Does anyone else think the modern struggle between conservative and liberal ideology. . .

[night_son]

But how does one distinguish between the political dogma and its direct effects on our lives vis a vis good vs. evil, and, how do we remove or extract the morality or lack thereof of political philosophy and psychology from the living of our own lives and minds of our families?

Does politics affect your life to that degree? Honestly?
It does not affect mine that way. I do what I chose and expect the same of others. I am fond of the saying"keep on your side of my gate" which simply means do as you wish elsewhere and I do what I wish here.
But honestly, does politics affect your life as you say?

Yes. It does--or rather, more poignantly--the lives of younger family members and their parents' recent ordeals with the public school system. I will leave it at that.

Mind your own backyard while I mind mine and we will both get along. I agree with this philosophy up to a point, but what do we do then when government policy enables our neighbor to intrude on our backyard in protection of his rights? A move which reduces our own.

I can understand frustration with the school system. Though I can say it was frustrating in the late 90's when my kids finished as well.

Local politics also has more effect on my life but it rarely involves conservative or liberal or good or evil. Usually it is money or some issue with a pot of money in the middle.

I moved when the city I lived in started requiring me to get a permit to trim my trees.
I moved again when the town I lived in, where I served a term on town council, refused a business license for a pawn shop I wanted to open. Presently I live alone on ten acres, off grid, 16 miles to pavement , 45 miles to a town.. My closest neighbor is two miles and I own the road from there. I don't get bothered much.

We're not too many miles north of Baltimore City, and experiencing more "bleed over" outside the City limits each year. Although it is mainly confined to highway and state road corridors, north and east, there's been an increase in homeless heroine addicts occupying the many fairly deep wooded areas nearby. So in that light, I also see liberal City policies affecting our daily lives where we live and work.

What is the connection between "liberal City policies" and what you are experiencing? I put you around Havre de Grace. How does Baltimore politics affect you? What policies of Baltimore folks on the city council affect what you experience?

Incorrect.

 

[night_son]

Does anyone else think the modern struggle between conservative and liberal ideology … is a clash between good and evil?

I personally think it's a clash between idiots and idiots.

One of my favorite songs, thanks. And that is definitely one way to look at it.

 

[night_son]

. . . is a clash between good and evil?

No.

It only seems that way, when too many from both ends become myopic narcissists, completely lose their shit, and stop thinking critically.
.

On which strata of the political hierarchy do true independents base their confidence in cooler heads prevailing?

Political Psychology
Ideology (and associated ingrained parti pris)
Political Philosophy (pragmatism? perhaps existentialism?)
Sociology
Socioeconomic Theory
Statistics
Constitutional Interpretation
Level of Situational Oppression

We are all willing victims of subjection.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

. . . is a clash between good and evil?

Philosophically speaking, of course. . . .



In my opinion, philosophically, the sum total ideology of radical Leftism--excluding political or religious qualities--can be summed up best as a paradigm of evil euphemisms, each one being equally deceitful and engineered to encapsulate as means of lurid, attractive disguise, the true madness within their cores.

For example: the transgender movement. Radicalized Leftist party public relations mouthpieces would have the American people believe the transgender movement is about equality and social acceptance for all Americans. When in truth it is a two sided coin of amoral, anti-American violence against the most innocent and deletion of individual Constitutional rights.

Imagine the horror of the child who is convinced by teacher and guidance counselor or movement activist educator, that he can become a she with hormone treatment and surgery, who after said procedures now must live with a mutilated body as he ages into the realization of the terrible things done to him.

On the coin's other side, think of the woman who after working out in public at the Gym retires to its women's locker room to shower and change, only to have a biological man, pretending to be a woman in all its muscular superiority, barge in and get naked before her eyes. The euphemism for equality, civil rights and acceptance is, in fact, a euphemism for legal butchery of biological sexual identity, and removal of right and expectance of privacy and fear of being assaulted or raped.

Then, there's the molten-hot-iron Leftist-radical-feminist ideology of abortion on demand. Again we see the Leftist publicity spun euphemism for women's rights to unhindered control over their bodies, access to women's healthcare, for mercy of a child of parents with no financial means, because: death penalty and all the other common euphemistic justifications. What all of them really mean after shedding of their disguise, is: population control, child sacrifice, ultimate selfishness, utter lack of personal responsibility, blaming the unborn for the pregnancy, and a lucrative industry of death disguised as convenience and mercy.

And now, lets move "up" to the philosophical and psychological . . .

Radical Leftist philosophy includes many disturbing branches devised primarily for the purpose of removing empathy, God, sense of individualism, forgiveness and personal freedom of thought from our lives, in support of conversion of the sacredly held facts and beliefs of our forefathers into pure intellectual obedience.

