Do Democrats know...

[glew]

Do today's democrats know their own history? Do they know that our current president is running the same political playbook as Woodrow Wilson and FDR? I am going to throw some bait out there and ask...What are some of the good things Dems have done in the last 100 years? Do they balance out the bad things?

 

[The Infidel]

Do they balance out the bad things?

Ummmm




NO!

 

[DaGoose]

Do today's democrats know their own history? Do they know that our current president is running the same political playbook as Woodrow Wilson and FDR? I am going to throw some bait out there and ask...What are some of the good things Dems have done in the last 100 years? Do they balance out the bad things?

A good way to answer your question is to ask ourselves what major programs championed by the Democrats do people want to get rid of?

Social Security?

Medicare?

Medicaid?

Unemployment?

Food and product safety standards?

Obama's healthcare?

The answer to all of those is a resounding........





NO

 

[glew]

Social Security?

Medicare?

Medicaid?

Unemployment?

Food and product safety standards?

Obama's healthcare?

Oh...but we are getting rid of those...just very slowly...Do you really think those socialist programs will be around in the next 20-30 years? Not very likely if the finacial system collapses. Also, those programs have moved sooo far away from their intent, that support for them will be impossible soon. Just look at how the "socialist" programs are working in Europe right now. Will we be next?

 

[Truthmatters]

ahahahahahahah

whos we, you got a mouse in your pocket?


Quit your caviling.

The American people are not with you cons

 

[glew]

Also DaGoose...How does it feel to be in a union that sucks the blood out of the very industry that supports it? Perhaps abetter question is, how does it feel to "get yours" on the backs of future electricians simply because YOU wanted more and more?

 

[MajinLink]

Social Security?

Medicare?

Medicaid?

Unemployment?

Food and product safety standards?

Obama's healthcare?

Oh...but we are getting rid of those...just very slowly...Do you really think those socialist programs will be around in the next 20-30 years? Not very likely if the finacial system collapses. Also, those programs have moved sooo far away from their intent, that support for them will be impossible soon. Just look at how the "socialist" programs are working in Europe right now. Will we be next?

Social Security will not put us in debt for almost 30 more years. You have to be a fool to think we'll just get rid of unemployment. Food and safety standards abolished? are you retarded?

Medicaid, Medicare, and many parts of "Obamacare" will eventually be phased out. Not for free market healthcare, but Medicare for all in similar fashion to Canada's Medicare or Britain's NHS.

 

[Truthmatters]

Glew how does it feel to be full of shit?

 

[DaGoose]

Also DaGoose...How does it feel to be in a union that sucks the blood out of the very industry that supports it? Perhaps abetter question is, how does it feel to "get yours" on the backs of future electricians simply because YOU wanted more and more?

You are simply showing your ignorance of unions, what they've accomplished and what they stand for. But to detail that would require an entire new thread.

 

[DaGoose]

Social Security?

Medicare?

Medicaid?

Unemployment?

Food and product safety standards?

Obama's healthcare?

Oh...but we are getting rid of those...just very slowly...Do you really think those socialist programs will be around in the next 20-30 years? Not very likely if the finacial system collapses. Also, those programs have moved sooo far away from their intent, that support for them will be impossible soon. Just look at how the "socialist" programs are working in Europe right now. Will we be next?

Please back up your claim that support for a program like Social Security is eroding, let alone becoming impossible.

Of course.....you would NEVER take part in such a "socialist" program, would you? You would never be so hypocritical as to sign up for it when your turn comes?

 

[glew]

You are simply showing your ignorance of unions, what they've accomplished and what they stand for. But to detail that would require an entire new thread.

You must have forgotten about the US auto industry...or the steel industry. Over the last 50 years, it hasn't been about workers rights or working conditions, but about how much more you can squeeze out of your evil boss.

Please back up your claim that support for a program like Social Security is eroding, let alone becoming impossible.

Ummm...Does Europe ring a bell. They call it austerity measures. But I am too ignorant to realize that means slashing all those socialist programs that can no longer be afforded. You make this too easy Goose. Also, I am not counting on Big Brother to support me at anytime in my life. I'm sure you will be one of those people holding the sign up that says "SAVE ME", instead of doing what you need to do to take care of yourself...hahaha..."WORKERS OF THE WORLD UNITE!"

 

[JBeukema]

Also DaGoose...How does it feel to be in a union that sucks the blood out of the very industry that supports it? Perhaps abetter question is, how does it feel to "get yours" on the backs of future electricians simply because YOU wanted more and more?

You are simply showing your ignorance of unions, what they've accomplished and what they stand for. But to detail that would require an entire new thread.

Many unions have betrayed their fellow workers and become greedy.

 

[JBeukema]

I was against the current HCR bill. I favour some form of Medicare Plus

 

[Annie]

Social Security?

