Does a liberal have the IQ to understand how Republican capitalist health care.....

[EdwardBaiamonte]

PPACA is explicitly about alleviating individuals of the responsibility of managing their own.

A liberal lacks the IQ to have any appreciation of this whatsoever. They don't know that being responsible makes you efficient with your money and more and more knowledgable about where to get the best goods and services.

It puts industry on notice that consumers only care about price and quality.

PPACA and other forms of liberal socialism insure that neither industry nor consumers care about quality or price.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

As for Ed dear, its his confusion about capitalism v communism that is getting him messed up. He believes that China is capitalistic and the US is Communistic.

if you have evidence of that I"ll pay you $10,000. Bet or run away with your liberal strawman tail between your legs, once again.

No, I won't bet you. That's a silly and childish thing to say.

Read what YOU yourself said in this thread.

And, since you are still calling names, including "dear", you're back on ignore. Grow up and take responsibility for your own words.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

No, I won't bet you.

ok I'll bet you $20,000. Please let me know, or let your silence on the issue speak to the lies you tell and cant defend.

See why we say the liberal will be slow?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

PPACA [Obamacare]is explicitly about alleviating individuals of the responsibility of managing their own health care expenses,

so this means they will not care if the cost goes up and up, which is very much like the current system.

 

[Toronado3800]

As for Ed dear, its his confusion about capitalism v communism that is getting him messed up. He believes that China is capitalistic and the US is Communistic.

if you have evidence of that I"ll pay you $10,000. Bet or run away with your liberal strawman tail between your legs, once again.

No, I won't bet you. That's a silly and childish thing to say.

Read what YOU yourself said in this thread.

And, since you are still calling names, including "dear", you're back on ignore. Grow up and take responsibility for your own words.

Ed, the posts praising capitalist growth in China make you look like you are well...praising their capitalism.

The ridiculous bets also do not play well in the Anglo world. They seem like a combination of a word game pre teen girls play and eight year old boy boasting. I have seen fifty year old Bosnian men hsing this as a bullying tactic in negotiations over furniture of all ridiculous things. Folks just look at the grown men behaving like a spoiled child like they are desperate trying to clench a last piece of manhood or something.

The Indians negotiate much but do not do that..... I have a theory about larger countries vs the tactics of smaller countries which always get walked over but have few examples.

Regardless if you bring uo the great Chinease capitalist system again I will remind you about your bet of hypocrisy.

Suffice it to say most would agree limited big government capitalism is playing well in China. Just try to sound less crazy about how Republican or capitalistic they are.

 

[Mr Natural]

No, I won't bet you.

ok I'll bet you $20,000. Please let me know, or let your silence on the issue speak to the lies you tell and cant defend.

See why we say the liberal will be slow?

Why not make it $1,000,000?

It's the internet, you'll never have to pay up anyway.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

No, I won't bet you.

ok I'll bet you $20,000. Please let me know, or let your silence on the issue speak to the lies you tell and cant defend.

See why we say the liberal will be slow?

Why not make it $1,000,000?

It's the internet, you'll never have to pay up anyway.

If he makes it ten thou and puts it in escrow, I'll take the bet.

Not.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

PPACA is explicitly about alleviating individuals of the responsibility of managing their own health care expenses, .

yes exactly, this means people will not care if the cost goes up and up, which is very much like the current system. Capitalism would be a far better system.

 

[Dragonlady]

yes exactly, this means people will not care if the cost goes up and up, which is very much like the current system. Capitalism would be a far better system.

Capitalism is what screwed up your healthcare system in the first place, giving you the most expensive care in the world, with the least amount of coverage for $$$ expended. Your system is administration heavy, since health insurance companies are in the business of keeping your premium money and denying claims. Or capping expenditures at medically unrealistic levels.

But you're not bright enough to figure it out.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Capitalism is what screwed up your healthcare system in the first place,.

Hate to rock your little world once again dear but liberals made capitalism illegal in Ameican health care in 1946 with passage of McCurran Ferguson Act. This is why it is illegal to buy health insurance across state lines. And now you know too. Sorry!!