For example, the concept of Antipositivism, which is the antithesis of Positivism Antipositivism is a philosophical and psychological approach to studying both the natural world and human social interaction by means of non-scientific methods such as rationalization and inference; in other words, it is a means of investigating, understanding and interacting with the world by means of simply thinking about it. On a more metaphysical level, and a completely hypocritical one in the face of atheism's desire to remove God from our minds--Antipositivism is about examination of, for and by, the higher, abstract, purely of the mind force of intellect; thought conducted on a plane of the psyche . . . and one could even argue--the religious or supernatural.

A long running psychological obsession of the radical Left is measurement, and thereby prediction, of authoritarian behaviors in the average individual. Without getting into excessive detail, more information can be found around the Web by Googling: The Authoritarian Personality and the California F-scale--which is a actual test to measure predisposition to Fascism. I'll only add that controversy over the F-scale arose over Left leaning subjects tending to score higher than Right leaning ones.

In closing, the radical Left's ideology is to me clearly one of enforced deceit, submission, loss of individuality, loss of Constitutional rights and blatant lies about governments ran by the People which are actually run by authoritarian party councils or dictators. Further, radical Leftist ideologies are about mass addiction to government enforced benefits, political correctness over free speech, the murder of the unborn, destruction of religion, enforced Party line conformity, and use of cultural violence--to name but a few of its naked realities.

So what say you?

Conservatism vs. modern Liberalism = Good vs. Evil?

Commentary from all sides welcome--along with all the vitriol this thread can eat (joking, surely).

Voted no, but it is America vs. liberalism [white elitists]

 

[night_son]

. . . is a clash between good and evil?

Philosophically speaking, of course. . . .



In my opinion, philosophically, the sum total ideology of radical Leftism--excluding political or religious qualities--can be summed up best as a paradigm of evil euphemisms, each one being equally deceitful and engineered to encapsulate as means of lurid, attractive disguise, the true madness within their cores.

For example: the transgender movement. Radicalized Leftist party public relations mouthpieces would have the American people believe the transgender movement is about equality and social acceptance for all Americans. When in truth it is a two sided coin of amoral, anti-American violence against the most innocent and deletion of individual Constitutional rights.

Imagine the horror of the child who is convinced by teacher and guidance counselor or movement activist educator, that he can become a she with hormone treatment and surgery, who after said procedures now must live with a mutilated body as he ages into the realization of the terrible things done to him.

On the coin's other side, think of the woman who after working out in public at the Gym retires to its women's locker room to shower and change, only to have a biological man, pretending to be a woman in all its muscular superiority, barge in and get naked before her eyes. The euphemism for equality, civil rights and acceptance is, in fact, a euphemism for legal butchery of biological sexual identity, and removal of right and expectance of privacy and fear of being assaulted or raped.

Then, there's the molten-hot-iron Leftist-radical-feminist ideology of abortion on demand. Again we see the Leftist publicity spun euphemism for women's rights to unhindered control over their bodies, access to women's healthcare, for mercy of a child of parents with no financial means, because: death penalty and all the other common euphemistic justifications. What all of them really mean after shedding of their disguise, is: population control, child sacrifice, ultimate selfishness, utter lack of personal responsibility, blaming the unborn for the pregnancy, and a lucrative industry of death disguised as convenience and mercy.

And now, lets move "up" to the philosophical and psychological . . .

Radical Leftist philosophy includes many disturbing branches devised primarily for the purpose of removing empathy, God, sense of individualism, forgiveness and personal freedom of thought from our lives, in support of conversion of the sacredly held facts and beliefs of our forefathers into pure intellectual obedience.

For example, the concept of Antipositivism, which is the antithesis of Positivism Antipositivism is a philosophical and psychological approach to studying both the natural world and human social interaction by means of non-scientific methods such as rationalization and inference; in other words, it is a means of investigating, understanding and interacting with the world by means of simply thinking about it. On a more metaphysical level, and a completely hypocritical one in the face of atheism's desire to remove God from our minds--Antipositivism is about examination of, for and by, the higher, abstract, purely of the mind force of intellect; thought conducted on a plane of the psyche . . . and one could even argue--the religious or supernatural.

A long running psychological obsession of the radical Left is measurement, and thereby prediction, of authoritarian behaviors in the average individual. Without getting into excessive detail, more information can be found around the Web by Googling: The Authoritarian Personality and the California F-scale--which is a actual test to measure predisposition to Fascism. I'll only add that controversy over the F-scale arose over Left leaning subjects tending to score higher than Right leaning ones.

In closing, the radical Left's ideology is to me clearly one of enforced deceit, submission, loss of individuality, loss of Constitutional rights and blatant lies about governments ran by the People which are actually run by authoritarian party councils or dictators. Further, radical Leftist ideologies are about mass addiction to government enforced benefits, political correctness over free speech, the murder of the unborn, destruction of religion, enforced Party line conformity, and use of cultural violence--to name but a few of its naked realities.

