Do we have a revenue problem or a spending problem?

Hey its cool to be against whatever you want to be against. But you didn't answer the question. Which is; if a person netting 600,000 a month would only net 550,000 a month, what terrible things would happen to this person?

And who you want to cut spending on? What do you want less of? How many more people needing assistance do we need? What is it you think will happen if the guv cuts spending by lets say 10%. What are the positives that will occur when welfare is cut 10%.. Military spending 10%.......fed assitance for education, fema cut 10%. and so on.

What will be the great positive impact if all the cuts were to happen? You think we will all of a sudden have more jobs. When people are laid off?

Of course as long as it's someone else paying it's all good right? This bullshit about taxing the rich is just that, vote getting divisive bullshit that does absolutely nothing to address the structural problems of Americas debt and dependency on government for every little thing.

Who do I want to cut spending on ? Every American in every corner of the country. 25% across the board on every government program there is, and get rid of every single tax deduction there is. Yes even the military, bring our boys home and let them turn the desert into glass if they chose. Maintain a military that we can sqash anyone who dare fuck with us, but other than that, fuck 'em all till we have our own issues dealt with.
We have all the resources we need if we stop being idiots and get together with Canada and truly work towards NA energy independence. It is very possible.
And yes, I would lose a lot of deductions myself, and yes it would hurt. But how and the fuck are we to pay off over 50grand of debt for every man women and child in the country without a little hurt from everyone?

By rising top marginal taxed to something like 70%. This way we can make it painless for everyone else.

Well of course, like I stated, "as long as someone else is paying".
 
Neither.
We have a corruption problem, the symptoms are overspending and thus needing more revenue.
As usual, the real problems are rarely identified.
 


DUH... did these events NOT have any affect on tax revenue and the economy?
NO president has EVER faced events of their magnitude in the same 8 year period.

A) Didn't the marvelous dot.com ( that Clinton phony surplus bubble)* bust occur? YES! What did it cost?
1) $5 trillion in market losses which meant the taxpayers who had tax liabilities of $166 billion from 2002 and beyond GONE!
2) 300,000 jobs lost due to dot.com busts....billions in payroll taxes!!!

NOT BUSH's fault agree??

B) Did 9/11 happen??? YES what did that cost?
1) $2 trillion in losses meant $66 billion a year in reduced TAX payments from 2003 and beyond GONE!
2 145,00 jobs lost in NYC alone due to 9/11... what did that cost? Billions in payroll taxes!

NOT BUSH's fault Agree???

and regarding hurricanes... THE WORST SEASONS not hurricanes like Sandy SEASONS!!!
NOT BUSH's fault agree??
C) DID the worst hurricane SEASONS not hurricanes SEASONS occur? YES what did that cost?
1) $1 trillion in losses meaning $33 billion a year in reduced tax revenues!
2) 400,000 jobs due to Hurricanes Katrina/Rita

YET how many people seemingly forget those 3 events costing over $8 trillion which is being written off against taxes today.
850,000 jobs lost due to dot.com/911 and hurricanes.

DOES ANYONE WANT to say those events didn't COST MONEY put out by the government?
DOES ANYONE want to say the $8 trillion in tax write offs didn't cost revenue?
What about 850,000 jobs and the unemployment benefits for 99 weeks at $300/week is $25.2 Billion...
ALL paid out and NOT coming in...

SO where are all you people that lived like I did through the above which included the anthrax attack and that caused a lot of anxiety and lost jobs and money!
 
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I wish I could live in your bubble health, as usual you missed the point by a mile, it's fools like you that make it hard to come on these boards. Cheers for being retarded.
 
I'm against any tax increase on anyone until at least such time as the government(all levels right down to the municipalities) show at least some restraint in spending. Not 10yrs down the road spending either, real life spending cuts that don't kick the can down the road for someone else to deal with.



Hey its cool to be against whatever you want to be against. But you didn't answer the question. Which is; if a person netting 600,000 a month would only net 550,000 a month, what terrible things would happen to this person?

And who you want to cut spending on? What do you want less of? How many more people needing assistance do we need? What is it you think will happen if the guv cuts spending by lets say 10%. What are the positives that will occur when welfare is cut 10%.. Military spending 10%.......fed assitance for education, fema cut 10%. and so on.

