Do you believe Jesus???

[skye]

I do

I do believe in Jesus

 

[Moonglow]

I do

I do believe in Jesus

I prefer Jello...

 

[skye]

I do

I do believe in Jesus

I prefer Jello...

that's up to you ....its your jello life

not mine

 

[Moonglow]

I do

I do believe in Jesus

I prefer Jello...

that's up to you ....its your jello life

not mine

Well now, it all depends on taste...

 

[skye]

I do

I do believe in Jesus

I prefer Jello...

that's up to you ....its your jello life

not mine

Well now, it all depends on taste...

No

taste? scummy taste,...what blabber... what waste of time you are

 

[skye]

I do believe in Jesus....I do believe in great souls ....all across the Universe.... higher souls than we are

 

[Moonglow]

I do believe in Jesus....I do believe in great souls ....all across the Universe.... higher souls than we are

Jesus is high? On your list of deities? What happened to his Dad?

 

[frigidweirdo]

Jesus taught--John 17:1-6,26---- he said--the one who sent him( Father) is THE ONLY TRUE GOD--and one must know him( take in knowledge) and know Jesus to get eternal life--verse 6= YHVH( Jehovah) 26 = YHVH( Jehovah)

Why do Trinitarians refuse to believe Jesus? Jesus said--proof of ones love for him was by listening to HIM--- listening entails--learning every teaching and applying every teaching.

If one listened to Jesus at John 17:1-6--then they would know this ultra important truth---Matt 6:33-- Therefore, keep on seeking-FIRST- the kingdom and his( Jehovah) righteousness and all these other things will be added.( sustenance, covering, spirituality)

Then when one apply' that ultra important truth, then they know that John 4:22-24 is a daily occurrence in true followers lives.
But its as Jesus taught--- on account of his name, they do not know the one who sent me. John 15:20-21

The one who sent Jesus= Father= the only true living God=YHVH)Jehovah)

BELIEVE JESUS.

What does "believe in Jesus" actually mean?

Believe he existed?
Believe he is the son of God?
Believe the stories?

It could mean a lot of things.

 

[LittleNipper]

The real problem with JW's is that they deny Christ and they deny the GOD given understanding --- through the Holy Spirit ---- of the revealed nature of GOD. They in fact define GOD by human understand of presence --- namely, "I'm singular (one) therefore GOD being ONE must be singular." They are blind to the fact that GOD HIMSELF SAVES and not some additional created being sent on His behalf. The revealed fact is that GOD the Father is the Orchestrator/Director of History portion. Christ the Savior is the visual manifestation portion of that which is invisible. The Holy Spirit/Ghost is the Comforter & Motivator portion. God is a UNITED singularly motivated reality that has eternally existed as three entities in a singular essence ---- inseparable until Christ assumed the sins of world.

It was at that moment that moment ---- when Christ was Crucified --- that God the Father had to foresake His only begotten son. The correct understanding of "Only Begotten" is to be the only one of its type or class --- unique in kind. THIS in and of itself makes what Christ did at Calvary stupendously mind blowing! And this is what JW's cast aside.

What Jesus Christ did had to be out of pure LOVE. He became sin on our behalf and overcome it! Christ is now reunited with the Father. And now the Holy Spirit is COME motivating people to repentance and believe in CHRIST! Then the Holy Spirit comforts and offers guidance to those who come to believe.

 

[skye]

I do believe in Jesus....I do believe in great souls ....all across the Universe.... higher souls than we are

Jesus is high? On your list of deities? What happened to his Dad?

Dad comes first

always has always will

 

[frigidweirdo]

The real problem with JW's is that they deny Christ and they deny the GOD given understanding --- through the Holy Spirit ---- of the revealed nature of GOD. They in fact define GOD by human understand of presence --- namely, "I'm singular (one) therefore GOD being ONE must be singular." They are blind to the fact that GOD HIMSELF SAVES and not some additional created being sent on His behalf. The revealed fact is that GOD the Father is the Orchestrator/Director of History portion. Christ the Savior is the visual manifestation portion of that which is invisible. The Holy Spirit/Ghost is the Comforter & Motivator portion. God is a UNITED singularly motivated reality that has eternally existed as three entities as one essence ---- inseparable until Christ assumed the sins of world.

