Donald Trump and his Manufactured Immigration Crisis.

[MisterBeale]

How US Policy in Honduras Set the Stage for Today’s Mass Migration
How US Policy in Honduras Set the Stage for Today’s Mass Migration

Post-coup Honduras

U.S. Marines in Honduras in July 2016. (Wikimedia Commons)

"The 2009 coup, more than any other development, explains the increase in Honduran migration across the southern U.S. border in the last few years. The Obama administration played an important role in these developments. Although it officially decried Zelaya’s ouster, it equivocated on whether or not it constituted a coup, which would have required the U.S. to stop sending most aid to the country.


Then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, in particular, sent conflicting messages, and worked to ensure that Zelaya did not return to power. This was contrary to the wishes of the Organization of American States, the leading hemispheric political forum composed of the 35 member-countries of the Americas, including the Caribbean. Several months after the coup, Clinton supported a highly questionable election aimed at legitimating the post-coup government.


Strong military ties between the U.S. and Honduras persist: several hundred U.S. troops are stationed at Soto Cano Air Base (formerly Palmerola) in the name of fighting the drug war and providing humanitarian aid.


Since the coup, writes historian Dana Frank, “a series of corrupt administrations has unleashed open criminal control of Honduras, from top to bottom of the government.”


Organized crime, drug traffickers and the country’s police heavily overlap. Impunity reigns in a country with frequent politically-motivated killings. It is the world’s most dangerous country for environmental activists, according to Global Witness, an international nongovernmental organization.


Although its once sky-high murder rate has declined, the continuing exodus of many youth demonstrates that violent gangs still plague urban neighborhoods."


Thanks Hillary. . . .

I was there in early 1996 evaluating Army Reserve and National Guard units. They were building roads though the mountains, schools, day care centers, drilling water wells, conducting health clinics and more. The US has put billions in that country and have nothing to show for it.


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DDDUUUUHHHHH-EEEEERRRRPPPPP DERP DERP

take the purchasing power of 15 million people out of the economy and see if that shows.

 

[OKTexas]

How US Policy in Honduras Set the Stage for Today’s Mass Migration
How US Policy in Honduras Set the Stage for Today’s Mass Migration

Post-coup Honduras

U.S. Marines in Honduras in July 2016. (Wikimedia Commons)

"The 2009 coup, more than any other development, explains the increase in Honduran migration across the southern U.S. border in the last few years. The Obama administration played an important role in these developments. Although it officially decried Zelaya’s ouster, it equivocated on whether or not it constituted a coup, which would have required the U.S. to stop sending most aid to the country.


Then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, in particular, sent conflicting messages, and worked to ensure that Zelaya did not return to power. This was contrary to the wishes of the Organization of American States, the leading hemispheric political forum composed of the 35 member-countries of the Americas, including the Caribbean. Several months after the coup, Clinton supported a highly questionable election aimed at legitimating the post-coup government.


Strong military ties between the U.S. and Honduras persist: several hundred U.S. troops are stationed at Soto Cano Air Base (formerly Palmerola) in the name of fighting the drug war and providing humanitarian aid.


Since the coup, writes historian Dana Frank, “a series of corrupt administrations has unleashed open criminal control of Honduras, from top to bottom of the government.”


Organized crime, drug traffickers and the country’s police heavily overlap. Impunity reigns in a country with frequent politically-motivated killings. It is the world’s most dangerous country for environmental activists, according to Global Witness, an international nongovernmental organization.


Although its once sky-high murder rate has declined, the continuing exodus of many youth demonstrates that violent gangs still plague urban neighborhoods."


Thanks Hillary. . . .

I was there in early 1996 evaluating Army Reserve and National Guard units. They were building roads though the mountains, schools, day care centers, drilling water wells, conducting health clinics and more. The US has put billions in that country and have nothing to show for it.


