Do you Support a Constitutional Amendment to Forbid Birthright Citizenship to Children of Illegals?

[JakeStarkey]

Tough to be anti-immigrant, fools, for you do not get to redefine what you are.

You can't hide from the voters.

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

Tough to be anti-immigrant, fools, for you do not get to redefine what you are.

You can't hide from the voters.

In the end who did the voters choose to side with exactly ... Republicans or Obama with all this illegal immigrantion rhetoric? Wasn't his argument for amnesty able to bring more like minded individuals to the polls, who share in his views? Who is hiding from voters?

 

[JakeStarkey]

The anti-immigrant nativists of the far right are trying to hide, and Boehner is not buying it. Come on, guys, unfriend Boehner on FB and be done with it.

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

The anti-immigrant nativists of the far right are trying to hide, and Boehner is not buying it. Come on, guys, unfriend Boehner on FB and be done with it.

Not sure your view is shared by those immigrants who came here "legally". I bumped into someone today who just happened to be talking about the rising food prices. I agreed things are tough right now. She then said she came here from Italy, went through the whole long process to be a citizen here she said, and was rather upset to see what this president is planning to do with his views over the illegals that are here. Perhaps you should talk to those who attained citizenship under the law and see what THEY have to say about it. After all, they went through the immigration process, their views carry a little more weight than yours.

 

[JakeStarkey]

She may well feel that way, but let's see if the GOP's continued opposition to the EO brings a negative effect, a major negative effect, in the presidential election.

 

[Oldglory1]

The anti-immigrant nativists of the far right are trying to hide, and Boehner is not buying it. Come on, guys, unfriend Boehner on FB and be done with it.

You just continue to lie, don't you? Who is anti-"immigrant"? It is illegal aliens that the objection is about. Nativism has nothing to do with that.

 

[Oldglory1]

Tough to be anti-immigrant, fools, for you do not get to redefine what you are.

You can't hide from the voters.

Again, with your lies. Those who oppose "illegal" immigration are not anti-"immigrant".. They have no problem with those who come here legally.

 

[jillian]

Do you Support a Constitutional Amendment to Forbid Birthright Citizenship to Children of Illegals?

then what is citizenship based on? blood? like in the third reich?

 

[jillian]

The anti-immigrant nativists of the far right are trying to hide, and Boehner is not buying it. Come on, guys, unfriend Boehner on FB and be done with it.

You just continue to lie, don't you? Who is anti-"immigrant"? It is illegal aliens that the objection is about. Nativism has nothing to do with that.

not if you think someone born here should be denied citizenship

 

[Sunni Man]

then what is citizenship based on? blood? like in the third reich?

It never fails.

Every time a juden posts they have to bring up either the Nazis or the Holohoax. ... .

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

The anti-immigrant nativists of the far right are trying to hide, and Boehner is not buying it. Come on, guys, unfriend Boehner on FB and be done with it.

You just continue to lie, don't you? Who is anti-"immigrant"? It is illegal aliens that the objection is about. Nativism has nothing to do with that.

not if you think someone born here should be denied citizenship

It's about complying with immigration laws that treat all immigrants equally. Granting amnesty treats one group of immigrants differently than those who go through the long process of actually OBEYING the law. Laws need to be applied to ALL who seek citizenship, not giving special "exception" to any one group over another.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The anti-immigrant nativists of the far right are trying to hide, and Boehner is not buying it. Come on, guys, unfriend Boehner on FB and be done with it.

You just continue to lie, don't you? Who is anti-"immigrant"? It is illegal aliens that the objection is about. Nativism has nothing to do with that.

not if you think someone born here should be denied citizenship

It's about complying with immigration laws that treat all immigrants equally. Granting amnesty treats one group of immigrants differently than those who go through the long process of actually OBEYING the law. Laws need to be applied to ALL who seek citizenship, not giving special "exception" to any one group over another.

Which is why no one is advocating for 'amnesty,' not the president, not anyone in Congress.

Indeed, 14th Amendment jurisprudence has nothing to do with the issue of illegal immigration per se, because those born here are American citizens, regardless the status of their parents.

It's perfectly appropriate to address the issue of illegal immigration, it is not appropriate to seek punitive measures against citizens of the United States in violation of the Constitution.

That those hostile to Hispanics entering the country absent authorization perceive 14th Amendment jurisprudence as an 'incentive' to continued illegal immigration is not justification to indeed violate the 14th Amendment, or advocate for its repeal.

 

[jillian]

The anti-immigrant nativists of the far right are trying to hide, and Boehner is not buying it. Come on, guys, unfriend Boehner on FB and be done with it.

You just continue to lie, don't you? Who is anti-"immigrant"? It is illegal aliens that the objection is about. Nativism has nothing to do with that.

not if you think someone born here should be denied citizenship

It's about complying with immigration laws that treat all immigrants equally. Granting amnesty treats one group of immigrants differently than those who go through the long process of actually OBEYING the law. Laws need to be applied to ALL who seek citizenship, not giving special "exception" to any one group over another.

again, absent birth, what do you think is the appropriate measure of citizenship?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The anti-immigrant nativists of the far right are trying to hide, and Boehner is not buying it. Come on, guys, unfriend Boehner on FB and be done with it.