So what say you?

Conservatism vs. modern Liberalism = Good vs. Evil?

Commentary from all sides welcome--along with all the vitriol this thread can eat (joking, surely).

Voted no, but it is America vs. liberalism [white elitists]

Thanks. I agree with you on the elitists part. Some of their philosophies are just too far removed from the sphere of daily life on the ground for the average person, to be practical or relevant to the debate, and many of these purely intellectual concepts tend to think away feeling, tradition and meaning--things that drive most Americans.

 

[Picaro]

. . . is a clash between good and evil?

No.

It only seems that way, when too many from both ends become myopic narcissists, completely lose their shit, and stop thinking critically.
.

On which strata of the political hierarchy do true independents base their confidence in cooler heads prevailing?

Political Psychology
Ideology (and associated ingrained parti pris)
Political Philosophy (pragmatism? perhaps existentialism?)
Sociology
Socioeconomic Theory
Statistics
Constitutional Interpretation
Level of Situational Oppression

We are all willing victims of subjection.

In his book The Fatal Conciet, F.A. Hayek goes into how the rationalist' myth is doomed to failure, and the key role tradition and religion plays in successful societies, acting as sort of a generational memory and brake on extremes and radical changes.based merely on whim and/or fashion. He's an atheist, but isn't afraid to note the advantages and better historical record Christianity has compared to so-called 'rational constructionists', who almost inevitably run to socialism and an arrogant fantasy of superiority and belief that they are capable of knowing all the variables and making decisions on them, i.e the term 'fatal conceit' in the book title.

'Subjective ' decisions and choices are all there is past a certain level of simplicity.

 

[night_son]

. . . is a clash between good and evil?

No.

It only seems that way, when too many from both ends become myopic narcissists, completely lose their shit, and stop thinking critically.
.

On which strata of the political hierarchy do true independents base their confidence in cooler heads prevailing?

Political Psychology
Ideology (and associated ingrained parti pris)
Political Philosophy (pragmatism? perhaps existentialism?)
Sociology
Socioeconomic Theory
Statistics
Constitutional Interpretation
Level of Situational Oppression

We are all willing victims of subjection.

In his book The Fatal Conciet, F.A. Hayek goes into how the rationalist' myth is doomed to failure, and the key role tradition and religion plays in successful societies, acting as sort of a generational memory and brake on extremes and radical changes.based merely on whim and/or fashion. He's an atheist, but isn't afraid to note the advantages and better historical record Christianity has compared to so-called 'rational constructionists', who almost inevitably run to socialism and an arrogant fantasy of superiority and belief that they are capable of knowing all the variables and making decisions on them, i.e the term 'fatal conceit' in the book title.

'Subjective ' decisions and choices are all there is past a certain level of simplicity.

Thanks much for the nod to Hayek and his middle rung--or at least less deconstructionist one--on the ladder of Modernist liberal philosophy. Rationalism seems to have gained unprecedented and unanticipated momentum in the dominant minds of American Leftism enclaves and further, seems to be dug in culturally for the long haul.

I agree. And that base level of simplicity the more radical leaning Left would assign to the average American voter's mind bespeaks an obvious, nefarious intent; an icon for their purist contempt held for the everyman.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

It is not a fight between good and evil, rather a struggle between two evils.

"Prep School" Means PREPare for College

Both from the same source: the sheltered, ignorant, and pompous university.

 

[james bond]

Politics isn't about good vs evil while religion is. There is good on both sides as well as bad on both sides. It's more about winning vs losing and we can't have another two-term socialist/commie POTUS again.

 

[night_son]

Politics isn't about good vs evil while religion is. There is good on both sides as well as bad on both sides. It's more about winning vs losing and we can't have another two-term socialist/commie POTUS again.

Thanks.

Why can't we have another two term Obama? What was it bothered you most about his American vision? I agree by the way--on the whole good/bad on both sides and winning is everything, but not everything for the average American who just wants to exist and go for a walk without too many snarling dogs chasing him down.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

It's been quite obvious for a long time.

Nearly everywhere that matters of public policy line up with the distinction between good and evil, liberals can nearly always be found on the side of evil, and conservatives on the side of good.

To put it more concisely than you did…

• Conservatism generally stands with religious faith and practice, while liberalism stands with godlessness and atheism.
• Conservatism stands for good values regarding sexual morality, while liberalism stands for all manner of foul immorality, perversions, and deviancy.
• Conservatism stands for this country and its people, while liberalism openly, treasonously sides with invading foreign criminals.
• Conservatism sides with law-abiding citizens, while liberalism sides with violent criminals.

I could go on, but I think the point is obvious.

. . . is a clash between good and evil?

Philosophically speaking, of course. . . .



In my opinion, philosophically, the sum total ideology of radical Leftism--excluding political or religious qualities--can be summed up best as a paradigm of evil euphemisms, each one being equally deceitful and engineered to encapsulate as means of lurid, attractive disguise, the true madness within their cores.

