Burying ObamaCare

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    1. As Justice Roberts indicated, the Congress is the place where ObamaCare should be declined.

    a. “The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimates that there is “at least $50 billion in specified and estimated authorizations of discretionary spending that might be involved in implementing that legislation” and presumably that’s the spending Republicans can more easily de-fund.” DeMint Predicts 'A Very Intense Showdown' If Obama Opposes GOP Efforts To Defund Health Reform | ThinkProgress




    2. ObamaCare authorizes spending for various endeavors, but it does not appropriate enough money to do what, on the face, it appears to do. Federal bureaucrats use authorization bills as a matter of course, …but it is the appropriations that count! And these appropriations require the Republican House of Representatives.

    a. “Customarily, substantive legislation “authorizes” spending, but the funds to be spent must be separately “appropriated.” The ACA contains 64 specific authorizations to spend up to $105.6 billion and 51 general authorizations to spend “such sums as are necessary” over the period between 2010 and 2019. None of these funds will flow, however, unless Congress enacts specific appropriation bills.” MMS: Error


    b. “…section 1005 of the ACA appropriated $1 billion to support the cost of implementation in the Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS). This sum is a small fraction of the $5 billion to $10 billion that the Congressional Budget Office estimates the federal government will require between 2010 and 2019 to implement the ACA.” Ibid.


    c. It doesn’t appropriate funds for the IRS to make sure folks sign up, or grants to states to create “health insurance exchanges; and doesn’t even authorize funding for the administrative costs for states to expand Medicaid programs.





    3. If Republicans “gain a majority in either house of Congress, they could not only withhold needed appropriations but also bar the use of whatever funds are appropriated for ACA implementation, including the implementation of the provisions requiring individual people to buy insurance or businesses to offer it. They could bar the use of staff time for designing rules for implementation or for paying subsidies to support the purchase of insurance. They could even bar the DHHS from writing or issuing regulations or engaging in any other federal activity related to the creation of health insurance exchanges, even though the ACA provides funds for the DHHS to make grants to the states to set up those exchanges.” MMS: Error



    4. ‘The number and variety of restrictions Congress can impose in spending bills is almost unlimited. A bill passed by the House last year, for example, stipulated that no federal money could be used to buy light bulbs unless they met certain energy efficiency standards. The same bill said, “No funds appropriated in this act may be used for the transportation of students or teachers in order to overcome racial imbalance in any school.” House Republicans could easily pass similar provisos stating that no federal money could be used to carry out specific sections of the new health care law.’ http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/07/health/policy/07health.html




    5. “Should Congress block funding for those exchanges, it could cripple a centerpiece of reform and trigger a cascade of unintended consequences. Here's how that could happen. First, some states might bail on their plans to set up exchanges, citing their unaffordability in the absence of federal support. Second, the feds would have no money to set up its own exchanges in states that fail to do so, as the ACA requires. Any failure to create exchanges in states by 2014 would in turn block federal insurance subsidies to individuals and tax credits to small firms in those states. So individuals would still be required to buy insurance, but their employers would be less likely to cover them. If they didn't have insurance through their employer, they'd have to purchase it on their own without government help. The natural result: a consumer revolt in which many people would simply refuse to buy coverage,…” How Republicans Could Cripple Healthcare Reform by "Defunding" It - CBS News



    This is the way government should work.

    In November, the people will speak, and if the House remains Republican, and the Senate becomes Republican.....it won't matter if the fraud at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue remains.....


    But...there is this:


    "The common wisdom holds that 'both parties' have to appeal to the extremes during the primary and then move to the center for the general election. To the contrary, both parties run for office as conservatives. Once they have fooled the voters and are safely in office, Republicans sometimes double-cross the voters. Democrats always do."
    Coulter, 11-27-03
     
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    This is kind of sad at this point. A bunch of articles from 2010 speculating that "If Republicans gain a majority in either house of Congress, they could not only withhold needed appropriations but also bar the use of whatever funds are appropriated for ACA implementation...". Indeed, some people certainly did think that could happen.

    But I'm from the future--the year 2012!--and I can tell you what actually happened. I hope you're sitting down. The Republicans did indeed gain a majority in the House of Representatives in the 2010 elections. But they didn't defund shit.

    GOP hedges on health care funds - Jake Sherman and David Nather - POLITICO.com
    They even passed up an opportunity right before the 2012 election, as they wrote another 6-month continuing resolution to avoid a shutdown.

    House push to defund health care law unlikely - POLITICO.com
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    Perhaps you can enlighten me as to this question....

    ...are you totally ignorant as to the machinations of politics....

    ...or, is you post based on wishful thinking?




    A thorough study of the following may help:


    1. “One of the biggest surprises to President Barack Obama’s political operatives must be the ongoing unpopularity of “Obamacare

    2. The president continues to describe the law as his “signature achievement” — presumably more important than even the economic stimulus. Yet despite dozens of speeches on the subject from The Great Persuader, and the decision to tilt the law’s benefits so they take effect immediately while postponing the costs, the health care law continues to draw a thumbs down from a majority of Americans.

    3. …studies have demonstrated that the law will increase, not decrease, health care premiums and will likely push tens of thousands of workers into government-run exchanges.

    4. — the economy may not be a decisive GOP weapon. By contrast, “Obamacare” is. This “signature achievement” is uniquely the president’s and his party’s. It passed through questionable tactics (“deemed to be enacted”) and shady promises (“Cornhusker Kickback”) — maybe the worst since Congress passed the Kansas-Nebraska Act in the 1850s.

    5. The partisan cleavage over this issue comes as close as any to defining the differences between liberal Democrats (“Let us take care of you”) and conservative Republicans (“I can take care of my own family”).

    6. Who ever thought that health care could become a GOP wedge issue?

    Opinion: 'Obamacare' may be GOP's best wedge issue - Frank Donatelli - POLITICO.com
    So…it seems you couldn’t fathom the reason for the delay in defunding, huh?

    Need me to define ‘wedge issue’?



    BTW….do you work for the out-going government?
     
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    If's and but were candy and nutz, we'd all have a Merry Christmas.
    No sense in crying over spilt milk, move on with your life.
     
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    Why would Romney sign a bill that repeals RomneyCare?
     
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    Why, drop-draws!

    How nice to see your smiling......face.



    No surprise here, but you seem to have misunderstood the post.

    You see, "spilt milk" implies the the opportunity to defund ObamaCare is over.....

    ...au contraire!

    The OP outlines a strategy most opportune in the period after the Democrats lose the Congress, and the White House....i.e., after the November election.


    And won't that be delightfully ironic!
    You'll be able to watch the Republicans do to Obama's 'signature achievement' just what Obama has been doing to the United States Constitution.


    And,so....homage to the future!

    There will be time, there will be time
    To prepare a face to meet the faces that you meet;
    There will be time to murder and create,
    And time for all the works and days of hands
    That lift and drop a question on your plate;
    Time for you and time for me,
    And time yet for a hundred indecisions,
    And for a hundred visions and revisions,
    Before the taking of a toast and tea.

    T.S.Eliot
     

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