Does America Need Be Saved From Theocracy?

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Josh Levs points this out in his new book, “All In,” in a chapter titled “How Black Dads Are Doing Best of All (But There’s Still a Crisis).” One fact that Levs quickly establishes is that most black fathers in America live with their children: “There are about 2.5 million black fathers living with their children and about 1.7 million living apart from them.”

The root cause of the problems blacks face is white racism.
 
More crazy from the Mail Order Bride From Hell...

a. So you object to enforcing the commandment against murder?

There were laws against Murder long before the Ten Commandments.. The Code of Hamurrabi, for instance, which predates it by centuries. Most non-Christian societies have laws against murder. This wasn't a particularly original idea by your sky fairy.

b. You view is that forcing conscientious objectors to bake a cake is more important than liberty?

It isn't a matter of liberty. If the Bakers don't want to follow the laws of their state, they have the option of doing something else for a living.

c. One must admit the consistency you folks stick to going back to your revolution in 1905.
I knew you wouldn't understand that, RealDumb....you're a government school grad.

As opposed to yourself, a product of religious schooling... The worst thing I found out after 12 years of Catholic Schools is how much stuff they OUTRIGHT LIED ABOUT.
So see a shrink, fascist idiot.
 
8. “You religious Bible-thumpers want to ram your superstition down our throats…..this is not a theocracy!!!”



William Barr's speech inspired this thread.....

The Progressives were irate about the speech! Same as their predecessors:
"Just because any religious idea, any idea of any god at all, any flirtation even with a god, is the most inexpressible foulness, particularly tolerantly (and often even favourably) accepted by the democratic bourgeoisie—for that very reason it is the most dangerous foulness, the most shameful “infection.” A million physical sins, dirty tricks, acts of violence and infections are much more easily discovered by the crowd, and therefore are much less dangerous, than the nubile, spiritual idea of god, dressed up in the most attractive “ideological” costumes."
Letter from Lenin to Maxim Gorky, Written on November 13 or 14, 1913 Lenin 55. TO MAXIM GORKY

The inspiration for government school.




“United States Attorney General William Barr spoke at Notre Dame Law School …. all the unhappy warriors who see Gileads bubbling up in every American small town raced to warn us of our impending doom. Also as per usual, in their screeds were seeds of the very things Barr described.

…RefuseFascism.org, which proclaimed in a headline, “At Notre Dame, William Barr Lays Out a Christian Fascist Nightmare.”

…writer Joan Walsh described Barr as "a paranoid right-wing Catholic ideologue who won't respect the separation of church and state." She mocked the Catholic men's service group Knights of Columbus (of which Barr has been a member) as "a patriarchal cosplay group." Walsh's distaste for Catholicism is matched only by her evident loathing of evangelicals. She writes: "(I)t's worth noting that Vice President Mike Pence, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, and acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney were all also raised Catholic -- but Pence and Pompeo went one better than Barr and joined the official GOP denomination, White Evangelical Protestantism ... I couldn't wish these guys better company to spend time with in hell." A Moral Citizenry Is Not a Theocracy



Rabid anti-religion bigots....hoping that all of America renounce the views of our Founders, that which made our nation the shining city on the hill.
 
More crazy from the Mail Order Bride From Hell...

a. So you object to enforcing the commandment against murder?

There were laws against Murder long before the Ten Commandments.. The Code of Hamurrabi, for instance, which predates it by centuries. Most non-Christian societies have laws against murder. This wasn't a particularly original idea by your sky fairy.

b. You view is that forcing conscientious objectors to bake a cake is more important than liberty?

It isn't a matter of liberty. If the Bakers don't want to follow the laws of their state, they have the option of doing something else for a living.

c. One must admit the consistency you folks stick to going back to your revolution in 1905.
I knew you wouldn't understand that, RealDumb....you're a government school grad.

As opposed to yourself, a product of religious schooling... The worst thing I found out after 12 years of Catholic Schools is how much stuff they OUTRIGHT LIED ABOUT.
So see a shrink, fascist idiot.


Pity the poor shrink!
 
You need to educate yourself.

Asians face white racism. The largest gap between rich and poor belong to asians. Poverty among Asians is just as high as it is among blacks. So then instead of asking me dumb questions, first off, recognize that you aren't white. Second thank us black people for fighting for the civil rights asians weren't getting either. Third, thank blacks for affirmative action that has allowed you to go to a college you never would have been able to attend if not for blacks. Last, go somewhere and look at laws and policies in employment/income, housing and education.

