Do You Believe In Coincidences????

It's merely COINCIDENCE that every time Democrats are in power the prices of oil and gas skyrocket, the economy begins to collapse and your life becomes worse.
It's merely COINCIDENCE that the opposite happens when Republicans take back Congress or the presidency.
It's also merely COINCIDENCE that a man drenched in Ukrainian corruption schemes ends up with a Ukrainian war on his hands.

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This was posted in this very thread.

No. . . the day before the conference he sent Chamberlain word of encouragement. . . that isn't necessarily a verbatum endorsement of appeasment.

You are making a leap of . . . well, faulty reasoning.
 
I find the dumbest among us claim an equivalence between the parties.

Watch me prove it false.



The Democrat Party is now running on full-blown anti-white racism,

socialism,

infanticide,

opposition to free speech,

standing with criminals and felons rather than law-abiding citizens

substituting illegal alien voters for the American citizenry,

support for rioters, arsonists, murderers, and anarchists,

accepting payment from Communist China for future considerations,

and anti-Semitism… the knuckle-dragging, atavistic pagan party.





Bet you can't provide a similar indictment for the other party.
And the right? They are providing a foil. This is absolutely necessary to deflect the anger of the masses from the failures and foibles of the ruling classes. It has been this way since the time of ancient Rome and the beginnings of Empire.

. . . and you fancy yourself intelligent. :heehee:

This is how the ruling elites have ALWAYS operated.

You are so dense, and so engaged in the matrix of partisan politics, your whole ego depends on it. . . I could never, ever bring you out of the cult of STATISM and the partisanship upon which your whole ego relies. It is your whole world girl. You do NOT WANT TO WAKE UP.

Of course the "different," parties engage in different types of social world views, and social policies, but in the end? The basic STATE policies, always end up the same.

:rolleyes:

iu



 
No. . . the day before the conference he sent Chamberlain word of encouragement. . . that isn't necessarily a verbatum endorsement of appeasment.

You are making a leap of . . . well, faulty reasoning.


You have a terrible problem, being unable to accept being wrong.

https://larouchepub.com › eiw › public › 2014 › eirv41n08-20140221 › 34-35_4108.pdf
Ukraine: The Budapest Memorandum of 1994 The following is the text of the Memorandum on Secu-rity Assurances, known as the Budapest Memorandum, in connection with Ukraine's accession to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, signed Dec. 5, 1994. The United States of America, the Russian Federa-

Ukraine: The Budapest Memorandum of 1994 | Policy Memos ...

https://policymemos.hks.harvard.edu › links › ukraine-budapest-memorandum-1994
The following is the text of the Memorandum on Security Assurances, known as the Budapest Memorandum, in connection with Ukraine's accession to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, signed Dec. 5, 1994.

Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances
The Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances comprises three identical political agreements signed at the OSCE conference in Budapest, Hungary on 5 December 1994 to provide security assurances by its signatories relating to the accession of Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT). The memorandum was originally signed by three nuclear ...

Explainer: The Budapest Memorandum And Its Relevance To Crimea

https://www.rferl.org › a › ukraine-explainer-budapest-memorandum › 25280502.html
The "Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances" is a diplomatic memorandum that was signed in December 1994 by Ukraine, Russia, the United States, and the United Kingdom.




But have no fear, I will continue to educate you, and help you work toward becoming a better person.
 
And the right? They are providing a foil. This is absolutely necessary to deflect the anger of the masses from the failures and foibles of the ruling classes. It has been this way since the time of ancient Rome and the beginnings of Empire.

. . . and you fancy yourself intelligent. :heehee:

This is how the ruling elites have ALWAYS operated.

You are so dense, and so engaged in the matrix of partisan politics, your whole ego depends on it. . . I could never, ever bring you out of the cult of STATISM and the partisanship upon which your whole ego relies. It is your whole world girl. You do NOT WANT TO WAKE UP.

Of course the "different," parties engage in different types of social world views, and social policies, but in the end? The basic STATE policies, always end up the same.

:rolleyes:

iu







'This was your challenge .....and you've failed miserably.

Another chance???