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DDDUUUUHHHHH-EEEEERRRRPPPPP DERP DERP

take the purchasing power of 15 million people out of the economy and see if that shows.

I don't know what you're talking about, we are talking about Honduras.

If you're talking about 15 million illegals in the US then you're delusional, the numbers are probably closer to 40 million.


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[Coyote]

Did you actuallyuslly read the article on why it is complicated?

It isn't that complicated. In fact, it's text book. So, for WaPo to dumb it down is insulting as hell. Complicated here means........it's too hard for you to understand.

Coyote, they are not pets. The time to redirect foreign policy was under the Obama administration. That didn't happen. At any given time the Democratic Party had the opportunity to address the impact of immigration: legal/illegal/H1B. They chose not to.

Actually...though pathestically late, they tried. But with zero support from the Republicans who absolutely refused to support any initiatives. And now the situation is reversed. No one is willing to do what it takes to craft a real immigration bill - not that Trump would sign it anyway.

No. The reality is that Obama and Clinton supported neoliberal policies. Fact. When we discuss a "real immigration bill" then we are talking about amnesty-and most of the American public is aware of this.........because we did it before. And before that too.

What do we need in a real immigration bill?

IMO
DACA
Border security
Rapid deportation of criminals
Changes in the VISA programs - increased numbers based on merit, decrease what constitutes family but maintain those VISAs (studies show that immigrants who have family sponsoring them and helping them through the process are more successful), maintain the VISA lottery which for some reason has become the target. It's a small number, it adds diversity and there is value in that, and of the winners few are actually able to come.
Hire many more immigration judges - waiting for hearings should not drag on for weeks. If the maximum you can hold a minor is 20 days (almost 3 weeks) then that should be the standard by which they get a hearing and are either granted asylum or deported.
Consider increasing work visa's for certain types of labor where there aren't American's willing to do the work.
Speed up the process for legal immigrants - why does it take so long for those who are obeying our laws?

IWO, pretty much everything Trump wants to do, (except the sticking point might be chain migration.)

He wants rapid deportation of all, and no hearings, hugely restricting asylum and legal immigration and HB1 visas, and putting up a wall, none of which I agree with.

 

[Disir]

You gotta love a piece that uses stats from the CATO institute that any other time liberals would kick to the curb; however, when it says what we want it to say then we eat it up. Additionally, the massive summary of the literature that discusses their ability to speak English and their levels of education claims that it's complicated. It isn't that complicated. Great job trying to dumb it down. It depends on what country they are coming from in large part.



That's both disappointing and borderline disgusting.

Did you actuallyuslly read the article on why it is complicated?

It isn't that complicated. In fact, it's text book. So, for WaPo to dumb it down is insulting as hell. Complicated here means........it's too hard for you to understand.

Coyote, they are not pets. The time to redirect foreign policy was under the Obama administration. That didn't happen. At any given time the Democratic Party had the opportunity to address the impact of immigration: legal/illegal/H1B. They chose not to.

Actually...though pathestically late, they tried. But with zero support from the Republicans who absolutely refused to support any initiatives. And now the situation is reversed. No one is willing to do what it takes to craft a real immigration bill - not that Trump would sign it anyway.

No. The reality is that Obama and Clinton supported neoliberal policies. Fact. When we discuss a "real immigration bill" then we are talking about amnesty-and most of the American public is aware of this.........because we did it before. And before that too.

What do we need in a real immigration bill?

IMO
DACA
Border security
Rapid deportation of criminals
Changes in the VISA programs - increased numbers based on merit, decrease what constitutes family but maintain those VISAs (studies show that immigrants who have family sponsoring them and helping them through the process are more successful), maintain the VISA lottery which for some reason has become the target. It's a small number, it adds diversity and there is value in that, and of the winners few are actually able to come.
Hire many more immigration judges - waiting for hearings should not drag on for weeks. If the maximum you can hold a minor is 20 days (almost 3 weeks) then that should be the standard by which they get a hearing and are either granted asylum or deported.
Consider increasing work visa's for certain types of labor where there aren't American's willing to do the work.
Speed up the process for legal immigrants - why does it take so long for those who are obeying our laws?