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50 years after the Kerner Commission: African Americans are better off in many ways but are still disadvantaged by racial inequality

Following are some of the key findings:

  • African Americans today are much better educated than they were in 1968 but still lag behind whites in overall educational attainment. More than 90 percent of younger African Americans (ages 25 to 29) have graduated from high school, compared with just over half in 1968—which means they’ve nearly closed the gap with white high school graduation rates. They are also more than twice as likely to have a college degree as in 1968 but are still half as likely as young whites to have a college degree.
  • The substantial progress in educational attainment of African Americans has been accompanied by significant absolute improvements in wages, incomes, wealth, and health since 1968. But black workers still make only 82.5 cents on every dollar earned by white workers, African Americans are 2.5 times as likely to be in poverty as whites, and the median white family has almost 10 times as much wealth as the median black family.
  • With respect to homeownership, unemployment, and incarceration, America has failed to deliver any progress for African Americans over the last five decades. In these areas, their situation has either failed to improve relative to whites or has worsened. In 2017 the black unemployment rate was 7.5 percent, up from 6.7 percent in 1968, and is still roughly twice the white unemployment rate. In 2015, the black homeownership rate was just over 40 percent, virtually unchanged since 1968, and trailing a full 30 points behind the white homeownership rate, which saw modest gains over the same period. And the share of African Americans in prison or jail almost tripled between 1968 and 2016 and is currently more than six times the white incarceration rate.
Educational attainment
The most important development since 1968 is that African Americans today are much better educated than they were in 1968. These absolute improvements in educational attainment—including substantial increases in both high school and college completion rates—have opened important doors for black workers compared with their counterparts 50 years ago. In relative terms, African Americans today are almost as likely as whites to have completed high school. But even though the share of younger African Americans with a college degree has more than doubled, African Americans today are still only about half as likely to have a college degree as whites of the same age.

High school graduation rates. Over the last five decades, African Americans have seen substantial gains in high school completion rates. In 1968, just over half (54.4 percent) of 25- to 29-year-old African Americans had a high school diploma. Today, more than nine out of 10 African Americans (92.3 percent) in the same age range had a high school diploma. (See Table 1 for all data presented in this report.)


The large increase in high school completion rates helped to close the gap relative to whites. In 1968, African Americans trailed whites by more than 20 percentage points (75.0 percent of whites had completed high school, compared with 54.4 percent of blacks). In the most recent data, the gap is just 3.3 percentage points (95.6 percent for whites versus 92.3 percent for African Americans).


College graduation rates. College graduation rates have also improved for African Americans. Among 25- to 29-year-olds, less than one in 10 (9.1 percent) had a college degree in 1968, a figure that has climbed to almost one in four (22.8 percent) today.

Over the same period, however, college completion expanded for whites at a similar pace, rising from 16.2 percent in 1968 to 42.1 percent today, leaving the relative situation of African Americans basically unchanged: in 1968 blacks were just over half (56.0 percent) as likely as whites to have a college degree, a situation that is essentially the same today (54.2 percent).2

We would expect that these kinds of increases in the absolute levels of formal education would translate into large improvements in economic and related outcomes for African Americans. The rest of our indicators test the validity of this assumption.

Unemployment
The unemployment rate for African Americans in 2017 (the last full year of data) was 7.5 percent, 0.8 percentage points higher than it was in 1968 (6.7 percent). The unemployment rate for whites was 3.8 percent in 2017 and 3.2 percent in 1968.3

The unemployment data for these two years, almost 50 years apart, demonstrate a longstanding and unfortunate economic regularity: the unemployment rate for black workers is consistently about twice as high as it is for white workers.

Wages and income
Hourly wages. The inflation-adjusted hourly wage of the typical black worker rose 30.5 percent between 1968 and 2016, or about 0.6 percent per year. This slow rate of growth is particularly disappointing given the large increase in educational attainment among African Americans over these decades.

Even slower real wage growth (about 0.2 percent per year) for the typical white worker—albeit starting from a higher initial wage—meant that African Americans did modestly close the racial wage gap over the last five decades. But, in 2016, by the hourly wage measure used here, the typical black worker still only made 82.5 cents on every dollar earned by the typical white worker.4


Household income. The inflation-adjusted annual income of the typical African American household increased 42.8 percent between 1968 and 2016, slightly outpacing income growth for the typical white household (36.7 percent). But the typical black household today still receives only 61.6 percent of the annual income received by the typical white household.5

Poverty rates. The share of African Americans living in poverty has declined substantially in the last five decades. Using the official federal poverty measure as a benchmark, over one-third (34.7 percent) of African Americans were in poverty in 1968. Today, the share in poverty is just over one in five (21.4 percent). For whites, the decline in the poverty rate was much smaller, from 10.0 percent in 1968 to 8.8 percent in 2016. In the most recent data, African Americans are about 2.5 times as likely to be in poverty as whites. (In 1968, they were 3.5 times as likely to be in poverty.)

