Do The Rich Pay Their Fair Share?

[eagle1462010]

End the BS..............Flat Tax on income, everyone pays a flat rate.............All deductions gone and send in the Tax Return on a post card.................would increase Federal Revenues and would get rid of the thousands of pages of tax laws and red tape filing taxes now................Those in poverty or very low levels of income could pay reduced rates to pay for their S.S. and Medicare portions of the equation...........

Our tax laws are too complex...............allows too many loop holes and headaches at tax time. End it and stop bitching.

That wouldn't get rid of the IRS or most of the IRS code, which is concerned with business deductions. The only way to do that is abolish the income tax.

Business taxes could be handled the same way...........flat tax on them as well and end the mountains of regulations and forms................

While it wouldn't get rid of the IRS..........it would allow to cut the hell out of the employees there.............

It would make tax season a lot less complicated..............pay my rate and done..............

Sale tax only systems do work...........but are dangerous............as they can be added to the prices for every step of production exponentially expanding the cost.............but that would depend on how it is structured............

Examples from wiki............

Consumption tax - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[Stephanie]

With that long rant, what you're admitting is everyone receives the same services and protections.

Debt you want shared evenly, but not income. Got it.

What a deal for the rich eh? As usual...

And we are right back to "what extra services do the rich get that you do not from the federal government"?

Why should they get anything at all? What do they need, besides an army and the infrastructure we paid for that they use to make the big bucks. Do you want us to name a stealth bomber after them? The bill on that is two bil a piece. That two million they pay doesn't pick up the gas tab in that case.

What gave you the idea that because you pay more you should get more? How many apples can you eat? Same as a poor man right. So, how many government services can you suck up when you can pay for better yourself? Where did you little morons get this whole life should be fair idea, Ayn Rand books?

If they are not receiving more, why should they pay more? And some who are receiving the same protection and services pay nothing?

THANK YOU. I was going to ask the same thing. ALL these people who PAYS nothing in taxes to the Federal Government shouldn't be able to USE any of the so called, SERVICES
they supposedly, GIVE us. It's funny seeing the twist themselves into knots in order to TAKE more from what they deem, THE RICH, WEALTHY,

 

[danielpalos]

I have no need. Show Me where the article is advocating for cutting taxes to the rich.

Listen fuckwit. I'm asking the Poster what he supports.

Which poster? The OP cited an article rebutting the notion of 'fair share' as defined by those who use the term as a means of controlling debate.

The author simply points out specific instances of alleged 'fairness' and the metrics in how they are used. No where did the OP or the author of the article advocate for the cuttting or raising of taxes.

My reply was to anther poster and was simply an exercise in mathemtaics, outlineing the fact that if (look up the word if you need to) everyone paid 20k in taxes, then the budget shortfall would go away and we'd achieve balance. At no time did I advocate that we should do this.

Any other deflections you wish to introduce?

I enthusiastically endorse the idea that Republicans should run on a platform of raising taxes on the poor and lowering taxes on the rich.

Probably not a great idea. How about we start out eliminating tax refunds for people who pay no Income tax?

The earned income credit was a Republican idea to encourage work.

How about we replace most programs for the poor with a guaranteed income for everyone, at a basic level?

Yes, just another government program, blah...blah...blah.

We already have the infrastructure in place in our republic to solve simple poverty when due to a lack of employment in our at-will employment States.

 

[danielpalos]

Income is earned, debt is discretionary

-Geaux

how does that work for capital gains arising from margin?

 

[Truth2Know]

This statement was in the original OP and a recent post [Note: The word "to" was added after "seem" below.]:

"Fair would seem to be that the group of taxpayers who earn 10% of the country's income would pay 10% of the country's taxes; the group who earned 20% would pay 20% of the taxes and so on. "

I don't agree with this statement, although I do agree with the sentiment that the rich are paying more than their fair share. Fair would be an equal payment made by all who share in the services provided. Many are too conditioned by years of looking at tax rates and what percentage of income someone pays to comprehend what constitutes "fair." For those interested, here is what's fair: Who pays their fair share of Federal taxes US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

Making people who earn more pay more in absolute dollars is passive robbery. Because you've been robbed though a seemingly democratic process doesn't make it less wrong. Why is our tax system like this? It's practical. Money can only come from those who have it.

Full disclosure: I pay less than my fair share of taxes. But I'm honest enough to say, "Thank you!" to those who pay much more than their fair share instead of clamoring for them to pay more.

 

[hadit]

Anyone talking about a "fair share" should be required to give a number. Otherwise, it just means "More".

 

[PaintMyHouse]

The wealth isn't shared but the national debt is? Interesting.

Tell you what, let's adjust the national debt shares based on income. Go...

The national debt was incurred, in the name of ALL the people, with your permission. Sorry --- you owe the same amount I do.