No DACA. Did you enlist in the military? You stay. Were you a translator for the military? You stay. Anyone else? You go.

For 20 years.

We have diversity.

We have visas for jobs where American's aren't wiling to do the work. It's seasonal and the farmers simply want to circumvent it. They don't want to pay. Some 20 years ago there was a massive influx of people from the Eastern Bloc into Florida. Thus displacing our own low skilled workers. Destroy IT? Yep. Working on destroying nursing? Yep. The goals never change.

We need another 100 immigration judges. That said, consider the fact that our courts in the US need to have their funding restored. It is shit like this that pisses people off because, frankly, it puts our people's rights second.

Children should be released only to their guardians or to the nation-states they came from. No? Detention it is.

Edited for: The same problems that exist with our populations now (1st, 2nd, 3rd generations) have existed since before Ellis Island. Sponsoring, my ass.

 

[Kondor3]

Trump has not manufactured an 'immigration crisis'.

Trump is reacting to an Invasion of 11-12,000,000 Illegal Aliens present upon United States soil without our express prior consent.

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Libs-Progs-Dems continue to delude themselves about this basic lesson from the outcome of November 8, 2016.

The American People were soooo goddamned sick-and-tired of them standing alongside Illegal Aliens that Trump actually won the election.

In that context, I actually blame Libs-Progs-Dems for Trump.

You dumb bastards didn't leave the rest of us any choice in the matter; it was that or continue being overrun by Beaners.

I voted for Shrillary myself, but I was sorely tempted to vote for Trump because of Dem stupidity over Illegal Aliens.

Consequently, I understand why a great many friends and relatives voted for The Creature... I almost bit on the hook myself.

The way back to political power for Democrats is to abandon their insane stance alongside Illegal Aliens rather than their own countrymen.

It's that, or force Whites to continue drifting towards a monolithic bloc vote, the same way Blacks and Hispanics already do.

Latinos are 16% of the population... Blacks are 12%... the rest are White, with a handful of Asians et al tossed into the mix.

Once you reach a tipping point with Whites in this country, forcing enough of them across the aisle, your Party is doomed.

America needs two strong parties... permanently weakening your Party would be a great misfortune for the Republic.

Stop driving them into the arms of the Opposition, you goddamned idiots.

 

[MisterBeale]

It isn't that complicated. In fact, it's text book. So, for WaPo to dumb it down is insulting as hell. Complicated here means........it's too hard for you to understand.

Coyote, they are not pets. The time to redirect foreign policy was under the Obama administration. That didn't happen. At any given time the Democratic Party had the opportunity to address the impact of immigration: legal/illegal/H1B. They chose not to.

Actually...though pathestically late, they tried. But with zero support from the Republicans who absolutely refused to support any initiatives. And now the situation is reversed. No one is willing to do what it takes to craft a real immigration bill - not that Trump would sign it anyway.

No. The reality is that Obama and Clinton supported neoliberal policies. Fact. When we discuss a "real immigration bill" then we are talking about amnesty-and most of the American public is aware of this.........because we did it before. And before that too.

What do we need in a real immigration bill?

IMO
DACA
Border security
Rapid deportation of criminals
Changes in the VISA programs - increased numbers based on merit, decrease what constitutes family but maintain those VISAs (studies show that immigrants who have family sponsoring them and helping them through the process are more successful), maintain the VISA lottery which for some reason has become the target. It's a small number, it adds diversity and there is value in that, and of the winners few are actually able to come.
Hire many more immigration judges - waiting for hearings should not drag on for weeks. If the maximum you can hold a minor is 20 days (almost 3 weeks) then that should be the standard by which they get a hearing and are either granted asylum or deported.
Consider increasing work visa's for certain types of labor where there aren't American's willing to do the work.
Speed up the process for legal immigrants - why does it take so long for those who are obeying our laws?