For example: the transgender movement. Radicalized Leftist party public relations mouthpieces would have the American people believe the transgender movement is about equality and social acceptance for all Americans. When in truth it is a two sided coin of amoral, anti-American violence against the most innocent and deletion of individual Constitutional rights.

Imagine the horror of the child who is convinced by teacher and guidance counselor or movement activist educator, that he can become a she with hormone treatment and surgery, who after said procedures now must live with a mutilated body as he ages into the realization of the terrible things done to him.

On the coin's other side, think of the woman who after working out in public at the Gym retires to its women's locker room to shower and change, only to have a biological man, pretending to be a woman in all its muscular superiority, barge in and get naked before her eyes. The euphemism for equality, civil rights and acceptance is, in fact, a euphemism for legal butchery of biological sexual identity, and removal of right and expectance of privacy and fear of being assaulted or raped.

Then, there's the molten-hot-iron Leftist-radical-feminist ideology of abortion on demand. Again we see the Leftist publicity spun euphemism for women's rights to unhindered control over their bodies, access to women's healthcare, for mercy of a child of parents with no financial means, because: death penalty and all the other common euphemistic justifications. What all of them really mean after shedding of their disguise, is: population control, child sacrifice, ultimate selfishness, utter lack of personal responsibility, blaming the unborn for the pregnancy, and a lucrative industry of death disguised as convenience and mercy.

And now, lets move "up" to the philosophical and psychological . . .

Radical Leftist philosophy includes many disturbing branches devised primarily for the purpose of removing empathy, God, sense of individualism, forgiveness and personal freedom of thought from our lives, in support of conversion of the sacredly held facts and beliefs of our forefathers into pure intellectual obedience.

For example, the concept of Antipositivism, which is the antithesis of Positivism Antipositivism is a philosophical and psychological approach to studying both the natural world and human social interaction by means of non-scientific methods such as rationalization and inference; in other words, it is a means of investigating, understanding and interacting with the world by means of simply thinking about it. On a more metaphysical level, and a completely hypocritical one in the face of atheism's desire to remove God from our minds--Antipositivism is about examination of, for and by, the higher, abstract, purely of the mind force of intellect; thought conducted on a plane of the psyche . . . and one could even argue--the religious or supernatural.

A long running psychological obsession of the radical Left is measurement, and thereby prediction, of authoritarian behaviors in the average individual. Without getting into excessive detail, more information can be found around the Web by Googling: The Authoritarian Personality and the California F-scale--which is a actual test to measure predisposition to Fascism. I'll only add that controversy over the F-scale arose over Left leaning subjects tending to score higher than Right leaning ones.

In closing, the radical Left's ideology is to me clearly one of enforced deceit, submission, loss of individuality, loss of Constitutional rights and blatant lies about governments ran by the People which are actually run by authoritarian party councils or dictators. Further, radical Leftist ideologies are about mass addiction to government enforced benefits, political correctness over free speech, the murder of the unborn, destruction of religion, enforced Party line conformity, and use of cultural violence--to name but a few of its naked realities.

So what say you?

Conservatism vs. modern Liberalism = Good vs. Evil?

Commentary from all sides welcome--along with all the vitriol this thread can eat (joking, surely).

 

[Bob Blaylock]

This is why I think the Left is at war with morality. They realize that if they create a bunch of foul mouthed violent animals that are willing to suck the brains out of their offspring to abort them, must necessitate a police state and a strong centralized government to oversee it all.

I think you give them too much credit.

It's a natural part of human nature, to want to do what we want to do, without someone else tellings us that it's wrong, or trying to prevent us from doing it. Denying the objective difference between good and evil is a convenient way to attempt to justify one's own behavior.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

My thoughts exactly--speaking to behaviors of the radical Left. The Democratic party has ridden across decades of American cultural revolution on the coattails of identity politics--particularly as they've applied that political philosophy to women and African Americans.

And homosexuals and transsexuals. And they're on the verge of adding pedophiles as well. And who knows what other sick sexual deviancies?

 

[Nosmo King]

It is not a fight between good and evil, rather a struggle between two evils.

Then all of man's precedent rationalization and interpretation, all sects of philosophy, are inherently, inescapably, evil?

You cast evil like a spell. Evil. Really? Aren't you wrapping yourself in an ossified morality, tilting at windmills?

You call transgender folks evil. Why? What harm have they posed on you? You're confused about the transgendered. You do not know the scope of psychological work involved before someone starts to change genders. You seem to think it's something done on a whim. It's a personal, private choice and no one has a right to interfere with the legal choices of an adult.

No individual and certainly no state has the standing to impose himself in an individual's decision so long as that decision does not involve breaking the law. Where in American values is such an imposition recognized?