It was at that moment that moment ---- when Christ was Crucified --- that God the Father had to withdraw from His ONLY Begotten Son.

Why would all of that be a "problem"?

 

[LittleNipper]

The real problem with JW's is that they deny Christ and they deny the GOD given understanding --- through the Holy Spirit ---- of the revealed nature of GOD. They in fact define GOD by human understand of presence --- namely, "I'm singular (one) therefore GOD being ONE must be singular." They are blind to the fact that GOD HIMSELF SAVES and not some additional created being sent on His behalf. The revealed fact is that GOD the Father is the Orchestrator/Director of History portion. Christ the Savior is the visual manifestation portion of that which is invisible. The Holy Spirit/Ghost is the Comforter & Motivator portion. God is a UNITED singularly motivated reality that has eternally existed as three entities as one essence ---- inseparable until Christ assumed the sins of world.

It was at that moment that moment ---- when Christ was Crucified --- that God the Father had to withdraw from His ONLY Begotten Son.

Why would all of that be a "problem"?

Because GOD not only orchestrated SALVATION, He accomplished it HISELF through HIS own pain and suffering. JW's devalue Jesus, distort the GODHEAD, and disclaim eternal separation for unbelievers. They in essence deny CHRIST (God with us).

 

[frigidweirdo]

Because GOD not only orchestrated SALVATION, He accomplished it HISELF through HIS own pain and suffering. JW's devalue Jesus, distort the GODHEAD, and disclaim eternal separation for unbelievers. They in essence deny CHRIST (God with us).

And you can prove this hey?

I guess I deny Christ too. Unless of course I hurt my toe, in which case I might call for Christ, with a few other words.

 

[LittleNipper]

oThe real problem with JW's is that they deny Christ and they deny the GOD given understanding --- through the Holy Spirit ---- of the revealed nature of GOD. They in fact define GOD by human understand of presence --- namely, "I'm singular (one) therefore GOD being ONE must be singular." They are blind to the fact that GOD HIMSELF SAVES and not some additional created being sent on His behalf. The revealed fact is that GOD the Father is the Orchestrator/Director of History portion. Christ the Savior is the visual manifestation portion of that which is invisible. The Holy Spirit/Ghost is the Comforter & Motivator portion. God is a UNITED singularly motivated reality that has eternally existed as three entities in a singular essence ---- inseparable until Christ assumed the sins of world.

It was at that moment that moment ---- when Christ was Crucified --- that God the Father had to foresake His only begotten son. The correct understanding of "Only Begotten" is to be the only one of its type or class --- unique in kind. THIS in and of itself makes what Christ did at Calvary stupendously mind blowing! And this is what JW's cast aside.

What Jesus Christ did had to be out of pure LOVE. He became sin on our behalf and overcome it! Christ is now reunited with the Father. And now the Holy Spirit is COME motivating people to repentance and believe in CHRIST! Then the Holy Spirit comforts and offers guidance to those who come to believe.

The understand what the JW's believe concerning CHRIST is to simply read the Watch Tower and Awake. They condemn themselves.

 

[frigidweirdo]

oThe real problem with JW's is that they deny Christ and they deny the GOD given understanding --- through the Holy Spirit ---- of the revealed nature of GOD. They in fact define GOD by human understand of presence --- namely, "I'm singular (one) therefore GOD being ONE must be singular." They are blind to the fact that GOD HIMSELF SAVES and not some additional created being sent on His behalf. The revealed fact is that GOD the Father is the Orchestrator/Director of History portion. Christ the Savior is the visual manifestation portion of that which is invisible. The Holy Spirit/Ghost is the Comforter & Motivator portion. God is a UNITED singularly motivated reality that has eternally existed as three entities in a singular essence ---- inseparable until Christ assumed the sins of world.