IWO, pretty much everything Trump wants to do, (except the sticking point might be chain migration.)

He wants rapid deportation of all, and no hearings, hugely restricting asylum and legal immigration and HB1 visas, and putting up a wall, none of which I agree with.

So you clearly didn't read the executive order, for that is just a lie.

Full text: Trump’s executive order ending family separations

Asylum procedures and legal immigration have not been affected.

He was willing to compromise, but no compromise was given.

 

[Coyote]

Actually...though pathestically late, they tried. But with zero support from the Republicans who absolutely refused to support any initiatives. And now the situation is reversed. No one is willing to do what it takes to craft a real immigration bill - not that Trump would sign it anyway.

No. The reality is that Obama and Clinton supported neoliberal policies. Fact. When we discuss a "real immigration bill" then we are talking about amnesty-and most of the American public is aware of this.........because we did it before. And before that too.

What do we need in a real immigration bill?

IMO
DACA
Border security
Rapid deportation of criminals
Changes in the VISA programs - increased numbers based on merit, decrease what constitutes family but maintain those VISAs (studies show that immigrants who have family sponsoring them and helping them through the process are more successful), maintain the VISA lottery which for some reason has become the target. It's a small number, it adds diversity and there is value in that, and of the winners few are actually able to come.
Hire many more immigration judges - waiting for hearings should not drag on for weeks. If the maximum you can hold a minor is 20 days (almost 3 weeks) then that should be the standard by which they get a hearing and are either granted asylum or deported.
Consider increasing work visa's for certain types of labor where there aren't American's willing to do the work.
Speed up the process for legal immigrants - why does it take so long for those who are obeying our laws?

IWO, pretty much everything Trump wants to do, (except the sticking point might be chain migration.)

He wants rapid deportation of all, and no hearings, hugely restricting asylum and legal immigration and HB1 visas, and putting up a wall, none of which I agree with.

So you clearly didn't read the executive order, for that is just a lie.

Full text: Trump’s executive order ending family separations

Asylum procedures and legal immigration have not been affected.

He was willing to compromise, but no compromise was given.

The executive order is not the bill. If he is willing to compromise why did he reneg on his deal with Shumer that gave the funding for his wall?

 

[MisterBeale]

No. The reality is that Obama and Clinton supported neoliberal policies. Fact. When we discuss a "real immigration bill" then we are talking about amnesty-and most of the American public is aware of this.........because we did it before. And before that too.

What do we need in a real immigration bill?

IMO
DACA
Border security
Rapid deportation of criminals
Changes in the VISA programs - increased numbers based on merit, decrease what constitutes family but maintain those VISAs (studies show that immigrants who have family sponsoring them and helping them through the process are more successful), maintain the VISA lottery which for some reason has become the target. It's a small number, it adds diversity and there is value in that, and of the winners few are actually able to come.
Hire many more immigration judges - waiting for hearings should not drag on for weeks. If the maximum you can hold a minor is 20 days (almost 3 weeks) then that should be the standard by which they get a hearing and are either granted asylum or deported.
Consider increasing work visa's for certain types of labor where there aren't American's willing to do the work.
Speed up the process for legal immigrants - why does it take so long for those who are obeying our laws?

IWO, pretty much everything Trump wants to do, (except the sticking point might be chain migration.)

He wants rapid deportation of all, and no hearings, hugely restricting asylum and legal immigration and HB1 visas, and putting up a wall, none of which I agree with.

So you clearly didn't read the executive order, for that is just a lie.

Full text: Trump’s executive order ending family separations

Asylum procedures and legal immigration have not been affected.

He was willing to compromise, but no compromise was given.

The executive order is not the bill. If he is willing to compromise why did he reneg on his deal with Shumer that gave the funding for his wall?