A wise woman looks to the future and does not torture herself over past embarrassments no matter how large. Sorry!

 

[Dragonlady]

Hate to rock your little world once again dear but liberals made capitalism illegal in Ameican health care in 1946 with passage of McCurran Ferguson Act. This is why it is illegal to buy health insurance across state lines. And now you know too. Sorry!!

What does a bill about insurance have to do with health care???? It's the doctors and the hospitals and the drug companies that drive the cost of health care. Restricting insurance by states is puppy shit in terms of restrictions and it only serves to protect small, local companies from being outpriced by big-time conglomerates.

You're focuses on the wrong villains, Eddie, but you do that a lot.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

What does a bill about insurance have to do with health care???? .

actually dear a bill about health insurance has everything to do with health care since health insurance is used to pay for health care!!
Not so hard was it?

see why we are positive a liberal will be slow?

 

[Luddly Neddite]

There really are none so blind as those who choose to be.

And, then there's the fact that dumb little kid Ed dear STILL doesn't know the difference between capitalism and communism.

Dragonlady, if you haven't seen/read it, look into Money Driven Medicine, book and/or documentary.

Money-Driven Medicine

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Why is medical care in the United States so expensive? For decades, Americans have taken it as a matter of faith that we spend more because we have the best health care system in the world. But as costs levitate, that argument becomes more difficult to make. Today, we spend twice as much as Japan on health care—yet few would argue that our health care system is twice as good.

Instead, startling new evidence suggests that one out of every three of our health care dollars is squandered on unnecessary or redundant tests; unproven, sometimes unwanted procedures; and overpriced drugs and devices that, too often, are no better than the less expensive products they have replaced.

Read more at the link.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Ed STILL doesn't know the difference between capitalism and communism.

Can you say why you think I don't know the difference??

 

[Toronado3800]

Capitalism is what screwed up your healthcare system in the first place,.

Hate to rock your little world once again dear but liberals made capitalism illegal in Ameican health care in 1946 with passage of McCurran Ferguson Act. This is why it is illegal to buy health insurance across state lines. And now you know too. Sorry!!

A wise woman looks to the future and does not torture herself over past embarrassments no matter how large. Sorry!

Liberals.....


Strong states rights.....

Edward, I actually agree with you about states and insurance companies a bit.

Still, your decision to use federal regulation over state regulation and calling out liberals is interesting to say the least.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Ed dear STILL doesn't know the difference between capitalism and communism.

I don't?? If true why are you so afriad to say why you think I don't know. What does your fear tell us about the liberal IQ and character?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Restricting insurance by states is puppy shit in terms of restrictions

It is??? What would happen if every state had its own requirements for toothpaste just as they have their own requirements for health insurance??

You demonstrate what the OP said, that liberals lack the IQ to understand how capitalist health care would work.

 

[CultureCitizen]

This works on the same principle as nineteenth century markets. No restrictions, so prices were guaranteed to be lower and lower.
Uh, but monopolies developed, cornered markets, controlled prices and gouged everyone.
How does that work again?

we have long had anti-trust laws. Sorry!!!

See why we are positive a liberal will be slow??

I am sory , but those antitrust laws have not stopped medical consolidation to become ubiquitous over the last years.

google the following article "Healthcare consolidation to cause massive inflation".

So while I agree on the fact that having a free market will help on the long run, some stricter measures must be taken to ensure that conditions akin to perfect competition are in place in the healthcare market :
- High number of buyers and sellers - break up of monopolies
- Perfect information - Full disclosure of hospital prices and quality.

It is clear that these conditions have not existed in the last 40 years. Else the USA would not have the most expensive healthcare system in the world.

 

[Toronado3800]

Restricting insurance by states is puppy shit in terms of restrictions

It is??? What would happen if every state had its own requirements for toothpaste just as they have their own requirements for health insurance??

You demonstrate what the OP said, that liberals lack the IQ to understand how capitalist health care would work.

Ed, I agree with your support of federal regulation here over states rights even if it is a liberal reading of the constitution.

Quit calling folks names when we agree. I do not want ppl to think those who support streamined federal regulation over a fifty state system are jerks.