50 years after the Kerner Commission: African Americans are better off in many ways but are still disadvantaged by racial inequality

The root cause of the problems blacks face is white racism. I can say the same thing about Asians.



Prove it:

With respect to the education gap, how is it that 'racism' is responsible for these areas in which black students fall short when compared to white and Asian students:

The number of days absent from school

The number of hours spent watching TV

The number of pages read for homework

Quantity and quality of reading material in the home

The presence of two parents in the home.




How does 'racism' explain these ...deficiencies????

How are white folks responsible???

The root cause of the problems blacks face is white racism. I can say the same thing about Asians.

Only a fool asks for something to be proven that has consistently been shown to be true.
In fact, the root cause of many of the problems faced by blacks are caused by blacks. They are their own worse enemy.
Don't underestimate the power of propaganda put out by the democrats. Through availability heuristics they are able to convince the GROUP that they are always the perpetual victim.

Then when we see the power of group think as affirmed by various conformity experiments, what we see is a group that are mental slaves. All still enslaved by the actual party of slavery.

Pushed by ignorant elitist left wing whites, combined by the false notion that we were ever a democracy.

As a result we have large swaths of ignorant voters. We have been in a downward spiral since the day we made voting a right when it was always supposed to be a privilege.
People throughout history have always been sheep. The only way to break that cycle is education. The problem is, we don't provide education to provide independent thought. We provide peer-pressured group-think as a form of propaganda.
What we are seeing is reeducation so to speak. Our schools are brainwashing centers and aoc is an example of the fruit that coming out. Finger waving ignorant morons. We are not overhauling the education system. It's getting worse. So, I don't know how else to see it other than gloom and doom.
 
Prove it:

With respect to the education gap, how is it that 'racism' is responsible for these areas in which black students fall short when compared to white and Asian students:

The number of days absent from school

The number of hours spent watching TV

The number of pages read for homework

Quantity and quality of reading material in the home

The presence of two parents in the home.




How does 'racism' explain these ...deficiencies????

How are white folks responsible???

The root cause of the problems blacks face is white racism. I can say the same thing about Asians.

Only a fool asks for something to be proven that has consistently been shown to be true.
In fact, the root cause of many of the problems faced by blacks are caused by blacks. They are their own worse enemy.
Don't underestimate the power of propaganda put out by the democrats. Through availability heuristics they are able to convince the GROUP that they are always the perpetual victim.

Then when we see the power of group think as affirmed by various conformity experiments, what we see is a group that are mental slaves. All still enslaved by the actual party of slavery.

Pushed by ignorant elitist left wing whites, combined by the false notion that we were ever a democracy.

As a result we have large swaths of ignorant voters. We have been in a downward spiral since the day we made voting a right when it was always supposed to be a privilege.
People throughout history have always been sheep. The only way to break that cycle is education. The problem is, we don't provide education to provide independent thought. We provide peer-pressured group-think as a form of propaganda.
What we are seeing is reeducation so to speak. Our schools are brainwashing centers and aoc is an example of the fruit that coming out. Finger waving ignorant morons. We are not overhauling the education system. It's getting worse. So, I don't know how else to see it other than gloom and doom.


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If we do not end the Liberal occupation of the schools, the nation is lost.
 
The root cause of the problems blacks face is white racism. I can say the same thing about Asians.

Only a fool asks for something to be proven that has consistently been shown to be true.
In fact, the root cause of many of the problems faced by blacks are caused by blacks. They are their own worse enemy.
Don't underestimate the power of propaganda put out by the democrats. Through availability heuristics they are able to convince the GROUP that they are always the perpetual victim.

Then when we see the power of group think as affirmed by various conformity experiments, what we see is a group that are mental slaves. All still enslaved by the actual party of slavery.

Pushed by ignorant elitist left wing whites, combined by the false notion that we were ever a democracy.

As a result we have large swaths of ignorant voters. We have been in a downward spiral since the day we made voting a right when it was always supposed to be a privilege.
People throughout history have always been sheep. The only way to break that cycle is education. The problem is, we don't provide education to provide independent thought. We provide peer-pressured group-think as a form of propaganda.
What we are seeing is reeducation so to speak. Our schools are brainwashing centers and aoc is an example of the fruit that coming out. Finger waving ignorant morons. We are not overhauling the education system. It's getting worse. So, I don't know how else to see it other than gloom and doom.