The Democrat Party is now running on full-blown anti-white racism,

socialism,

infanticide,

opposition to free speech,

standing with criminals and felons rather than law-abiding citizens

substituting illegal alien voters for the American citizenry,

support for rioters, arsonists, murderers, and anarchists,

accepting payment from Communist China for future considerations,

and anti-Semitism… the knuckle-dragging, atavistic pagan party.





Bet you can't provide a similar indictment for the other party.





As far as 'intelligent,'.....let's just say I'm somewhere between intelligent and you.
 
It's merely COINCIDENCE that every time Democrats are in power the prices of oil and gas skyrocket, the economy begins to collapse and your life becomes worse.
It's merely COINCIDENCE that the opposite happens when Republicans take back Congress or the presidency.
It's also merely COINCIDENCE that a man drenched in Ukrainian corruption schemes ends up with a Ukrainian war on his hands.

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As you have found, dunce, everything I post is linked, sourced and documented......hence, 100% true, accurate and correct.


And your post just helped prove it.

You have proven a useful tool.....inadvertent, but useful.


Now....dismissed.
I have never came across a leftist yet that can show proof of anything they say. Nor have I found one that can acknowledge it when they see it. They don't care for truth. Truth will always be a pesky little thing in their world view.
 
I have never came across a leftist yet that can show proof of anything they say. Nor have I found one that can acknowledge it when they see it. They don't care for truth. Truth will always be a pesky little thing in their world view.


But they are winning......

Unless we can pry the schools from them, as earlier American pried their slaves from them.....America is lost.
 
You have a terrible problem, being unable to accept being wrong.

https://larouchepub.com › eiw › public › 2014 › eirv41n08-20140221 › 34-35_4108.pdf
Ukraine: The Budapest Memorandum of 1994 The following is the text of the Memorandum on Secu-rity Assurances, known as the Budapest Memorandum, in connection with Ukraine's accession to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, signed Dec. 5, 1994. The United States of America, the Russian Federa-

Ukraine: The Budapest Memorandum of 1994 | Policy Memos ...

https://policymemos.hks.harvard.edu › links › ukraine-budapest-memorandum-1994
The following is the text of the Memorandum on Security Assurances, known as the Budapest Memorandum, in connection with Ukraine's accession to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, signed Dec. 5, 1994.

Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances
The Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances comprises three identical political agreements signed at the OSCE conference in Budapest, Hungary on 5 December 1994 to provide security assurances by its signatories relating to the accession of Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT). The memorandum was originally signed by three nuclear ...

Explainer: The Budapest Memorandum And Its Relevance To Crimea

https://www.rferl.org › a › ukraine-explainer-budapest-memorandum › 25280502.html
The "Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances" is a diplomatic memorandum that was signed in December 1994 by Ukraine, Russia, the United States, and the United Kingdom.




But have no fear, I will continue to educate you, and help you work toward becoming a better person.
What does this have to do with FDR being an appeaser?

:dunno:

I said give me a link, you told me it was in your previous posts, I said no, the only thing that was there, was evidence of support for a meeting that was GOING to take place with between Chamberlain and Hitler, no explicit support of appeasement. FDR was only sending words of support and encouragement to Chamberlain. You didn't show that he supported the policy of appeasement. You didn't show it. . . and?

WHICH YOU STILL HAVE NOT SHOWN.

Nothing from FDR proves that he ever supported the policy of appeasement.

iu


Keep on tryin' ! :113:
 
Maybe Chamberlain was right. Maybe the Allies should have let the European tribes fight over their own turf. Germans would have assassinated Hitler eventually and the world would have saved about ten million lives in a war that could have been prevented.
 
'This was your challenge .....and you've failed miserably.

Another chance???

The Democrat Party is now running on full-blown anti-white racism,

socialism,

infanticide,

opposition to free speech,

standing with criminals and felons rather than law-abiding citizens

substituting illegal alien voters for the American citizenry,

support for rioters, arsonists, murderers, and anarchists,

accepting payment from Communist China for future considerations,

and anti-Semitism… the knuckle-dragging, atavistic pagan party.





Bet you can't provide a similar indictment for the other party.