Medicare?

Medicaid?

Unemployment?

Food and product safety standards?

Obama's healthcare?

Oh...but we are getting rid of those...just very slowly...Do you really think those socialist programs will be around in the next 20-30 years? Not very likely if the finacial system collapses. Also, those programs have moved sooo far away from their intent, that support for them will be impossible soon. Just look at how the "socialist" programs are working in Europe right now. Will we be next?

Please back up your claim that support for a program like Social Security is eroding, let alone becoming impossible.

Of course.....you would NEVER take part in such a "socialist" program, would you? You would never be so hypocritical as to sign up for it when your turn comes?

The people get it, especially the young and the old:

Poll: Faith in Social Security system tanking - USATODAY.com

Poll: Faith in Social
Security system
tanking

By Susan Page, USA TODAY

WASHINGTON — Battered by high unemployment
and record home foreclosures, most Americans
seem to have lost faith in another fundamental part
of their personal finances: Social Security.

A USA TODAY/Gallup Poll finds that a majority of
retirees say they expect their current benefits to be
cut, a dramatic increase in the number who hold
that view. And a record six of 10 non-retirees
predict Social Security won't be able to pay them
benefits when they stop working.

Skepticism is highest among the youngest workers:
Three-fourths of those 18 to 34 don't expect to get
a Social Security check when they retire...

 

[JBeukema]

It doesn't matter what people think; the math (reality) matters.

Show us the numbers.

 

[RadiomanATL]

Unions are a business. Their customers are workers.

And just like industries in years past, they try to use the power of the government to leverage their market position and expand their customer base with as little competition as possible through legislation.

 

[Annie]

Unions are a business. Their customers are workers.

And just like industries in years past, they try to use the power of the government to leverage their market position and expand their customer base with as little competition as possible through legislation.

Sums it up pretty well, imo. Unlike businesses though, they force the employees to pay and spend those dues on political activities that benefit the union leaders, oftentimes at the expense of the workers.

Notice that GM is 'profitable' now, while shutting down factories and laying off workers?

 

[JBeukema]

Unions are a business. Their customers are workers.

And just like industries in years past, they try to use the power of the government to leverage their market position and expand their customer base with as little competition as possible through legislation.

Isn't the competition between unions and businesses the market at work?

I thought conservatives said that was a good thing?

 

[RadiomanATL]

Unions are a business. Their customers are workers.

And just like industries in years past, they try to use the power of the government to leverage their market position and expand their customer base with as little competition as possible through legislation.

Isn't the competition between unions and businesses the market at work?

I thought conservatives said that was a good thing?

There's not always competition between unions and businesses. Sometimes there is, sometimes there isn't. The two's aims sometimes aren't opposed to each other every time.

From what I've seen locally, the renegotiations of contracts seems to be more of a formality. And the workers in non-union shops and union shops seem to get pretty much the same thing as far as pay and benefits. The only difference is that non-union shop employees don't have to pay anyone out of every paycheck to receive the same things. But those union reps gotta get paid somehow. And the unions need more "customers" to feed that beast.

But once a place goes union, there's no way for them to go back to non-union with the same ease as they went. Deck is stacked that way.

 

[MaggieMae]

Oh...but we are getting rid of those...just very slowly...Do you really think those socialist programs will be around in the next 20-30 years? Not very likely if the finacial system collapses. Also, those programs have moved sooo far away from their intent, that support for them will be impossible soon. Just look at how the "socialist" programs are working in Europe right now. Will we be next?

Please back up your claim that support for a program like Social Security is eroding, let alone becoming impossible.

Of course.....you would NEVER take part in such a "socialist" program, would you? You would never be so hypocritical as to sign up for it when your turn comes?

The people get it, especially the young and the old:

Poll: Faith in Social Security system tanking - USATODAY.com

Poll: Faith in Social
Security system
tanking

By Susan Page, USA TODAY

WASHINGTON — Battered by high unemployment
and record home foreclosures, most Americans
seem to have lost faith in another fundamental part
of their personal finances: Social Security.

A USA TODAY/Gallup Poll finds that a majority of
retirees say they expect their current benefits to be
cut, a dramatic increase in the number who hold
that view. And a record six of 10 non-retirees
predict Social Security won't be able to pay them
benefits when they stop working.

Skepticism is highest among the youngest workers:
Three-fourths of those 18 to 34 don't expect to get
a Social Security check when they retire...

The fix for Social Security is going to be a means test, i.e., when someone reaches the age where s/he can claim benefits, a dollar amount will be the maximum that can be claimed in benefits over and above what the lifetime contribution was. Also the maximum SS tax withheld from wages will be raised way above the current cutoff of $106,800 when, thereafter, a person pays nothing more into the system.