It was at that moment that moment ---- when Christ was Crucified --- that God the Father had to foresake His only begotten son. The correct understanding of "Only Begotten" is to be the only one of its type or class --- unique in kind. THIS in and of itself makes what Christ did at Calvary stupendously mind blowing! And this is what JW's cast aside.

What Jesus Christ did had to be out of pure LOVE. He became sin on our behalf and overcome it! Christ is now reunited with the Father. And now the Holy Spirit is COME motivating people to repentance and believe in CHRIST! Then the Holy Spirit comforts and offers guidance to those who come to believe.

The understand what the JW's believe concerning CHRIST is to simply read the Watch Tower and Awake. They condemn themselves.

Still not sure why denying Christ is a problem.

 

[HaShev]

The way I see it as an outsider looking in on the sectarian
hatreds is that most sects hate JW's for thinking Jesus is the Actual Biblical Messiah Michael, yet the irony is this very issue with Christians who see Jesus as the Biblical YHWH. Christians can see a sect within make the mistake of convergence yet not ever recognize where they themselves are doing the very same thing they hate.

JW'S only think Jesus was Michael because Rome creating the one world religion stole all the roles and plagiarized the Bible figures, hence made him a Thief of the Night.
Christians only think Jesus is Yhwh for the same exact reason, because Rome made a figure to surpass and replace Yhwh with Baal's son as a mask for Baal worship.
By combining God and messenger as one they steal from both God and Michael.
At least the JW's are closer to Judaic teachings.
The sects arguing is liken to a buyers club group arguing over who got swindled for the least anount of membership fees. They all got taken/deceived by Rome no matter how much they preach against Rome they still bought the dung beetle.

 

[kjw47]

Jesus taught--John 17:1-6,26---- he said--the one who sent him( Father) is THE ONLY TRUE GOD--and one must know him( take in knowledge) and know Jesus to get eternal life--verse 6= YHVH( Jehovah) 26 = YHVH( Jehovah)

Why do Trinitarians refuse to believe Jesus? Jesus said--proof of ones love for him was by listening to HIM--- listening entails--learning every teaching and applying every teaching.

If one listened to Jesus at John 17:1-6--then they would know this ultra important truth---Matt 6:33-- Therefore, keep on seeking-FIRST- the kingdom and his( Jehovah) righteousness and all these other things will be added.( sustenance, covering, spirituality)

Then when one apply' that ultra important truth, then they know that John 4:22-24 is a daily occurrence in true followers lives.
But its as Jesus taught--- on account of his name, they do not know the one who sent me. John 15:20-21

The one who sent Jesus= Father= the only true living God=YHVH)Jehovah)

BELIEVE JESUS.

Jesus Christ is LORD. Christians are to worship Jesus Christ. Christ emptied Himself to assume a human identity. The book of Revelation is the revelation of Christ's true identity. Christ is the material manifestation of the invisible God. The Godhead is made up of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The eternal GOD is an eternal GODHEAD.

So then when John 1:1 teaches the word was with God you are actually teaching--God was with God with another God( HS) over there--how many Gods is that?
Or rev 3:12---God has a God
your religion lives in darkness--RUN.

a small g god is in the last line of John 1:1--carries the meaning--has godlike qualities, because of this-Acts 2:22--Gods power went through Jesus. Jesus has 0 power without God doing it all. Last line Lords prayer--The KINGDOM, POWER, and GLORY all belong to the Father--believe Jesus.

At the end of the 1000 year reign as Gods appointed king( Daniel 7:13-15) Jesus hands back the kingdom to his God and Father and subjects himself-forever-1Cor 15:24-28.

"I've heard that Jesus never actually claimed He was God." REALLY?

John 14:7-10 [7] If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him." [8] Philip said, "Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us." [9] Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, `Show us the Father'? [10] Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.
John 10:30 "I and the Father are one."
John 14:11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves.
John 10:37-38 [37] Do not believe me unless I do what my Father does. [38] But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father."
Matthew 27:43 He trusts in God. Let God rescue him now if he wants him, for he said, 'I am the Son of God.'"
John 17:11 I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name--the name you gave me--so that they may be one as we are one.