 

[ding]

. . . is a clash between good and evil?

Philosophically speaking, of course. . . .



In my opinion, philosophically, the sum total ideology of radical Leftism--excluding political or religious qualities--can be summed up best as a paradigm of evil euphemisms, each one being equally deceitful and engineered to encapsulate as means of lurid, attractive disguise, the true madness within their cores.

For example: the transgender movement. Radicalized Leftist party public relations mouthpieces would have the American people believe the transgender movement is about equality and social acceptance for all Americans. When in truth it is a two sided coin of amoral, anti-American violence against the most innocent and deletion of individual Constitutional rights.

Imagine the horror of the child who is convinced by teacher and guidance counselor or movement activist educator, that he can become a she with hormone treatment and surgery, who after said procedures now must live with a mutilated body as he ages into the realization of the terrible things done to him.

On the coin's other side, think of the woman who after working out in public at the Gym retires to its women's locker room to shower and change, only to have a biological man, pretending to be a woman in all its muscular superiority, barge in and get naked before her eyes. The euphemism for equality, civil rights and acceptance is, in fact, a euphemism for legal butchery of biological sexual identity, and removal of right and expectance of privacy and fear of being assaulted or raped.

Then, there's the molten-hot-iron Leftist-radical-feminist ideology of abortion on demand. Again we see the Leftist publicity spun euphemism for women's rights to unhindered control over their bodies, access to women's healthcare, for mercy of a child of parents with no financial means, because: death penalty and all the other common euphemistic justifications. What all of them really mean after shedding of their disguise, is: population control, child sacrifice, ultimate selfishness, utter lack of personal responsibility, blaming the unborn for the pregnancy, and a lucrative industry of death disguised as convenience and mercy.

And now, lets move "up" to the philosophical and psychological . . .

Radical Leftist philosophy includes many disturbing branches devised primarily for the purpose of removing empathy, God, sense of individualism, forgiveness and personal freedom of thought from our lives, in support of conversion of the sacredly held facts and beliefs of our forefathers into pure intellectual obedience.

For example, the concept of Antipositivism, which is the antithesis of Positivism Antipositivism is a philosophical and psychological approach to studying both the natural world and human social interaction by means of non-scientific methods such as rationalization and inference; in other words, it is a means of investigating, understanding and interacting with the world by means of simply thinking about it. On a more metaphysical level, and a completely hypocritical one in the face of atheism's desire to remove God from our minds--Antipositivism is about examination of, for and by, the higher, abstract, purely of the mind force of intellect; thought conducted on a plane of the psyche . . . and one could even argue--the religious or supernatural.

A long running psychological obsession of the radical Left is measurement, and thereby prediction, of authoritarian behaviors in the average individual. Without getting into excessive detail, more information can be found around the Web by Googling: The Authoritarian Personality and the California F-scale--which is a actual test to measure predisposition to Fascism. I'll only add that controversy over the F-scale arose over Left leaning subjects tending to score higher than Right leaning ones.

In closing, the radical Left's ideology is to me clearly one of enforced deceit, submission, loss of individuality, loss of Constitutional rights and blatant lies about governments ran by the People which are actually run by authoritarian party councils or dictators. Further, radical Leftist ideologies are about mass addiction to government enforced benefits, political correctness over free speech, the murder of the unborn, destruction of religion, enforced Party line conformity, and use of cultural violence--to name but a few of its naked realities.

So what say you?

Conservatism vs. modern Liberalism = Good vs. Evil?

Commentary from all sides welcome--along with all the vitriol this thread can eat (joking, surely).

The cosmic battle between good and evil has manifested itself in the battle between free enterprise and socialism.

 

[night_son]

. . . is a clash between good and evil?

Philosophically speaking, of course. . . .



In my opinion, philosophically, the sum total ideology of radical Leftism--excluding political or religious qualities--can be summed up best as a paradigm of evil euphemisms, each one being equally deceitful and engineered to encapsulate as means of lurid, attractive disguise, the true madness within their cores.

For example: the transgender movement. Radicalized Leftist party public relations mouthpieces would have the American people believe the transgender movement is about equality and social acceptance for all Americans. When in truth it is a two sided coin of amoral, anti-American violence against the most innocent and deletion of individual Constitutional rights.

Imagine the horror of the child who is convinced by teacher and guidance counselor or movement activist educator, that he can become a she with hormone treatment and surgery, who after said procedures now must live with a mutilated body as he ages into the realization of the terrible things done to him.

On the coin's other side, think of the woman who after working out in public at the Gym retires to its women's locker room to shower and change, only to have a biological man, pretending to be a woman in all its muscular superiority, barge in and get naked before her eyes. The euphemism for equality, civil rights and acceptance is, in fact, a euphemism for legal butchery of biological sexual identity, and removal of right and expectance of privacy and fear of being assaulted or raped.

