him so much.

Or Before?

S.J., the foot in mouth liar, strikes again!

Please post a quote of me saying that. Then you can take your foot out of your mouth.

 

[S.J.]

s.j. left tee hee

How old did you say you were again?

 

[ClosedCaption]

This thread, like all the other Trump bashing threads, wreaks of desperation. Nobody gives a shit what his father thought or did, and for a party who swears they want Trump to be the nominee, you liberal sycophants sure are struggling (fruitlessly) to keep him from getting it.

When did you determine that someones father has no bearing on who he is? Was it after this?

Obama's doing the best he can to destroy this country like he promised he would. As far as I can tell he has not rested a single day from doing his best to exact revenge on America for his father, mother, and billions of others around the world. Give the guy a break, he's doing what he said he'd do, what he was voted in to do. Why should we expect anything else from him?

Exactly. It's all what you consider to be good. If destroying everything America stands for is what one would consider good, then Obama is the best. That's why all the America haters on this board love him so much.

Or Before?

S.J., the foot in mouth liar, strikes again!

Please post a quote of me saying that. Then you can take your foot out of your mouth.

I just did and you cant deny it. So when did you determine someone's dad had nothing to do with them?

Was it after you agreed with the shit head who said Obama is taking revenge for his dad? Or before that?