As far as 'intelligent,'.....let's just say I'm somewhere between intelligent and you.
TOLD YOU SO! I was right. :rock:

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Rome and Greece were at war in ancient times and England, France and Spain were constantly at war within the last 300 years. That's the nature of the European existence. After the Spanish-American war in the Philippeans and Cuba, president Wilson promised to keep American boys out of foreign conflicts and then he sent Americans to fight for France's independence. If the U.S. stayed out of the tribal conflict in Europe known as WW1 it's likely that Hitler wouldn't have come into power and there would be no WW2.
 
Rome and Greece were at war in ancient times and England, France and Spain were constantly at war within the last 300 years. That's the nature of the European existence. After the Spanish-American war in the Philippeans and Cuba, president Wilson promised to keep American boys out of foreign conflicts and then he sent Americans to fight for France's independence. If the U.S. stayed out of the tribal conflict in Europe known as WW1 it's likely that Hitler wouldn't have come into power and there would be no WW2.
British aristocracy has been in cahoots with our upper classes since a few decades after the civil war.

All of our upper class blue bloods are anglophiles, and have more of a shine to the aristocracy of Britain than our own middle and lower classes. :sigh2:

The WW1 Conspiracy (Full Documentary | 2018)​

 
What does this have to do with FDR being an appeaser?

:dunno:

I said give me a link, you told me it was in your previous posts, I said no, the only thing that was there, was evidence of support for a meeting that was GOING to take place with between Chamberlain and Hitler, no explicit support of appeasement. FDR was only sending words of support and encouragement to Chamberlain. You didn't show that he supported the policy of appeasement. You didn't show it. . . and?

WHICH YOU STILL HAVE NOT SHOWN.

Nothing from FDR proves that he ever supported the policy of appeasement.

iu


Keep on tryin' ! :113:



I'm happy to point out your earlier error, denying that the Butapest Memorandum was an obligation to aid Ukraine.

This error on your part deals with FDR's accepteance of Hitler's colonization of Europe.

As long as I have the time I will be here to correct you.

Anything else???
 
Maybe Chamberlain was right. Maybe the Allies should have let the European tribes fight over their own turf. Germans would have assassinated Hitler eventually and the world would have saved about ten million lives in a war that could have been prevented.


You aren't the only one to think that way:

Hanson Baldwin, military critic of the New York Times, declares in his book, "Great Mistakes of the War:" 'There is no doubt whatsoever that it would have been to the interest of Britain, the United States, and the world to have allowed and indeed to have encouraged-the world's two great dictatorships to fight each other to a frazzle.'

Baldwin writes that the United States put itself "in the role-at times a disgraceful role-of fearful suppliant and propitiating ally, anxious at nearly any cost to keep Russia fighting. In retrospect, how stupid!"




But FDR not only wanted to swim with the sharks, he wanted to be one of them.
He just had to choose his side.....and he picked communism because he hated successful businessmen.
 
I'm happy to point out your earlier error, denying that the Butapest Memorandum was an obligation to aid Ukraine.

This error on your part deals with FDR's accepteance of Hitler's colonization of Europe.

As long as I have the time I will be here to correct you.

Anything else???
I remember when we argued about the memorandum before. . . I ASKED you for a link to the memorandum, and, you never provided me with one, just secondary sources CLAIMING what it said.

I provided you with a press conference of Pres. Clinton and the Prime Minister of Ukraine commenting on it, which indicated there was no guarantee, and that was the end of our conversation. Now? You want to do this again? It just so happens? I have found the link, directly to PROVE, you are wrong.

But? Since, like all good students of Trumpian type political messaging, even when I give you evidence of your error? YOU DO NOT ADMIT when you have been beaten.

You have dropped the FDR issue, because you cannot prove that FDR ever endorsed appeasement, though I proved that the Republican politicians helped the Nazis. . . instead, like a little snowflake, you take issue with my language. . . nice way to go all Orwellian political correctness, to avoid your loss on THAT issue. :rolleyes:

So here you go sister, here is another "L" in the loser column for you. I warn you, don't take me on. I don't do partisan STATIST crap. I only deal with facts and truth. If you continue to live in your false paradigm? You will continue to rack up the losses against me. You can either be my ally in defending America against global elites? Or you can continue having your butt handed to you.

