Do we have a revenue problem or a spending problem?

[ilia25]

Of course as long as it's someone else paying it's all good right? This bullshit about taxing the rich is just that, vote getting divisive bullshit that does absolutely nothing to address the structural problems of Americas debt and dependency on government for every little thing.

Who do I want to cut spending on ? Every American in every corner of the country. 25% across the board on every government program there is, and get rid of every single tax deduction there is. Yes even the military, bring our boys home and let them turn the desert into glass if they chose. Maintain a military that we can sqash anyone who dare fuck with us, but other than that, fuck 'em all till we have our own issues dealt with.
We have all the resources we need if we stop being idiots and get together with Canada and truly work towards NA energy independence. It is very possible.
And yes, I would lose a lot of deductions myself, and yes it would hurt. But how and the fuck are we to pay off over 50grand of debt for every man women and child in the country without a little hurt from everyone?

By rising top marginal taxed to something like 70%. This way we can make it painless for everyone else.

Well of course, like I stated, "as long as someone else is paying".

The rich can afford it, and still enjoy high living standards.

 

[ilia25]

Neither.
We have a corruption problem, the symptoms are overspending and thus needing more revenue.
As usual, the real problems are rarely identified.

And just where does all this big bad corruption start?

Political Parties and the Bankers that own them.

As soon as Americans accept the fact that the country is completely corrupt and been sold down the river long ago, we can begin to restore the Republic and return to the greatness we once were.

You are mad.

 

[P@triot]

By rising top marginal taxed to something like 70%. This way we can make it painless for everyone else.

Well of course, like I stated, "as long as someone else is paying".

The rich can afford it, and still enjoy high living standards.

Who the fuck are you to decide that?

I say the lower class can afford it, and still enjoy high living standards (and unlike your misinformation, I can back my up with FACTS).

 

[boedicca]

We have four big problems:

1. Too much spending
2. Too much regulation via an unelected bureaucracy which subverts Congress
3. Too much debt
4. Too much of the three above due to Obamacare alone (this deserves special mention due to being the single biggest reach of government power into private lives ever in U.S. history).

These four are boat anchors around the economy as evidenced by anemic growth. We should be growing at 4%+ with millions of net private sector full time job creation by now. Instead we have the Worst Recovery Ever.

Thanks Obama!

 

[P@triot]

The facts prove that we have a spending problem and not a revenue problem.

1.) Revenue to the government is as high as it's been at any point in U.S. history

2.) Spending by the government is as high as it's been at any point in U.S. history

Total spending in fiscal year 2012 was $3.54 trillion. Put in other terms, the government spent an average $9.7 billion a day, $404.1 million an hour, and $6.7 million per minute. Do the math, and that $132.9 million in tax revenue would fund the entire federal government for a whopping 20 minutes.

Seriously folks, what kind of asshole would see that it takes $132.9 million to fund the government for 20 minutes and not understand we have a major spending problem?!?

New Powerball Jackpot Millionaires Taxes Would Buy Total 20 Minutes of Government Spending

 

[P@triot]

$132.9 million should be able to fund the government for a month (and could too if we had constitutional government and common sense in Washington).

 

[LogikAndReazon]

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One of our biggest problems is that we tend to ask either/or, black & white, binary questions and run with the either/or, black & white, binary answers.

Things are a little more complicated than this.

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There is nothing complicated about worthless bureaucratic vote whores making financial promises they cannot keep in order to get elected...............

The only problem is spending........

 

[Wry Catcher]

We have both, a revenue and a spending problem; most of all we have an ignorance problem. Posts and threads offering a forced choice such this one are foolish.

 

[ilia25]

Well of course, like I stated, "as long as someone else is paying".

The rich can afford it, and still enjoy high living standards.

Who the fuck are you to decide that?

I say the lower class can afford it, and still enjoy high living standards (and unlike your misinformation, I can back my up with FACTS).

Really? Care to explain how a rich guy paying top tax rate on income over, say, 500k can have a lower living standard than a guy making 50k?

 

[boedicca]

The facts prove that we have a spending problem and not a revenue problem.

1.) Revenue to the government is as high as it's been at any point in U.S. history

2.) Spending by the government is as high as it's been at any point in U.S. history

Total spending in fiscal year 2012 was $3.54 trillion. Put in other terms, the government spent an average $9.7 billion a day, $404.1 million an hour, and $6.7 million per minute. Do the math, and that $132.9 million in tax revenue would fund the entire federal government for a whopping 20 minutes.

Seriously folks, what kind of asshole would see that it takes $132.9 million to fund the government for 20 minutes and not understand we have a major spending problem?!?

New Powerball Jackpot Millionaires Taxes Would Buy Total 20 Minutes of Government Spending

This is why Millionaires and Billionaires are defined as people who make $200K per year. After raising taxes on better off middle class people, it's not much of a stretch to lower the bracket for the highest tax rate so that it reaches into the real middle class. This will be done via inflating the currency and not addressing AMT.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Neither.
We have a corruption problem, the symptoms are overspending and thus needing more revenue.
As usual, the real problems are rarely identified.

And just where does all this big bad corruption start?

Start? Or perhaps you are referring to what is the origin?
If so, that is easy.
Look in the mirror.
The last election something truly amazing happened...with few exceptions, all of the same people were re-elected. Despite overwhelming disapproval ratings - ALL OF THE SAME PEOPLE WERE RE-ELECTED.
The origin of the thorough corruption in our government is the complacency and partisan voting of the general public.