What will be the great positive impact if all the cuts were to happen? You think we will all of a sudden have more jobs. When people are laid off?

Of course as long as it's someone else paying it's all good right? This bullshit about taxing the rich is just that, vote getting divisive bullshit that does absolutely nothing to address the structural problems of Americas debt and dependency on government for every little thing.

Who do I want to cut spending on ? Every American in every corner of the country. 25% across the board on every government program there is, and get rid of every single tax deduction there is. Yes even the military, bring our boys home and let them turn the desert into glass if they chose. Maintain a military that we can sqash anyone who dare fuck with us, but other than that, fuck 'em all till we have our own issues dealt with.
We have all the resources we need if we stop being idiots and get together with Canada and truly work towards NA energy independence. It is very possible.
And yes, I would lose a lot of deductions myself, and yes it would hurt. But how and the fuck are we to pay off over 50grand of debt for every man women and child in the country without a little hurt from everyone?


Hey hey I give you credit for putting a number out there. 25% reduction in federal spending. All deductions eliminated.

And how will we come out of the depression that will happen? Or what will a reduction in federal spending do to stimulate the economy?

Tell me the good things that would happen if spending was cut. What is it that the debt is doing TODAY that is stopping economic expansion? Rates on borrowed money is dirt cheap, so the deficit is not driving rates higher. Profits for big corporations are at record levels. So the deficit is not hampering corporate profits. Wage scales are flat to declining, so the deficit is not driving wages higher.

What is it you think the debt is doing to harm us. AT THIS TIME.

You know the depression that would happen with a 25% cut would harm us. How is the debt more harmful than a depression?
 
In my example of a person netting 600k a month, I asked what harm would occur if that person was only netting 550k a month.

Not one single fuking rethug who defends the ultra rich from any tax cuts, would even try and say what harm would occur in the example I mentioned.

How come. That answer should be right in the tip of your tongues. Or is it that there would be no harm to someone making that much money.

Say it ain't so. It fuks up the rights wings whine if the ultra wealthy suffer no harm with a modest tax rate increase.
 
I wish I could live in your bubble health, as usual you missed the point by a mile, it's fools like you that make it hard to come on these boards. Cheers for being retarded.

Excuse me mister pat yourself on the back SHIT FOR BRAINS, but health is SPOT ON.

Get a clue ya fucking idiot.
 
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Our government is OVERFLOWING with CORRUPTION, and there is no problem with how much money our government STEALS from us, but there is a problem with what they do with it. There has never been a more aggressive spending machine than all of our government. How do you think obama got reelected? He BOUGHT his reelection with the likes of OBAMA PHONES, promising people SOMETHING FOR NOTHING, and this is how democrats KNOW they can stay in power, KEEP SPENDING. Unfortunately that practice has put America on the road to an IMMINENT FISCAL IMPLOSION. Needless to even mention the WASTE of government, spending BILLIONS of dollars on BULL SHIT! Government has done nothing but GROW, GROW, GROW, TAX, TAX, TAX and SPEND, SPEND, SPEND practically since it's inception. Now it's just simply OUT OF CONTROL, WAY TOO BIG, and should be CUT IN HALF. The CORRUPTION needs to be wiped out of Washington, the GOOD OLE BOYS CLUB, the LOBBYISTS, the super pacs, on and on and on and on, but the only way that EVER could be accomplished at this point, is another REVOLUTIONARY WAR. We need to get BACK to the CONSTITUTION, and we need TERM LIMITS for EVERY elected official, and we need a BALANCED BUDGET AMENDMENT. Our government just has too much power. That power should be shifted BACK TO THE PEOPLE WHERE IT BELONGS.
 
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Neither.
We have a corruption problem, the symptoms are overspending and thus needing more revenue.
As usual, the real problems are rarely identified.

And just where does all this big bad corruption start?

:lol:
Political Parties and the Bankers that own them.

As soon as Americans accept the fact that the country is completely corrupt and been sold down the river long ago, we can begin to restore the Republic and return to the greatness we once were.
 
Hey its cool to be against whatever you want to be against. But you didn't answer the question. Which is; if a person netting 600,000 a month would only net 550,000 a month, what terrible things would happen to this person?

And who you want to cut spending on? What do you want less of? How many more people needing assistance do we need? What is it you think will happen if the guv cuts spending by lets say 10%. What are the positives that will occur when welfare is cut 10%.. Military spending 10%.......fed assitance for education, fema cut 10%. and so on.