"When Jesus said 'I and the Father are one' didn't He just mean they are of one accord, they are merely like-minded?"
Considering the overall content of the Bible, this cannot be:

The Greek word he used, heis, is the word for the number one. It is a reference to the Shema, the core tenet of Judaism, "Sh'ma, Yisrael, Adonai Eloheynu Adonai echad," which, using Christian terminology is, "Hear, O Israel, Jehovah is our God. Jehovah is one."

John 10:31-33 [31] Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, [32] but Jesus said to them, "I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?" [33] "We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God."
John 17:5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.
John 17:10 [Speaking to the Father] All I have is yours, and all you have is mine. And glory has come to me through them.

Note: "Son of Man" was a term referring to the expected Messiah.
Mark 14:61b-62 [61b] Again the high priest asked him, "Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One?" [62] "I am," said Jesus. "And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven."
Luke 22:66-70 [66] At daybreak the council of the elders of the people, both the chief priests and teachers of the law, met together, and Jesus was led before them. [67] "If you are the Christ, " they said, "tell us." Jesus answered, "If I tell you, you will not believe me, [68] and if I asked you, you would not answer. [69] But from now on, the Son of Man will be seated at the right hand of the mighty God." [70] They all asked, "Are you then the Son of God?" He replied, "You are right in saying I am."
Daniel 7:13-14 [13] "In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. [14] He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.

Jesus clearly and repeatedly indicated that He is not the one who "calls the shots".
John 14:31 the world must learn that I love the Father and that I do exactly what my Father has commanded me.
John 7:16 Jesus answered, "My teaching is not my own. It comes from him who sent me."
John 8:42 Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me."
John 17:3-12 [3] Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. [4] I have brought you glory on earth by completing the work you gave me to do. [5] And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began. [6] I have revealed you to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word. [7] Now they know that everything you have given me comes from you. [8] For I gave them the words you gave me and they accepted them. They knew with certainty that I came from you, and they believed that you sent me. [9] I pray for them. I am not praying for the world, but for those you have given me, for they are yours. [10] All I have is yours, and all you have is mine. And glory has come to me through them. [11] I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name--the name you gave me--so that they may be one as we are one. [12] While I was with them, I protected them and kept them safe by that name you gave me. None has been lost except the one doomed to destruction so that Scripture would be fulfilled.


The Tanakh -- The New JPS Translation
(c) 1985 by the Jewish Publication Society
Proverbs 30:4 [JPS] Who has ascended heaven and come down?
Who has gathered up the wind in the hollow of his hand?
Who has wrapped the waters in his garment?
Who has established all the extremeties of the earth?
What is his name or his son's name, if you know it?

Proverbs 30:4 [NKJV] Who has ascended into heaven, or descended? Who has gathered the wind in His fists? Who has bound the waters in a garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is His name, and what is His Son's name, if you know?

THE HEBREW BIBLE (THE OLD TESTAMENT) SAYS THAT GOD WOULD COME TO EARTH AS A HUMAN MALE.
Isaiah 9:6-7 [6] For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. [7] Of the increase of his government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on David's throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever. ...

Yes, Jesus is the image of his Father, The image is never the real thing( Jesus lives 24/7, 365 doing the Fathers will)--Jesus is the firstborn of all creation( created direct-first and last) all other things created through him( Coll 1:15,, Acts 2:22)

The HS -NEVER said Jesus was God----- It would be a direct contradiction of Jesus and his real teachers--John 20:17, Rev 3:12---2Cor 1:3, 1Cor 8:6, 1Cor 15:24-28--- 1Peter 1:3--- Rev 1:6--all 100% in agreement--Jesus has a God-his Father--- so unless God has a God--the trinity religions are not Gods. In fact a single teaching proves they are not Gods--Mark 3:24-26--a house divided will not stand.
Trinity translations are filled with error--Israelite history and Jesus' teachings prove it is fact.