My wealth, on the other hand, was earned by my actions - you don't get any, because you don't deserve it.

Debt you want shared evenly, but not income. Got it.

What a deal for the rich eh? As usual...

My wealth is of my doing, not yours. YOU have no claim to it and it is irrelevant to your situation. If you want wealth comparable to mine, earn it yourself.

You make it here, we allow that, you owe some of it back to us. It's a pay to play game so stop bitching about the bill, it should be far higher.

We ALLOW that?????? Interesting ....

That's correct. The ability to make money, AKA options for greed, are controlled by the society in which you live. A man alone on an island can make not a dime. For him to do so requires what society provides. Capitalism doesn't work in a vacuum.

 

[zeke]

Full disclosure: I pay less than my fair share of taxes.

Interesting. How much did you pay this year in taxes and how much should you have paid?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Gotta spend money to make money.

And taxed enough? Very doubtful, especially since we aren't paying our bills.

I don't know about you, but I'm paying my bills.

I pay mine as well, but the US doesn't because it doesn't tax enough.

Hey, PMS! Pay as much as you want. That is your right. Just leave my wallet alone.

Not a chance in hell. See above.

And should you wish to leave because you feel it's unfair, we'll help you pack. See ya.

But ... but .... if he leaves, who is going to pay YOUR 'fair share'?

You can't have it both ways ....

I already pay more than my fair share, I'm not that rich.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Anyone talking about a "fair share" should be required to give a number. Otherwise, it just means "More".

Fair share? 50% of everything over 500K. Make as much as you like.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

With that long rant, what you're admitting is everyone receives the same services and protections.

Debt you want shared evenly, but not income. Got it.

What a deal for the rich eh? As usual...

And we are right back to "what extra services do the rich get that you do not from the federal government"?

Why should they get anything at all? What do they need, besides an army and the infrastructure we paid for that they use to make the big bucks. Do you want us to name a stealth bomber after them? The bill on that is two bil a piece. That two million they pay doesn't pick up the gas tab in that case.

What gave you the idea that because you pay more you should get more? How many apples can you eat? Same as a poor man right. So, how many government services can you suck up when you can pay for better yourself? Where did you little morons get this whole life should be fair idea, Ayn Rand books?

If they are not receiving more, why should they pay more? And some who are receiving the same protection and services pay nothing?

Life can be unfair. Now you know.

 

[hadit]

Anyone talking about a "fair share" should be required to give a number. Otherwise, it just means "More".

Fair share? 50% of everything over 500K. Make as much as you like.

Good. We can work with that. In New York City, they already pay more than that, so there should be no caterwauling about rich New Yorkers.

 

[danielpalos]

Only the Right prefers to appeal to ignorance of Capitalism regarding being Taxed what one is worth in favor of the Socialism of equality.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

The rich pay MORE more than their fair share. All the drivel saying otherwise is just ignorance on display by ignorant people.

 

[danielpalos]

The rich pay MORE more than their fair share. All the drivel saying otherwise is just ignorance on display by ignorant people.

Only the Right prefers to appeal to ignorance of Capitalism regarding being Taxed what one is worth in favor of the Socialism of equality.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

The rich pay MORE more than their fair share. All the drivel saying otherwise is just ignorance on display by ignorant people.

Only the Right prefers to appeal to ignorance of Capitalism regarding being Taxed what one is worth in favor of the Socialism of equality.

Derp?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

The rich pay MORE more than their fair share. All the drivel saying otherwise is just ignorance on display by ignorant people.

Let's put it this way, I wish my taxes were as low as Mitt Romney's...

 

[danielpalos]

The rich pay MORE more than their fair share. All the drivel saying otherwise is just ignorance on display by ignorant people.

Only the Right prefers to appeal to ignorance of Capitalism regarding being Taxed what one is worth in favor of the Socialism of equality.

Derp?

couldn't find any honest Injeuns for your Cause?

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

The rich pay MORE more than their fair share. All the drivel saying otherwise is just ignorance on display by ignorant people.

Only the Right prefers to appeal to ignorance of Capitalism regarding being Taxed what one is worth in favor of the Socialism of equality.

Derp?

couldn't find any honest Injeuns for your Cause?

I don't have a "cause"

I'm not the one whining about the financial status of others, YOU are.

 

[danielpalos]

The rich pay MORE more than their fair share. All the drivel saying otherwise is just ignorance on display by ignorant people.

Only the Right prefers to appeal to ignorance of Capitalism regarding being Taxed what one is worth in favor of the Socialism of equality.

Derp?

couldn't find any honest Injeuns for your Cause?

I don't have a "cause"

I'm not the one whining about the financial status of others, YOU are.

i knew that with your first fallacy.

Only the Right prefers to appeal to ignorance of Capitalism regarding being Taxed what one is worth in favor of the Socialism of equality.