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If we do not end the Liberal occupation of the schools, the nation is lost.


This is what we see happening right now.
 
There is no liberal occupation in our schools.
 
Your lack of historical rigor knows no bounds. The Nazis were very much anti-Church since they saw it as a threat to their political power. They instead sought to establish a Reich Church which would be compatible with Nazi rule & in-step with Nazi ideology. This was very similar to the Soviet Orthodox Church which was an attempt by the Leninists to replace the Russian Orthodox Church. In any case, neither of these so-called state churches were anywhere near being in-step with God or being labeled as theocratic.

Actually, you are the one who is confused. The Nazis had no problem with the churches, the churches happily got into lock-step with the Nazis.

The mistake you make is thinking the Nazis and the Churches of Germany were that divergent in their views.

Martin Luther wrote a book called "The Jews and their Lies". The Catholic Church held for centuries the Jews killed Jesus. Pope Pius XII was called "Hitler's Pope" for a reason.

Yeah, AFTER the war, they all came out like children who ate too much candy being all sorry and regretful for what they did.

Oh STFU.
Enough of the revisionist bunk.
Gee...ever here of the anti-German league started by the Catholics. Hitler himself was raised Catholic, but was more than hostile to the religion and spoke against it numerous times. Catholic and Protestant churches alike all spoke out against the Nazi party, and all of those priest/ministers were removed and replaced in 1933.
Despite signing a worthless "treaty" with the Catholic church that "guaranteed" religious freedoms - the Nazis banned all religious organizations, schools, clubs and especially youth clubs.
It is beyond willful ignorance to try and say otherwise.
 
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9. This, from AG Barr’s speech:

“From the Founding Era onward, there was strong consensus about the centrality of religious liberty in the United States.

The imperative of protecting religious freedom was not just a nod in the direction of piety. It reflects the Framers’ belief that religion was indispensable to sustaining our free system of government.

In his renowned 1785 pamphlet, “Memorial and Remonstrance Against Religious Assessments,” James Madison described religious liberty as “a right towards men” but “a duty towards the Creator,” and a “duty….precedent both in order of time and degree of obligation, to the claims of Civil Society.



How does religion promote the moral discipline and virtue needed to support free government?

First, it gives us the right rules to live by. The Founding generation were Christians. They believed that the Judeo-Christian moral system corresponds to the true nature of man. Those moral precepts start with the two great commandments – to Love God with your whole heart, soul, and mind; and to Love Thy Neighbor as Thyself.”
America’s great experiment with freedom needs religion


The faith, inseparable from liberty and freedom.


Inscribed on the Liberty Bell….”proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof” Leviticus ch 25
 
Atheism can’t sustain a rights-based, virtue-based system as a God-less ideology. Rousseau, Hegel and Marx took the opposite view, and the result was multiple millions slaughtered.

Just as many were slaughtered by God-fearing Christians... The Nazis didn't wear belt buckles that said, "Atheism is nifty", they wore ones that said this.

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For those who don't speak German, it translates to "God With Us"

Your lack of historical rigor knows no bounds. The Nazis were very much anti-Church since they saw it as a threat to their political power. They instead sought to establish a Reich Church which would be compatible with Nazi rule & in-step with Nazi ideology. This was very similar to the Soviet Orthodox Church which was an attempt by the Leninists to replace the Russian Orthodox Church. In any case, neither of these so-called state churches were anywhere near being in-step with God or being labeled as theocratic.
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For the same reason, the pharmacist or baker should not have to be forced to violate their own morality.

If it comes to it that we are trying to validate one person not being inconvenienced by another than we are at the same predicament. You came to Me for something I can provide. I did not ask you to come to me. I did not state I would violate my morality for you.

Go elsewhere.

This is the essence of true freedom. I won't stop you from doing something I think is wrong but something you have a right to do. I simply won't help you.

You will have to help yourself.

If they don't want to violate their own morality FIND SOMETHING ELSE TO DO FOR A LIVING. This isn't complicated.

The problem is, as a business you DID ask me to come to you. You put out advertisements saying you provide the services provided. In the case of Pharmacists, you are licensed by the state to provide said services.

More importantly, the most important adage of business. The Customer is Always Right.

That is the issue here. You are running a public accommedation as a pharmacist or a baker.

Not complicated at all.
 
Totally ridiculous argument as it would be up to the employer to determine whether they desire to keep that employee in service or not who has these religious beliefs that may inhibit them properly doing their job. That decision is not for you to make.