I don't think either of us have access to the details of the negotiations, so neither of us can intelligently answer that question, could we.

One could only guess that the terms of the negotiations were not favorable to his constituents. With the corporate press so rabidly anti-administration, free thinking on this issue is difficult. It is easy to condemn the administration and fall for fallacy of appeal to emotion, I will grant you that. But I really do think, now more than ever, the nation has a chance to solve this problem.


Answer me honestly, do you support "Open Borders?"

I don't think you do.

What you listed is much closer to Trumps position than it is to either the establishment RNC or DNC position than you will admit to yourself.

That, is the simple truth you have yet to admit to yourself.

 

[Coyote]

What do we need in a real immigration bill?

IMO
DACA
Border security
Rapid deportation of criminals
Changes in the VISA programs - increased numbers based on merit, decrease what constitutes family but maintain those VISAs (studies show that immigrants who have family sponsoring them and helping them through the process are more successful), maintain the VISA lottery which for some reason has become the target. It's a small number, it adds diversity and there is value in that, and of the winners few are actually able to come.
Hire many more immigration judges - waiting for hearings should not drag on for weeks. If the maximum you can hold a minor is 20 days (almost 3 weeks) then that should be the standard by which they get a hearing and are either granted asylum or deported.
Consider increasing work visa's for certain types of labor where there aren't American's willing to do the work.
Speed up the process for legal immigrants - why does it take so long for those who are obeying our laws?

IWO, pretty much everything Trump wants to do, (except the sticking point might be chain migration.)

He wants rapid deportation of all, and no hearings, hugely restricting asylum and legal immigration and HB1 visas, and putting up a wall, none of which I agree with.

So you clearly didn't read the executive order, for that is just a lie.

Full text: Trump’s executive order ending family separations

Asylum procedures and legal immigration have not been affected.

He was willing to compromise, but no compromise was given.

The executive order is not the bill. If he is willing to compromise why did he reneg on his deal with Shumer that gave the funding for his wall?

I don't think either of us have access to the details of the negotiations, so neither of us can intelligently answer that question, could we.

One could only guess that the terms of the negotiations were not favorable to his constituents. With the corporate press so rabidly anti-administration, free thinking on this issue is difficult. It is easy to condemn the administration and fall for fallacy of appeal to emotion, I will grant you that. But I really do think, now more than ever, the nation has a chance to solve this problem.


Answer me honestly, do you support "Open Borders?"

I don't think you do.

What you listed is much closer to Trumps position than it is to either the establishment RNC or DNC position than you will admit to yourself.

That, is the simple truth you have yet to admit to yourself.

I dont support open borders but i do support diversity in immigration and humane policies such as DACA and not seoerating families. We are better than that.

 

[WaitingFor2020]

Donald Trump's signature campaign issue was immigration. He fired up his supporters, creating images of ravening hordes of Mexican invaders raping our women and killing our children. He never lets us forget that those countries "don't send us the best they send us their worst". Be afraid. They're destroying America according to Donald Trump.

What happens if there is no immigration crisis? What happens if border apprehensions are at a 46 year LOW? What does a man like Trump do? He creates a crisis as a vehicle to implement some pretty horrific policies, to beat the nationalist drums, and unite us in fear that "the other" is going to take over decent hardworking white Americans.

And the horrible thing is - he is pretty damn successful at it. Enough so that we ignore the reality in favor of Trump World. We ignore working together on a much needed SANE and SUBSTANTIAL immigration overhaul in favor of a crisis management approach to immigration based on hordes that simply aren't there and myths that are blatently untrue.

Analysis | There’s no immigration crisis, and these charts prove it

Myth No. 1: Undocumented immigrants are flooding into the United States

In fiscal 2017, apprehensions of immigrants entering illegally at the Southwest border (a proxy for the total number of individuals crossing the border illegally) hit their lowest level in 46 years.