Then, there's the molten-hot-iron Leftist-radical-feminist ideology of abortion on demand. Again we see the Leftist publicity spun euphemism for women's rights to unhindered control over their bodies, access to women's healthcare, for mercy of a child of parents with no financial means, because: death penalty and all the other common euphemistic justifications. What all of them really mean after shedding of their disguise, is: population control, child sacrifice, ultimate selfishness, utter lack of personal responsibility, blaming the unborn for the pregnancy, and a lucrative industry of death disguised as convenience and mercy.

And now, lets move "up" to the philosophical and psychological . . .

Radical Leftist philosophy includes many disturbing branches devised primarily for the purpose of removing empathy, God, sense of individualism, forgiveness and personal freedom of thought from our lives, in support of conversion of the sacredly held facts and beliefs of our forefathers into pure intellectual obedience.

For example, the concept of Antipositivism, which is the antithesis of Positivism Antipositivism is a philosophical and psychological approach to studying both the natural world and human social interaction by means of non-scientific methods such as rationalization and inference; in other words, it is a means of investigating, understanding and interacting with the world by means of simply thinking about it. On a more metaphysical level, and a completely hypocritical one in the face of atheism's desire to remove God from our minds--Antipositivism is about examination of, for and by, the higher, abstract, purely of the mind force of intellect; thought conducted on a plane of the psyche . . . and one could even argue--the religious or supernatural.

A long running psychological obsession of the radical Left is measurement, and thereby prediction, of authoritarian behaviors in the average individual. Without getting into excessive detail, more information can be found around the Web by Googling: The Authoritarian Personality and the California F-scale--which is a actual test to measure predisposition to Fascism. I'll only add that controversy over the F-scale arose over Left leaning subjects tending to score higher than Right leaning ones.

In closing, the radical Left's ideology is to me clearly one of enforced deceit, submission, loss of individuality, loss of Constitutional rights and blatant lies about governments ran by the People which are actually run by authoritarian party councils or dictators. Further, radical Leftist ideologies are about mass addiction to government enforced benefits, political correctness over free speech, the murder of the unborn, destruction of religion, enforced Party line conformity, and use of cultural violence--to name but a few of its naked realities.

So what say you?

Conservatism vs. modern Liberalism = Good vs. Evil?

Commentary from all sides welcome--along with all the vitriol this thread can eat (joking, surely).

The cosmic battle between good and evil has manifested itself in the battle between free enterprise and socialism.

While I agree, I also believe the context of the struggle is a much deeper one. It is a struggle or conflict between the godless and the faithful, however, the real primacy lies within us: a struggle between the indelible, inborn part of the Logos within us--a vessel through which we "know" the face of God, and fear and hide from it--and the rest of our being which is compelled to reject the Logos and defy or rebel against the Father. Nevertheless, your euphemistic comparison is as valid a philosophy as any other.

 

[night_son]

It is not a fight between good and evil, rather a struggle between two evils.

Then all of man's precedent rationalization and interpretation, all sects of philosophy, are inherently, inescapably, evil?

You cast evil like a spell. Evil. Really? Aren't you wrapping yourself in an ossified morality, tilting at windmills?

You call transgender folks evil. Why? What harm have they posed on you? You're confused about the transgendered. You do not know the scope of psychological work involved before someone starts to change genders. You seem to think it's something done on a whim. It's a personal, private choice and no one has a right to interfere with the legal choices of an adult.

No individual and certainly no state has the standing to impose himself in an individual's decision so long as that decision does not involve breaking the law. Where in American values is such an imposition recognized?

I could not disagree with you more strongly. The nascence of transgender "science" in America is a prime case for adding the true horror's of the subject to the classical, primal definition of evil. Allow me to elaborate with historical fact to back up my so-called sorcery of ignorance.

We must begin by examining the lives of two Americans--both born biologically male. One, Dr. John William Money, was a psychologist who thought he could play God by changing the gender of very young child with a range of theoretical methods. The other, born Bruce Reimer, later known as Brenda Reimer and finally, before his death, David Reimer, was an infant when his botched circumcision ruined his male anatomy. The decades long effect Dr. Money's gender theories would have on Bruce, as his personal living human experiment, can only be summarized as criminal and torturous--and ultimately, an ongoing hell that ended in final tragedy.

Reimer's parents reached out to Dr. Money, who decided based on theory and philosophy alone, that then baby Bruce Reimer could and should be raised as a female, due to the botched surgery. Without writing a full article here on the case, I will summarize its course over the short years of Bruce's/Brenda's/David's life. See, Reimer's parents were on board with Money, but little Bruce never was.

His parents raised him as a girl by convincing him he was female, by dressing him as a girl, conditioning him to be female, etc. At age 12 Dr. Money began estrogen treatments on Bruce--now renamed Brenda--in an effort to force female puberty and prevent his natural male features from forming--to include male body hair and voice change. Over the next several years Money visited Brenda annually to study his progress.