What will be the great positive impact if all the cuts were to happen? You think we will all of a sudden have more jobs. When people are laid off?

Of course as long as it's someone else paying it's all good right? This bullshit about taxing the rich is just that, vote getting divisive bullshit that does absolutely nothing to address the structural problems of Americas debt and dependency on government for every little thing.

Who do I want to cut spending on ? Every American in every corner of the country. 25% across the board on every government program there is, and get rid of every single tax deduction there is. Yes even the military, bring our boys home and let them turn the desert into glass if they chose. Maintain a military that we can sqash anyone who dare fuck with us, but other than that, fuck 'em all till we have our own issues dealt with.
We have all the resources we need if we stop being idiots and get together with Canada and truly work towards NA energy independence. It is very possible.
And yes, I would lose a lot of deductions myself, and yes it would hurt. But how and the fuck are we to pay off over 50grand of debt for every man women and child in the country without a little hurt from everyone?


Hey hey I give you credit for putting a number out there. 25% reduction in federal spending. All deductions eliminated.

And how will we come out of the depression that will happen? Or what will a reduction in federal spending do to stimulate the economy?

Tell me the good things that would happen if spending was cut. What is it that the debt is doing TODAY that is stopping economic expansion? Rates on borrowed money is dirt cheap, so the deficit is not driving rates higher. Profits for big corporations are at record levels. So the deficit is not hampering corporate profits. Wage scales are flat to declining, so the deficit is not driving wages higher.

What is it you think the debt is doing to harm us. AT THIS TIME.

You know the depression that would happen with a 25% cut would harm us. How is the debt more harmful than a depression?

I don't dispute it would be extremely tough, and really REALLY suck ass for a number of years. But to right the listing ship that is America, tough decisions and consequences for a couple generations of pandering to every special interest are going to have to be made and dealt with. I would rather go through the pain than sending it down the road to my grandchildren or great grandkids.

The bill is going to eventually come due, and raising taxes on any group for the government to blow through and then come back for more without addressing the spending and insane tax code structural problems is a wasted effort.
 
In my example of a person netting 600k a month, I asked what harm would occur if that person was only netting 550k a month.

Not one single fuking rethug who defends the ultra rich from any tax cuts, would even try and say what harm would occur in the example I mentioned.

How come. That answer should be right in the tip of your tongues. Or is it that there would be no harm to someone making that much money.

Say it ain't so. It fuks up the rights wings whine if the ultra wealthy suffer no harm with a modest tax rate increase.

Hey, you are right, the rich will still be alright and have a full fridge. But the way government spends money what are you going to do after they've blown through that if you haven't addressed the real structural problem of spending?
 
Neither.
We have a corruption problem, the symptoms are overspending and thus needing more revenue.
As usual, the real problems are rarely identified.

And just where does all this big bad corruption start?

:lol:
Political Parties and the Bankers that own them.

As soon as Americans accept the fact that the country is completely corrupt and been sold down the river long ago, we can begin to restore the Republic and return to the greatness we once were.

What the heck you mean "once" had?

You living in the gutter doing a jig for your daily meal?

Which country in the world, could successfully invade and conquer our country?

How many dead bodies do you have to step over to get into your ramshackle hovel by the polluted stream?

This country is still great. It's conservative folks that don't understand that..and are doing their damndest to undo the very things that keep us great.

Namely..selling out to bankers and corporate interests.

Citizen's United put that on display..
 
And just where does all this big bad corruption start?

:lol:
Political Parties and the Bankers that own them.

As soon as Americans accept the fact that the country is completely corrupt and been sold down the river long ago, we can begin to restore the Republic and return to the greatness we once were.

What the heck you mean "once" had?

You living in the gutter doing a jig for your daily meal?

Which country in the world, could successfully invade and conquer our country?

How many dead bodies do you have to step over to get into your ramshackle hovel by the polluted stream?

This country is still great. It's conservative folks that don't understand that..and are doing their damndest to undo the very things that keep us great.

Namely..selling out to bankers and corporate interests.

Citizen's United put that on display..

So tell me, Sallow...where in this country are things NOT so great? Where in this country are local governments teetering on the brink of insolvency? Is it the Blue States or is it the Red ones?