Content​

"According to the memorandum,[22] Russia, the US and the UK confirmed their recognition of Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine becoming parties to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons and effectively abandoning their nuclear arsenal to Russia and that they agreed to the following:
  1. Respect Belarusian, Kazakh and Ukrainian independence and sovereignty in the existing borders.[23]
  2. Refrain from the threat or the use of force against Belarus, Kazakhstan or Ukraine.
  3. Refrain from using economic pressure on Belarus, Kazakhstan or Ukraine to influence their politics.
  4. Seek immediate Security Council action to provide assistance to Belarus, Kazakhstan or Ukraine if they "should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used".
  5. Refrain from the use of nuclear arms against Belarus, Kazakhstan or Ukraine.
  6. Consult with one another if questions arise regarding those commitments.[19][24]"


Budapest Memorandums on Security Assurances, 1994

Primary Sources

Budapest Memorandums on Security Assurances, 1994​


IOW? No where in this memorandum does it state, imply, or in anyway maintain that the U.S., NATO or Britain has any obligation to fund, supply or aid the Ukraine if it is attacked with a conventional invasion or nuclear means.

What it does say? Is that we will go to the UN if it is, and that Russia is violating this memorandum.

THAT IS ALL.
 
I remember when we argued about the memorandum before. . . I ASKED you for a link to the memorandum, and, you never provided me with one, just secondary sources CLAIMING what it said.

I provided you with a press conference of Pres. Clinton and the Prime Minister of Ukraine commenting on it, which indicated there was no guarantee, and that was the end of our conversation. Now? You want to do this again? It just so happens? I have found the link, directly to PROVE, you are wrong.

But? Since, like all good students of Trumpian type political messaging, even when I give you evidence of your error? YOU DO NOT ADMIT when you have been beaten.

You have dropped the FDR issue, because you cannot prove that FDR ever endorsed appeasement, though I proved that the Republican politicians helped the Nazis. . . instead, like a little snowflake, you take issue with my language. . . nice way to go all Orwellian political correctness, to avoid your loss on THAT issue. :rolleyes:

So here you go sister, here is another "L" in the loser column for you. I warn you, don't take me on. I don't do partisan STATIST crap. I only deal with facts and truth. If you continue to live in your false paradigm? You will continue to rack up the losses against me. You can either be my ally in defending America against global elites? Or you can continue having your butt handed to you.

Content​

"According to the memorandum,[22] Russia, the US and the UK confirmed their recognition of Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine becoming parties to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons and effectively abandoning their nuclear arsenal to Russia and that they agreed to the following:
  1. Respect Belarusian, Kazakh and Ukrainian independence and sovereignty in the existing borders.[23]
  2. Refrain from the threat or the use of force against Belarus, Kazakhstan or Ukraine.
  3. Refrain from using economic pressure on Belarus, Kazakhstan or Ukraine to influence their politics.
  4. Seek immediate Security Council action to provide assistance to Belarus, Kazakhstan or Ukraine if they "should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used".
  5. Refrain from the use of nuclear arms against Belarus, Kazakhstan or Ukraine.
  6. Consult with one another if questions arise regarding those commitments.[19][24]"


Budapest Memorandums on Security Assurances, 1994

Primary Sources

Budapest Memorandums on Security Assurances, 1994​


IOW? No where in this memorandum does it state, imply, or in anyway maintain that the U.S., NATO or Britain has any obligation to fund, supply or aid the Ukraine if it is attacked with a conventional invasion or nuclear means.

What it does say? Is that we will go to the UN if it is, and that Russia is violating this memorandum.

THAT IS ALL.
"No where in this memorandum does it state, imply, or in anyway maintain that the U.S., NATO or Britain has any obligation to fund, supply or aid the Ukraine if it is attacked with a conventional invasion or nuclear means."

That's a lie.

Easily proven: what was the function of the Budapest Memoranum?


Did the memorandum....signed by the US President, specify the security and sovereignty of Ukraine in exchange for their nukes?



But don't worry.....I'll try to have the time to correct all lies and inaccuracies on your part.

I've never had either experience myself.
 
I remember when we argued about the memorandum before. . . I ASKED you for a link to the memorandum, and, you never provided me with one, just secondary sources CLAIMING what it said.