Suffice it to say I find it extremely disturbing to continue paraphrasing Bruce Reimer's horrific ordeal, so in closing my comments on the Reimer case will only further mention his years of struggling at the hands of Money's sadistic treatment. Bruce/Brenda underwent two surgeries to become a functioning man, married a woman and lived as a man until the years of Money's sadistic experimentation finally drove Bruce--now David Reimer--to commit suicide.

Throughout Bruce's childhood and teenage years he fought a living, daily war to be the boy he was born as against his parents and the "doctor" who, in his supremist intellectual arrogance, believed he could decide what another living being should live their life as (the same damn thing you accuse us on the Right of doing). But, Dr. Money's real motivation was much more sinister. See, Money tortured Bruce Reimer for years, not because he wanted to help the boy, no, rather because Money wanted to prove a damn fu**ing theory; Money thought he could intellectualize Bruce Reimer's biological, scientific sex at birth to the opposite one.

Dr Money: The case of Bruce Reimer - Edexcel Psychology

And a cult of violent insanity was born.

Evil.

What you would so passionately defend is nothing less than the mutilation and psychological torture of children. You've no right, no human excuse, no justification or logical position from which to force submission of another person's will or body to yours or anyone else's belief in brainsick voodoo psychology, philosophy or political belief.

Believe me when I tell you I am speaking for tens of millions of Americans who damn well feel the same way.

 

[deanrd]

. . . is a clash between good and evil?

Philosophically speaking, of course. . . .



In my opinion, philosophically, the sum total ideology of radical Leftism--excluding political or religious qualities--can be summed up best as a paradigm of evil euphemisms, each one being equally deceitful and engineered to encapsulate as means of lurid, attractive disguise, the true madness within their cores.

For example: the transgender movement. Radicalized Leftist party public relations mouthpieces would have the American people believe the transgender movement is about equality and social acceptance for all Americans. When in truth it is a two sided coin of amoral, anti-American violence against the most innocent and deletion of individual Constitutional rights.

Imagine the horror of the child who is convinced by teacher and guidance counselor or movement activist educator, that he can become a she with hormone treatment and surgery, who after said procedures now must live with a mutilated body as he ages into the realization of the terrible things done to him.

On the coin's other side, think of the woman who after working out in public at the Gym retires to its women's locker room to shower and change, only to have a biological man, pretending to be a woman in all its muscular superiority, barge in and get naked before her eyes. The euphemism for equality, civil rights and acceptance is, in fact, a euphemism for legal butchery of biological sexual identity, and removal of right and expectance of privacy and fear of being assaulted or raped.

Then, there's the molten-hot-iron Leftist-radical-feminist ideology of abortion on demand. Again we see the Leftist publicity spun euphemism for women's rights to unhindered control over their bodies, access to women's healthcare, for mercy of a child of parents with no financial means, because: death penalty and all the other common euphemistic justifications. What all of them really mean after shedding of their disguise, is: population control, child sacrifice, ultimate selfishness, utter lack of personal responsibility, blaming the unborn for the pregnancy, and a lucrative industry of death disguised as convenience and mercy.

And now, lets move "up" to the philosophical and psychological . . .

Radical Leftist philosophy includes many disturbing branches devised primarily for the purpose of removing empathy, God, sense of individualism, forgiveness and personal freedom of thought from our lives, in support of conversion of the sacredly held facts and beliefs of our forefathers into pure intellectual obedience.

For example, the concept of Antipositivism, which is the antithesis of Positivism Antipositivism is a philosophical and psychological approach to studying both the natural world and human social interaction by means of non-scientific methods such as rationalization and inference; in other words, it is a means of investigating, understanding and interacting with the world by means of simply thinking about it. On a more metaphysical level, and a completely hypocritical one in the face of atheism's desire to remove God from our minds--Antipositivism is about examination of, for and by, the higher, abstract, purely of the mind force of intellect; thought conducted on a plane of the psyche . . . and one could even argue--the religious or supernatural.

A long running psychological obsession of the radical Left is measurement, and thereby prediction, of authoritarian behaviors in the average individual. Without getting into excessive detail, more information can be found around the Web by Googling: The Authoritarian Personality and the California F-scale--which is a actual test to measure predisposition to Fascism. I'll only add that controversy over the F-scale arose over Left leaning subjects tending to score higher than Right leaning ones.

In closing, the radical Left's ideology is to me clearly one of enforced deceit, submission, loss of individuality, loss of Constitutional rights and blatant lies about governments ran by the People which are actually run by authoritarian party councils or dictators. Further, radical Leftist ideologies are about mass addiction to government enforced benefits, political correctness over free speech, the murder of the unborn, destruction of religion, enforced Party line conformity, and use of cultural violence--to name but a few of its naked realities.