A couple of problems with this. Why does the Business Owner get the right to refuse to "violate his conscience" but the employee does not.

Seems pretty clear to me. If you don't want to violate your conscience (which is the case with these pharmacists, as they often work for someone else) then you should not be in that line of work. It should not be up to the customer to try to find a provider or business owner who doesn't use Bronze Age Superstitions to do business by..

People throughout history have always been sheep. The only way to break that cycle is education. The problem is, we don't provide education to provide independent thought. We provide peer-pressured group-think as a form of propaganda.

Or you could try not being an asshole. That works, too.
 
Totally ridiculous argument as it would be up to the employer to determine whether they desire to keep that employee in service or not who has these religious beliefs that may inhibit them properly doing their job. That decision is not for you to make.

A couple of problems with this. Why does the Business Owner get the right to refuse to "violate his conscience" but the employee does not.

Seems pretty clear to me. If you don't want to violate your conscience (which is the case with these pharmacists, as they often work for someone else) then you should not be in that line of work. It should not be up to the customer to try to find a provider or business owner who doesn't use Bronze Age Superstitions to do business by..

People throughout history have always been sheep. The only way to break that cycle is education. The problem is, we don't provide education to provide independent thought. We provide peer-pressured group-think as a form of propaganda.

Or you could try not being an asshole. That works, too.
Easy.

The business owner actually owns the business. It is private property.

You, or anyone, have no right to determine anyone's conscience.

I agree. Go to someone else for your needs and stop being an asshole.
 
Seems a regular feature of your posts: self-hate reappears disguised as hatred of America.

Wow, being honest is hate? Really?
All that bad stuff happened. America has done some really bad stuff in it's history, and we are still living with it today.

It's like anything in life 1) Admit you did wrong and 2) make amends... Now, who said we should do that?

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Oh, yeah. That guy.
 
Oh STFU.
Enough of the revisionist bunk.
Gee...ever here of the anti-German league started by the Catholics. Hitler himself was raised Catholic, but was more than hostile to the religion and spoke against it numerous times. Catholic and Protestant churches alike all spoke out against the Nazi party, and all of those priest/ministers were removed and replaced in 1933.
Despite signing a worthless "treaty" with the Catholic church that "guaranteed" religious freedoms - the Nazis banned all religious organizations, schools, clubs and especially youth clubs.
It is beyond willful ignorance to try and say otherwise.

They spoke out if they were in a country that was at war with Germany. IN Germany, they quickly learned to love them some Hitler...

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Oh STFU.
Enough of the revisionist bunk.
Gee...ever here of the anti-German league started by the Catholics. Hitler himself was raised Catholic, but was more than hostile to the religion and spoke against it numerous times. Catholic and Protestant churches alike all spoke out against the Nazi party, and all of those priest/ministers were removed and replaced in 1933.
Despite signing a worthless "treaty" with the Catholic church that "guaranteed" religious freedoms - the Nazis banned all religious organizations, schools, clubs and especially youth clubs.
It is beyond willful ignorance to try and say otherwise.

They spoke out if they were in a country that was at war with Germany. IN Germany, they quickly learned to love them some Hitler...

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Easy.

The business owner actually owns the business. It is private property.

You, or anyone, have no right to determine anyone's conscience.

I agree. Go to someone else for your needs and stop being an asshole.

Nope... you only have a business because of massive state subsidies... Otherwise, you'd come in to a looted store in the morning.

SO let's try this. You can discriminate all you want, but the police have no obligation to protect your property.... the fire department won't respond to a fire.... you can't get utilities and plumbing the rest of us are paying for...

I mean, that seems fair.

But it seems to me that you can't defend the property owners right to a "Conscience" without doing the same for the poor girl who rings up the sales.

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Easy.

The business owner actually owns the business. It is private property.

You, or anyone, have no right to determine anyone's conscience.

I agree. Go to someone else for your needs and stop being an asshole.

Nope... you only have a business because of massive state subsidies... Otherwise, you'd come in to a looted store in the morning.

SO let's try this. You can discriminate all you want, but the police have no obligation to protect your property.... the fire department won't respond to a fire.... you can't get utilities and plumbing the rest of us are paying for...

I mean, that seems fair.

But it seems to me that you can't defend the property owners right to a "Conscience" without doing the same for the poor girl who rings up the sales.

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Wow, you are making things up now.

If you don't like that I won't give you drugs to kill someone, go somewhere else. It is MY business, and I have a right to a conscious and a right to exercise it.

This is NOT forcing anything on you as you are free to go elsewhere.
 

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