Myth No. 2: Undocumented immigrants bring crime

The reality is just the opposite: A large body of social-science literature has demonstrated that immigrants, legal or otherwise, commit crime at lower rates than native-born Americans. This chart, using Texas Department of Public Safety data compiled by the libertarian Cato Institute, illustrates this quite clearly.

Myth No. 3: Immigrants take our jobs and lower our wages

This is a more complicated question than the previous two. The best information comes from a massive summary of the literature published by the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine (NASEM) in 2017. “Most studies find little effect of immigration on the employment of natives,” that report concluded. In other words, no, immigrants are not taking your jobs.

Myth No. 4: Immigrants are a drain on the economy

In fact, research by the Cato Institute has found that poor noncitizens are considerably less likely than poor native-born Americans to use public assistance programs.​

Shut up. Everything you say here is akin to flat Earthers and the Moon landing hoaxers. There isn't any point in arguing with you. Every single one of your 4 points is deeply flawed and without balance. So, go ahead have a merry unbirthday and say hello to the mad hatter.

You should either put up or shut up.
Show data to refute her, point by point, or shut up.
Jesus, Trumpanzees are so fucking lazy.

 

[WaitingFor2020]

IWO, pretty much everything Trump wants to do, (except the sticking point might be chain migration.)

He wants rapid deportation of all, and no hearings, hugely restricting asylum and legal immigration and HB1 visas, and putting up a wall, none of which I agree with.

So you clearly didn't read the executive order, for that is just a lie.

Full text: Trump’s executive order ending family separations

Asylum procedures and legal immigration have not been affected.

He was willing to compromise, but no compromise was given.

The executive order is not the bill. If he is willing to compromise why did he reneg on his deal with Shumer that gave the funding for his wall?

I don't think either of us have access to the details of the negotiations, so neither of us can intelligently answer that question, could we.

One could only guess that the terms of the negotiations were not favorable to his constituents. With the corporate press so rabidly anti-administration, free thinking on this issue is difficult. It is easy to condemn the administration and fall for fallacy of appeal to emotion, I will grant you that. But I really do think, now more than ever, the nation has a chance to solve this problem.


Answer me honestly, do you support "Open Borders?"

I don't think you do.

What you listed is much closer to Trumps position than it is to either the establishment RNC or DNC position than you will admit to yourself.

That, is the simple truth you have yet to admit to yourself.

I dont support open borders but i do support diversity in immigration and humane policies such as DACA and not seoerating families. We are better than that.

We are. We were. Trump is hell bent on becoming a despot and the irony is that he's so ignorant he probably would think I was saying he wants to be a "depot" since he spells coverage "covfefe".

 

[Coyote]

I do not think I am that close to Trump in immigration.

Hw wants to curtail legal immigration. I do not.

He wants to deport people who came here under temporary protected status even the their countries are still in horrendous shape. I do not.

He wants to seperate families. I do not.

We has no problem warehousing thousands of mids removed from their parents on top of all the unaccompanied minors already in custody. I do.

He wants a wall, I dont.

He wants end diversity visa program. I dont.

I want DACA...I dont think he dies or he would have done something by now.

Some things we agree on, mainly enforcement at the border, speedier processing of all illegal border crossers and deportation of violent criminals. Also increasing merit based immigration. However no one seems to be addressing the bottleneck on legal immigration.

 

[Siete]

How US Policy in Honduras Set the Stage for Today’s Mass Migration
How US Policy in Honduras Set the Stage for Today’s Mass Migration

Post-coup Honduras

U.S. Marines in Honduras in July 2016. (Wikimedia Commons)

"The 2009 coup, more than any other development, explains the increase in Honduran migration across the southern U.S. border in the last few years. The Obama administration played an important role in these developments. Although it officially decried Zelaya’s ouster, it equivocated on whether or not it constituted a coup, which would have required the U.S. to stop sending most aid to the country.