You just continue to lie, don't you? Who is anti-"immigrant"? It is illegal aliens that the objection is about. Nativism has nothing to do with that.

not if you think someone born here should be denied citizenship

It's about complying with immigration laws that treat all immigrants equally. Granting amnesty treats one group of immigrants differently than those who go through the long process of actually OBEYING the law. Laws need to be applied to ALL who seek citizenship, not giving special "exception" to any one group over another.

again, absent birth, what do you think is the appropriate measure of citizenship?

And, absent birth, who should have the authority to make that determination – certainly not capricious and partisan bureaucrats, politicians, and political appointees.

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

The anti-immigrant nativists of the far right are trying to hide, and Boehner is not buying it. Come on, guys, unfriend Boehner on FB and be done with it.

You just continue to lie, don't you? Who is anti-"immigrant"? It is illegal aliens that the objection is about. Nativism has nothing to do with that.

not if you think someone born here should be denied citizenship

It's about complying with immigration laws that treat all immigrants equally. Granting amnesty treats one group of immigrants differently than those who go through the long process of actually OBEYING the law. Laws need to be applied to ALL who seek citizenship, not giving special "exception" to any one group over another.

Which is why no one is advocating for 'amnesty,' not the president, not anyone in Congress.

Indeed, 14th Amendment jurisprudence has nothing to do with the issue of illegal immigration per se, because those born here are American citizens, regardless the status of their parents.

It's perfectly appropriate to address the issue of illegal immigration, it is not appropriate to seek punitive measures against citizens of the United States in violation of the Constitution.

That those hostile to Hispanics entering the country absent authorization perceive 14th Amendment jurisprudence as an 'incentive' to continued illegal immigration is not justification to indeed violate the 14th Amendment, or advocate for its repeal.

We have Federal Immigration Laws that dictate a "process" to which one can attain legal citizenship. This is the same procedure that immigrants overseas must comply to in order to gain status that enables them to become Americans. There is no need to bring about a seperate set of procedures because you want to treat these immigrants to a different set of rules and standards than others MUST adhere to. There is no reason, or excuse that can be made for it that would maintain a level playing field with those who DO endure the only process available to them UNDER THE LAW.

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

The anti-immigrant nativists of the far right are trying to hide, and Boehner is not buying it. Come on, guys, unfriend Boehner on FB and be done with it.

You just continue to lie, don't you? Who is anti-"immigrant"? It is illegal aliens that the objection is about. Nativism has nothing to do with that.

not if you think someone born here should be denied citizenship

It's about complying with immigration laws that treat all immigrants equally. Granting amnesty treats one group of immigrants differently than those who go through the long process of actually OBEYING the law. Laws need to be applied to ALL who seek citizenship, not giving special "exception" to any one group over another.

again, absent birth, what do you think is the appropriate measure of citizenship?

Parents of children who are illegal immigrants still had broken the law and gain no position of status to become citizens outside of what the Federal Law allows. These parents who broke the law are still subject to deportation, as well as those children who are otherwise left with no one to care for them. That is the Federal Law that each and every immigrant must subject themselves to WITHOUT prejudice. When you become a US citizen you are subject to its laws. How can one take an oath of citizenship, when a violation of law they are supposed to be subject to adhering to is already evident?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Shakles, "[T] here is [a] need to bring about a separate set of procedures" by EO when a rogue House will not govern. The House was not elected to obstruct.

Pass the Senate Bill sitting on Boehner's desk.

 

[bodecea]

Do you Support a Constitutional Amendment to Forbid Birthright Citizenship to Children of Illegals?

This is ignorant and makes no sense.

The 14th Amendment would first need to be repealed, which would be unmitigated insanity. The 14th Amendment acknowledges the fundamental rights of all persons in the United States, it safeguards those rights from capricious majorities hostile to minority classes of persons, and prohibits politicians and bureaucrats from deciding who is or is not a citizen motivated by purely partisan reasons.

We do not want politicians and bureaucrats deciding who will or will not have his civil liberties.

There's a lot of posters here who, if given the chance, would repeal the 14th amendment.

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

Shakles, "[T] here is [a] need to bring about a separate set of procedures" by EO when a rogue House will not govern. The House was not elected to obstruct.

Pass the Senate Bill sitting on Boehner's desk.

There is already a Federal Immigration law in place that has been passed which every inbound immigrant had to adhere to and follow if they want to become a citizen. It's the same process that has been used since the 50s, and has been a very good job of setting the same equal footing for ALL immigrants to follow regardless of where they happen to reside from.

 

[Oldglory1]

Shakles, "[T] here is [a] need to bring about a separate set of procedures" by EO when a rogue House will not govern. The House was not elected to obstruct.

Pass the Senate Bill sitting on Boehner's desk.

Neither the House nor the Senate should enact legislation that is a detriment to our own citizens. That is precisely what the Senate bill is so why should the House pass it? Obstructing is a good thing in this case.