The truth of the matter is that it's those "fly-over" States run by conservatives that are the strength of our country...they are the ones holding it together while the Illinois and California's implode from too many progressive politicians and too much progressive legislation.

You think conservatives are the ones who have forgotten what made this country great? That's laughable. Conservatives are the only ones that DO remember why we became a great nation. I'll give you a hint...it wasn't because of income redistribution...it was because America was the land of opportunity for those with ambition.
 
Yea and I can't understand that if the increase in taxes to be paid by the ultra rich is such a little bit of "chump change", why are you right wing whack jobs so opposed to the increase.

But go ahead and tell me why a person netting, lets say 600,000 a month, what bad things will happen if that person were only netting 550,000 a month. Tell me about the tradegy that will occur if the ultra weathy are paying a little more in taxes.

No one else has been able to do it, but with your vast knowledge and experience, I am sure you can.

btw, are you of the "ultra wealthy" class? Do you make 10 million a year. Or even 1 million a year? Just curious.

I'm against any tax increase on anyone until at least such time as the government(all levels right down to the municipalities) show at least some restraint in spending. Not 10yrs down the road spending either, real life spending cuts that don't kick the can down the road for someone else to deal with.



Hey its cool to be against whatever you want to be against. But you didn't answer the question. Which is; if a person netting 600,000 a month would only net 550,000 a month, what terrible things would happen to this person?

And who you want to cut spending on? What do you want less of? How many more people needing assistance do we need? What is it you think will happen if the guv cuts spending by lets say 10%. What are the positives that will occur when welfare is cut 10%.. Military spending 10%.......fed assitance for education, fema cut 10%. and so on.

What will be the great positive impact if all the cuts were to happen? You think we will all of a sudden have more jobs. When people are laid off?

:badgrin:Well since the gov't doesn't seem to be doing the job they are suppose to...why don't we start with cutting their paychecks down to a livable amount instead of a ridiculious amount they seem to have now. There are alot of gov't workers in the upper positions...starting there would start putting a dent in the problem. Then work from there.
 
We con$ervatives love to bash Obama, but Bush started it.... The GOP has offered no real leadership, and this has to change.
The Dems would say we need to be more like them, and I say no freekin way. That's what got us to where we are.
I say we need to be more libertarian (i.e. Ron Paul) in our ways.
Lets get back to The Constitution.

Constitutional government solves all of this. End of story.

Of course, the dumbocrats would have a fuck'n aneurism if we actually adhered to the U.S. Constitution because that would mean no more socialism.
 
And just where does all this big bad corruption start?

:lol:
Political Parties and the Bankers that own them.

As soon as Americans accept the fact that the country is completely corrupt and been sold down the river long ago, we can begin to restore the Republic and return to the greatness we once were.

What the heck you mean "once" had?

You living in the gutter doing a jig for your daily meal?

Which country in the world, could successfully invade and conquer our country?

How many dead bodies do you have to step over to get into your ramshackle hovel by the polluted stream?

This country is still great. It's conservative folks that don't understand that..and are doing their damndest to undo the very things that keep us great.

Namely..selling out to bankers and corporate interests.

Citizen's United put that on display..

It never ceases to amaze me how naive and uneducated about history you dumbocrats are...

First of all, both China and Russia have the ability to obliterate us with nuclear weapons thanks to you dumbocrats who have fought 24x7 against missile defense systems.

Second, as history has taught us (you know, history - that matter which you dumbocrats completely ignore and refuse to learn from), no matter what your defenses are today, tomorrow they can be penetrated. If we were to actually listen to you dumbocrats once, the US would be over thrown in a matter of months. Because you people choose to live in the propagandized world of ideology, instead of the real world, you don't have the slightest concept of what types of weapons/technology are being developed every single day by all nation's. If I were to tell you the classified weapons systems that the US currently has in operation, all of you would scream the standard "tin foil hat".

Sadly, all of you live in a fantasy world, and it's only through the dedicated diligence of conservatives that you've maintained your freedom. The sad part is, maintaining that freedom is hard enough, without having to fight our own naive countrymen who believe the world is all flowers, rainbows, and sunshine.
 
Both. When President Bush decided to invade the ME he should have recinded all the tax cuts instead of paying for the wars on credit.

However increasing the revenue will do little if the spending isn't curbed. All spending must be on the table including cuts to the military.
 

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