So what say you?

Conservatism vs. modern Liberalism = Good vs. Evil?

Commentary from all sides welcome--along with all the vitriol this thread can eat (joking, surely).

It is the difference between good and evil.

Ripping babies from their mother's arms.

Teaching children education is bad.

"Let him die" healthcare.

Only evil can up with this stuff.

Only evil.

 

[night_son]

. . . is a clash between good and evil?

Philosophically speaking, of course. . . .



In my opinion, philosophically, the sum total ideology of radical Leftism--excluding political or religious qualities--can be summed up best as a paradigm of evil euphemisms, each one being equally deceitful and engineered to encapsulate as means of lurid, attractive disguise, the true madness within their cores.

For example: the transgender movement. Radicalized Leftist party public relations mouthpieces would have the American people believe the transgender movement is about equality and social acceptance for all Americans. When in truth it is a two sided coin of amoral, anti-American violence against the most innocent and deletion of individual Constitutional rights.

Imagine the horror of the child who is convinced by teacher and guidance counselor or movement activist educator, that he can become a she with hormone treatment and surgery, who after said procedures now must live with a mutilated body as he ages into the realization of the terrible things done to him.

On the coin's other side, think of the woman who after working out in public at the Gym retires to its women's locker room to shower and change, only to have a biological man, pretending to be a woman in all its muscular superiority, barge in and get naked before her eyes. The euphemism for equality, civil rights and acceptance is, in fact, a euphemism for legal butchery of biological sexual identity, and removal of right and expectance of privacy and fear of being assaulted or raped.

Then, there's the molten-hot-iron Leftist-radical-feminist ideology of abortion on demand. Again we see the Leftist publicity spun euphemism for women's rights to unhindered control over their bodies, access to women's healthcare, for mercy of a child of parents with no financial means, because: death penalty and all the other common euphemistic justifications. What all of them really mean after shedding of their disguise, is: population control, child sacrifice, ultimate selfishness, utter lack of personal responsibility, blaming the unborn for the pregnancy, and a lucrative industry of death disguised as convenience and mercy.

And now, lets move "up" to the philosophical and psychological . . .

Radical Leftist philosophy includes many disturbing branches devised primarily for the purpose of removing empathy, God, sense of individualism, forgiveness and personal freedom of thought from our lives, in support of conversion of the sacredly held facts and beliefs of our forefathers into pure intellectual obedience.

For example, the concept of Antipositivism, which is the antithesis of Positivism Antipositivism is a philosophical and psychological approach to studying both the natural world and human social interaction by means of non-scientific methods such as rationalization and inference; in other words, it is a means of investigating, understanding and interacting with the world by means of simply thinking about it. On a more metaphysical level, and a completely hypocritical one in the face of atheism's desire to remove God from our minds--Antipositivism is about examination of, for and by, the higher, abstract, purely of the mind force of intellect; thought conducted on a plane of the psyche . . . and one could even argue--the religious or supernatural.

A long running psychological obsession of the radical Left is measurement, and thereby prediction, of authoritarian behaviors in the average individual. Without getting into excessive detail, more information can be found around the Web by Googling: The Authoritarian Personality and the California F-scale--which is a actual test to measure predisposition to Fascism. I'll only add that controversy over the F-scale arose over Left leaning subjects tending to score higher than Right leaning ones.

In closing, the radical Left's ideology is to me clearly one of enforced deceit, submission, loss of individuality, loss of Constitutional rights and blatant lies about governments ran by the People which are actually run by authoritarian party councils or dictators. Further, radical Leftist ideologies are about mass addiction to government enforced benefits, political correctness over free speech, the murder of the unborn, destruction of religion, enforced Party line conformity, and use of cultural violence--to name but a few of its naked realities.

So what say you?

Conservatism vs. modern Liberalism = Good vs. Evil?

Commentary from all sides welcome--along with all the vitriol this thread can eat (joking, surely).

It is the difference between good and evil.

Ripping babies from their mother's arms.

Teaching children education is bad.

"Let him die" healthcare.

Only evil can up with this stuff.

Only evil.

Thanks for your input, deanrd. Although we share sharply opposing views, politically, I appreciate your opinion.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

He's an atheist, but isn't afraid to note the advantages and better historical record Christianity has compared to so-called 'rational constructionists'

This/that describes me fairly well...for most of my life I railed against religion, [after being raised Catholic] and I still see it's ability for abuse, but the left has no concept of historical lineage and how important it is to cultural survival. As I grow older I tend to view both religious belief and socialism as acceptable to me.

Take a look at the failure of socialism and communism around the world, one of the biggest reasons for it's failure is because it is less than 200 years old so no country has a deep rooted connection to/with it.

Part of the lefts strategy is to destroy the connections countries have with the past through character assassination so as to give their otherwise failing system nothing to compete against.