 

[P@triot]

The rich can afford it, and still enjoy high living standards.

Who the fuck are you to decide that?

I say the lower class can afford it, and still enjoy high living standards (and unlike your misinformation, I can back my up with FACTS).

Really? Care to explain how a rich guy paying top tax rate on income over, say, 500k can have a lower living standard than a guy making 50k?

Um, where did I say the wealthy could have a lower standard of living? Read what is written and not what you want to see.

As far as the facts, why do you read this GOVERNMENT report about poverty. The truth is, the dumbocrats in this nation have no idea what actual poverty is. All they do is look at the ultra wealthy (with extreme envy and hatred) and believe that everyone deserves to live like that.

As scholar James Q. Wilson has stated, “The poorest Americans today live a better life than all but the richest persons a hundred years ago.”[3] In 2005, the typical household defined as poor by the government had a car and air conditioning. For entertainment, the household had two color televisions, cable or satellite TV, a DVD player, and a VCR. If there were children, especially boys, in the home, the family had a game system, such as an Xbox or a PlayStation.[4] In the kitchen, the household had a refrigerator, an oven and stove, and a microwave. Other household conveniences included a clothes washer, clothes dryer, ceiling fans, a cordless phone, and a coffee maker.

The home of the typical poor family was not overcrowded and was in good repair. In fact, the typical poor American had more living space than the average European. The typical poor American family was also able to obtain medical care when needed. By its own report, the typical family was not hungry and had sufficient funds during the past year to meet all essential needs.

What is Poverty in the United States: Air Conditioning, Cable TV and an Xbox

 

[P@triot]

Look at those numbers above. Simply astounding and glaring evidence of how greedy the left has become.

The average "poor" person has AC, car, color TV, game console like Xbox and MORE living space than the average non-poor European?!?!

God almighty are you people greedy....

 

[ilia25]

Who the fuck are you to decide that?

I say the lower class can afford it, and still enjoy high living standards (and unlike your misinformation, I can back my up with FACTS).

Really? Care to explain how a rich guy paying top tax rate on income over, say, 500k can have a lower living standard than a guy making 50k?

Um, where did I say the wealthy could have a lower standard of living?

Well, then it does not make a lot of sense to cause even more pain on the rest, does it?

 

[ba1614]

Well of course, like I stated, "as long as someone else is paying".

The rich can afford it, and still enjoy high living standards.

Who the fuck are you to decide that?

I say the lower class can afford it, and still enjoy high living standards (and unlike your misinformation, I can back my up with FACTS).

Typical progressive Rotty, they know what's best for us and what's "fair" to extort from others.

 

[ilia25]

The rich can afford it, and still enjoy high living standards.

Who the fuck are you to decide that?

I say the lower class can afford it, and still enjoy high living standards (and unlike your misinformation, I can back my up with FACTS).

Typical progressive Rotty, they know what's best for us and what's "fair" to extort from others.

You've got that right! We do know what is best for you because we are smarter than you.

But we are not enforcing anything on you. We argue our position to the voters, and you have Koch brothers and Fox News. We are winning because the right wing propaganda can fool people only for so long.

If you think of it, it is really hard to convince the poor and middle class that they have to pay more so the rich can get even richer.

 

[DiamondDave]

Who the fuck are you to decide that?

I say the lower class can afford it, and still enjoy high living standards (and unlike your misinformation, I can back my up with FACTS).

Typical progressive Rotty, they know what's best for us and what's "fair" to extort from others.

You've got that right! We do know what is best for you because we are smarter than you.

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The mantra of the self-appointed-know-it-all liberal

Here's a tidbit of information for you though


Go fuck yourself

 

[TakeAStepBack]

When arrogance is derived from ignorance.

 

[P@triot]

Who the fuck are you to decide that?

I say the lower class can afford it, and still enjoy high living standards (and unlike your misinformation, I can back my up with FACTS).

Typical progressive Rotty, they know what's best for us and what's "fair" to extort from others.

You've got that right! We do know what is best for you because we are smarter than you.

But we are not enforcing anything on you. We argue our position to the voters, and you have Koch brothers and Fox News. We are winning because the right wing propaganda can fool people only for so long.

If you think of it, it is really hard to convince the poor and middle class that they have to pay more so the rich can get even richer.

You're not focing anything on us? Really? What do you call Obamacare?

This proves how STUPID you people really are. You believe in the Nazi ideology (punish the successful, force everyone to goose-step march in the same direction) and when doing so, you don't even know you are doing it!

 

[P@triot]

If you think of it, it is really hard to convince the poor and middle class that they have to pay more so the rich can get even richer.

If you think of it, it's really hard to convince people than anyone gets rich or poor based on what someone else is doing (but that doesn't stop you dumbocrats from trying).

Serious question ilia - why don't you dumbocrats understand even basic, fundamental economics? I know a lot of the left is made up of "Obama phone" woman and "Obama money" woman, but have none of you even graduated high school? Forget about college - isn't there even one liberal in the world who has graduated high school?

You believe Socialism/Marxism/Communism is the key to prosperity, when it has a 100% failure rate world wide for over 120 years now. Apparently, none of you learned economics or history...