Then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, in particular, sent conflicting messages, and worked to ensure that Zelaya did not return to power. This was contrary to the wishes of the Organization of American States, the leading hemispheric political forum composed of the 35 member-countries of the Americas, including the Caribbean. Several months after the coup, Clinton supported a highly questionable election aimed at legitimating the post-coup government.


Strong military ties between the U.S. and Honduras persist: several hundred U.S. troops are stationed at Soto Cano Air Base (formerly Palmerola) in the name of fighting the drug war and providing humanitarian aid.


Since the coup, writes historian Dana Frank, “a series of corrupt administrations has unleashed open criminal control of Honduras, from top to bottom of the government.”


Organized crime, drug traffickers and the country’s police heavily overlap. Impunity reigns in a country with frequent politically-motivated killings. It is the world’s most dangerous country for environmental activists, according to Global Witness, an international nongovernmental organization.


Although its once sky-high murder rate has declined, the continuing exodus of many youth demonstrates that violent gangs still plague urban neighborhoods."


Thanks Hillary. . . .

I was there in early 1996 evaluating Army Reserve and National Guard units. They were building roads though the mountains, schools, day care centers, drilling water wells, conducting health clinics and more. The US has put billions in that country and have nothing to show for it.


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DDDUUUUHHHHH-EEEEERRRRPPPPP DERP DERP

take the purchasing power of 15 million people out of the economy and see if that shows.

I don't know what you're talking about, we are talking about Honduras.

If you're talking about 15 million illegals in the US then you're delusional, the numbers are probably closer to 40 million.


.

trump wants immigrants out, no matter where they're from

 

[MisterBeale]

I do not think I am that close to Trump in immigration.

Hw wants to curtail legal immigration. I do not.

He wants to deport people who came here under temporary protected status even the their countries are still in horrendous shape. I do not.

He wants to seperate families. I do not.

We has no problem warehousing thousands of mids removed from their parents on top of all the unaccompanied minors already in custody. I do.

He wants a wall, I dont.

He wants end diversity visa program. I dont.

I want DACA...I dont think he dies or he would have done something by now.

Some things we agree on, mainly enforcement at the border, speedier processing of all illegal border crossers and deportation of violent criminals. Also increasing merit based immigration. However no one seems to be addressing the bottleneck on legal immigration.

You are being a hypocrit.

I posted his executive order which ends all the things you are complaining about.

You bitch and complain and say, "oh, that is just an EO though."

And yet you support DACA?

What the hell?

I don't really think you understand the difference between diversity and multiculturalism. One is good for the nation, the other will spell it's doom.

 

[OKTexas]

How US Policy in Honduras Set the Stage for Today’s Mass Migration
How US Policy in Honduras Set the Stage for Today’s Mass Migration

Post-coup Honduras

U.S. Marines in Honduras in July 2016. (Wikimedia Commons)

"The 2009 coup, more than any other development, explains the increase in Honduran migration across the southern U.S. border in the last few years. The Obama administration played an important role in these developments. Although it officially decried Zelaya’s ouster, it equivocated on whether or not it constituted a coup, which would have required the U.S. to stop sending most aid to the country.


Then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, in particular, sent conflicting messages, and worked to ensure that Zelaya did not return to power. This was contrary to the wishes of the Organization of American States, the leading hemispheric political forum composed of the 35 member-countries of the Americas, including the Caribbean. Several months after the coup, Clinton supported a highly questionable election aimed at legitimating the post-coup government.


Strong military ties between the U.S. and Honduras persist: several hundred U.S. troops are stationed at Soto Cano Air Base (formerly Palmerola) in the name of fighting the drug war and providing humanitarian aid.


Since the coup, writes historian Dana Frank, “a series of corrupt administrations has unleashed open criminal control of Honduras, from top to bottom of the government.”