I provided you with a press conference of Pres. Clinton and the Prime Minister of Ukraine commenting on it, which indicated there was no guarantee, and that was the end of our conversation. Now? You want to do this again? It just so happens? I have found the link, directly to PROVE, you are wrong.

But? Since, like all good students of Trumpian type political messaging, even when I give you evidence of your error? YOU DO NOT ADMIT when you have been beaten.

You have dropped the FDR issue, because you cannot prove that FDR ever endorsed appeasement, though I proved that the Republican politicians helped the Nazis. . . instead, like a little snowflake, you take issue with my language. . . nice way to go all Orwellian political correctness, to avoid your loss on THAT issue. :rolleyes:

So here you go sister, here is another "L" in the loser column for you. I warn you, don't take me on. I don't do partisan STATIST crap. I only deal with facts and truth. If you continue to live in your false paradigm? You will continue to rack up the losses against me. You can either be my ally in defending America against global elites? Or you can continue having your butt handed to you.

Content​

"According to the memorandum,[22] Russia, the US and the UK confirmed their recognition of Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine becoming parties to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons and effectively abandoning their nuclear arsenal to Russia and that they agreed to the following:
  1. Respect Belarusian, Kazakh and Ukrainian independence and sovereignty in the existing borders.[23]
  2. Refrain from the threat or the use of force against Belarus, Kazakhstan or Ukraine.
  3. Refrain from using economic pressure on Belarus, Kazakhstan or Ukraine to influence their politics.
  4. Seek immediate Security Council action to provide assistance to Belarus, Kazakhstan or Ukraine if they "should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used".
  5. Refrain from the use of nuclear arms against Belarus, Kazakhstan or Ukraine.
  6. Consult with one another if questions arise regarding those commitments.[19][24]"


Budapest Memorandums on Security Assurances, 1994

Primary Sources

Budapest Memorandums on Security Assurances, 1994​


IOW? No where in this memorandum does it state, imply, or in anyway maintain that the U.S., NATO or Britain has any obligation to fund, supply or aid the Ukraine if it is attacked with a conventional invasion or nuclear means.

What it does say? Is that we will go to the UN if it is, and that Russia is violating this memorandum.

THAT IS ALL.



This from the Left-Leaning Brookings...


"December 5 marks the 20th anniversary of the signing of the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances for Ukraine. Russia has grossly violated the commitments it made in that document. That imposes an obligation on Washington to support Ukraine and push back against Russia. This is not just a matter of living up to U.S. obligations. It is also about preserving the credibility of security assurances, which could contribute to preventing nuclear proliferation in the future."



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This from the Left-Leaning Brookings...


"December 5 marks the 20th anniversary of the signing of the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances for Ukraine. Russia has grossly violated the commitments it made in that document. That imposes an obligation on Washington to support Ukraine and push back against Russia. This is not just a matter of living up to U.S. obligations. It is also about preserving the credibility of security assurances, which could contribute to preventing nuclear proliferation in the future."



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Wow. . . I even linked the memorandum. . . and you are ignoring it. WHY?! Quote the part of the memorandum that. . . "That imposes an obligation on Washington to support Ukraine and push back against Russia."

:rolleyes:


Budapest Memorandums on Security Assurances, 1994

Primary Sources

Budapest Memorandums on Security Assurances, 1994​



". . . Confirm the following:

1. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the Final Act of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe, to respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine;

2. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their obligation to refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or

political independence of Ukraine, and that none of their weapons will ever be used against Ukraine except in self-defence or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations;

3. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the Final Act of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe, to refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by Ukraine of the rights inherent in its sovereignty and thus to secure advantages of any kind;

4. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to seek immediate United Nations Security Council action to provide assistance to Ukraine, as a non-nuclear-weapon State party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, if Ukraine should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear

weapons are used;

5. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm, in the case of Ukraine, their commitment not to use nuclear weapons against any non-nuclearweapon State party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons,

except in the case of an attack on themselves, their territories or dependent territories, their armed forces, or their allies, by such a State in association or alliance with a nuclear-weapon State;

6. Ukraine, the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America will consult in the event a situation arises that raises a question concerning these commitments.

This Memorandum will become applicable upon signature. .. . "
 
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