Does Bush care about Outsourcing?

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    Why doesn't he address the issue? GOP is so concerned with Gay marriage and gay sex, they could care less if our jobs are off to Pakistan and India. The lower classes are slipping more and more into poverty and the big issue is Kerry's Vietnam record. So out of touch with reality. I just don't get conservatives, I never will.
     
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    I don't know who you're preaching to, but I assume it's yourself.

    For the millionth time, Kerry is the one that made Vietnam the face of his campaign. If he doesn't want people talking about Vietnam, he needs to stop beginning 95% of his sentences with something about Vietnam or his service. He's been throwing it in everyones face for longer then he was even there.

    As for outsourcing, write Kerry's wife and ask her about Heinz outsourcing. See if she cares.
     
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    Businesses are operating under the current laws. Do you expect Bush to change them? Are you aware other countries outsource to the US and use our labor force? Perhaps you should be talking to your congressman.
     
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    Outsourcing HELPS the economy. As Bush said, the economy has changed and Americans need to change with it.

    If a company employs 1,000 people and has to decide to either 1) outsource 25% of their jobs to overseas or 2) close down all together, sure, 250 folks are out of work, but 750 are not.

    Which way would you rather have it?

    And for the last fucking time, many of the jobs created in the 90's and lost in 01 and 02 were lost not only due to 9-11 but due to corporate corruption. The corporations cooked their books in the 90's and hired a LOT of people at bloated salaries. When the bubble burst and those companies went out of business or laid off 10's of thousands in an effort not to go BK, the bubble jobs went boom too. The jobs of the 90's were FALSE jobs that NEVER had a chance of surviving a correction in the market.

    If you want to blame anybody, blame Clinton for letting the economy run rampant and out of control.
     
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    Excellent point. I know a LOT of Americans working for Korean, Japanese and European companies here in America. Nokia, Ericsson, Samsung, Sony, etc. all employ 10's of thousands of American workers.

    We come to view name brands such as those mentioned above as being US when they are actually foreign companies. The uninformed left must think that Nokia, Sony, etc. are US companies.....
     
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    Um, we are out of touch with reality? Did you bother to listen to the Presidents acceptance speech the other night? He had far more in it about outsourcing and qualifying americans for good jobs then he did about gay marriage.

    Besides, consumers benefit from outsourcing so i dont see the problem. we still have one of the lowest unemployment rates in history and we easily employ more workers than most of the rest of the world. Yet "outsourcing" is a problem. What? is it only Americans who are allowed to work? so people in third world contries arent allowed to work hard for what companies are willing to pay them and try to better themselves?
     
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    Why do you guys want to vote away our economic well being? Your economic ideas do not work. You think they do, but they don't. The proof is in the results. Time and time again, Conservative leaders have successfully led us into worse economic conditions then when they started. It's the definition of insanity. You beat your head against the wall insisting your way is better and its consistently not.
     
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    I'd be interested to see the source on this.

    The fact is that outsourcing is done by corporations in order to lower labor costs and boost profits. This is because it's cheaper to employ Mexicans than Americans. This is because Mexico doesn't have the welfare state we do, or the infrastructure, and so on. Even if it did, we are a more advanced society overall, and our workers will need to command more dollars to survive. In America, you need a house and a car. In India, you can get by in a fucking hut and riding a rusty bicycle. So OF COURSE you can "bargain down" what you demand for your labor.

    But I'm not impressed by that, frankly. What this ultimately means is that working people get screwed, and CEO's make millions. But this wealth does not trickle down. It's simple disloyalty to the U.S. to put bigger profits over your neighbor's job.

    Yes, YOU as the CEO will get richer. But the worker will just be left in the dust.

    We CAN have a strong and productive economy AND be loyal Americans.
     
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    so you would be willing to pay up to 50% more for certain products?
     
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    I think the current mindset is the result of a decade of talk radio shouting into peoples' brains that Government is always bad, taxes are always bad, the government never does anything right. And history doesn't support that. America became the most powerful nation in the history of the world under Liberal leadership, liberal economics. Government has a very important role and they don't understand this. Government provides the environment for good business to flourish.
     

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