 

[kjw47]

Jesus taught--John 17:1-6,26---- he said--the one who sent him( Father) is THE ONLY TRUE GOD--and one must know him( take in knowledge) and know Jesus to get eternal life--verse 6= YHVH( Jehovah) 26 = YHVH( Jehovah)

Why do Trinitarians refuse to believe Jesus? Jesus said--proof of ones love for him was by listening to HIM--- listening entails--learning every teaching and applying every teaching.

If one listened to Jesus at John 17:1-6--then they would know this ultra important truth---Matt 6:33-- Therefore, keep on seeking-FIRST- the kingdom and his( Jehovah) righteousness and all these other things will be added.( sustenance, covering, spirituality)

Then when one apply' that ultra important truth, then they know that John 4:22-24 is a daily occurrence in true followers lives.
But its as Jesus taught--- on account of his name, they do not know the one who sent me. John 15:20-21

The one who sent Jesus= Father= the only true living God=YHVH)Jehovah)

BELIEVE JESUS.

What does "believe in Jesus" actually mean?

Believe he existed?
Believe he is the son of God?
Believe the stories?

It could mean a lot of things.

My post didn't say believe in Jesus--it said--believe Jesus= his teachings--every true follower on earth learn and apply every single teaching Jesus gave to us--- it is so important that this is done that the only time God spoke from heaven in the nt he said---This is my son the beloved in whom I am well pleased--LISTEN TO HIM.---- Jesus' real teachings are not taught in any church on this earth. Very few of them. Like this ultra important one Few even know.
Matt 6:33-- Therefore, keep on seeking first the kingdom and his( Jehovah) righteousness and all these other things will be added.( sustenance, covering, spirituality)
One must go through Jesus to get to the Father, then one accomplishes this super important daily thing--John 4:22-24--never taught in a building called a church.

 

[kjw47]

The way I see it as an outsider looking in on the sectarian
hatreds is that most sects hate JW's for thinking Jesus is the Actual Biblical Messiah Michael, yet the irony is this very issue with Christians who see Jesus as the Biblical YHWH. Christians can see a sect within make the mistake of convergence yet not ever recognize where they themselves are doing the very same thing they hate.

JW'S only think Jesus was Michael because Rome creating the one world religion stole all the roles and plagiarized the Bible figures, hence made him a Thief of the Night.
Christians only think Jesus is Yhwh for the same exact reason, because Rome made a figure to surpass and replace Yhwh with Baal's son as a mask for Baal worship.
By combining God and messenger as one they steal from both God and Michael.
At least the JW's are closer to Judaic teachings.
The sects arguing is liken to a buyers club group arguing over who got swindled for the least anount of membership fees. They all got taken/deceived by Rome no matter how much they preach against Rome they still bought the dung beetle.

there is 0 doubt in all of creation the JW,s have it right.

 

[HaShev]

careless fallacious quote"Jesus lives
24/7, 365 doing the Fathers will"

Wrong, wrong WRONG!
1)he never lived only the many figures used to create his story and image lived, read my Seinfeld analogy about discerning real figures from fictional ones.
2)the character is dead, if you say he isn't then it's your burden of proof to bring him here, so wake up your missing stick figure and make your case....no? Then you sre a liar, to yourself and to others.
3) A Holy Father in Heaven(time to come) is not God anymore then you'd consider a future Pope to Be God.
However in relations to an archaic age in the past, messaging, mediating, teaching, and leading it out of chaos and bringing order is reflecting that Essence we call God (Creation) and thus can be "mistaken as their God their Lord" (meaning king), but is a mistaken precept.
The creation is about life and progressing of Life, bringing order, Jesus was twaching death cultism saying in Matt & Thomas he did not come to bring Shalem or Shalom, he came to bring division and a melting away of the planet likexthe end of the earth from the scorch of the sun (sun worship symbolism).
Therefore Jesus is not doing the(holy father's) head of hosts will, he even claimed to be the nemesis of that holy Father therefore the father not named by Rome must be Baal.