Organized crime, drug traffickers and the country’s police heavily overlap. Impunity reigns in a country with frequent politically-motivated killings. It is the world’s most dangerous country for environmental activists, according to Global Witness, an international nongovernmental organization.


Although its once sky-high murder rate has declined, the continuing exodus of many youth demonstrates that violent gangs still plague urban neighborhoods."


Thanks Hillary. . . .

I was there in early 1996 evaluating Army Reserve and National Guard units. They were building roads though the mountains, schools, day care centers, drilling water wells, conducting health clinics and more. The US has put billions in that country and have nothing to show for it.


.

DDDUUUUHHHHH-EEEEERRRRPPPPP DERP DERP

take the purchasing power of 15 million people out of the economy and see if that shows.

I don't know what you're talking about, we are talking about Honduras.

If you're talking about 15 million illegals in the US then you're delusional, the numbers are probably closer to 40 million.


.

trump wants immigrants out, no matter where they're from

No, Trump wants illegal aliens out, I do too.


.

 

[Siete]

How US Policy in Honduras Set the Stage for Today’s Mass Migration
How US Policy in Honduras Set the Stage for Today’s Mass Migration

Post-coup Honduras

U.S. Marines in Honduras in July 2016. (Wikimedia Commons)

"The 2009 coup, more than any other development, explains the increase in Honduran migration across the southern U.S. border in the last few years. The Obama administration played an important role in these developments. Although it officially decried Zelaya’s ouster, it equivocated on whether or not it constituted a coup, which would have required the U.S. to stop sending most aid to the country.


Then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, in particular, sent conflicting messages, and worked to ensure that Zelaya did not return to power. This was contrary to the wishes of the Organization of American States, the leading hemispheric political forum composed of the 35 member-countries of the Americas, including the Caribbean. Several months after the coup, Clinton supported a highly questionable election aimed at legitimating the post-coup government.


Strong military ties between the U.S. and Honduras persist: several hundred U.S. troops are stationed at Soto Cano Air Base (formerly Palmerola) in the name of fighting the drug war and providing humanitarian aid.


Since the coup, writes historian Dana Frank, “a series of corrupt administrations has unleashed open criminal control of Honduras, from top to bottom of the government.”


Organized crime, drug traffickers and the country’s police heavily overlap. Impunity reigns in a country with frequent politically-motivated killings. It is the world’s most dangerous country for environmental activists, according to Global Witness, an international nongovernmental organization.


Although its once sky-high murder rate has declined, the continuing exodus of many youth demonstrates that violent gangs still plague urban neighborhoods."


Thanks Hillary. . . .

I was there in early 1996 evaluating Army Reserve and National Guard units. They were building roads though the mountains, schools, day care centers, drilling water wells, conducting health clinics and more. The US has put billions in that country and have nothing to show for it.


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DDDUUUUHHHHH-EEEEERRRRPPPPP DERP DERP

take the purchasing power of 15 million people out of the economy and see if that shows.

I don't know what you're talking about, we are talking about Honduras.

If you're talking about 15 million illegals in the US then you're delusional, the numbers are probably closer to 40 million.


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trump wants immigrants out, no matter where they're from

No, Trump wants illegal aliens out, I do too.


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why - too much job competition ?

 

[OKTexas]

I was there in early 1996 evaluating Army Reserve and National Guard units. They were building roads though the mountains, schools, day care centers, drilling water wells, conducting health clinics and more. The US has put billions in that country and have nothing to show for it.


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DDDUUUUHHHHH-EEEEERRRRPPPPP DERP DERP

take the purchasing power of 15 million people out of the economy and see if that shows.

I don't know what you're talking about, we are talking about Honduras.

If you're talking about 15 million illegals in the US then you're delusional, the numbers are probably closer to 40 million.


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trump wants immigrants out, no matter where they're from

No, Trump wants illegal aliens out, I do too.


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why - too much job competition ?

Nope, we are a nation of laws or we're not. The law says they got to go.


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[MisterBeale]