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Unions are a business. Their customers are workers.
And just like industries in years past, they try to use the power of the government to leverage their market position and expand their customer base with as little competition as possible through legislation.
Sums it up pretty well, imo. Unlike businesses though, they force the employees to pay and spend those dues on political activities that benefit the union leaders, oftentimes at the expense of the workers.
Notice that GM is 'profitable' now, while shutting down factories and laying off workers?
Oh...but we are getting rid of those...just very slowly...Do you really think those socialist programs will be around in the next 20-30 years? Not very likely if the finacial system collapses. Also, those programs have moved sooo far away from their intent, that support for them will be impossible soon. Just look at how the "socialist" programs are working in Europe right now. Will we be next?
Please back up your claim that support for a program like Social Security is eroding, let alone becoming impossible.
Of course.....you would NEVER take part in such a "socialist" program, would you? You would never be so hypocritical as to sign up for it when your turn comes?
The people get it, especially the young and the old:
Poll: Faith in Social
Security system
tanking
By Susan Page, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON Battered by high unemployment
and record home foreclosures, most Americans
seem to have lost faith in another fundamental part
of their personal finances: Social Security.
A USA TODAY/Gallup Poll finds that a majority of
retirees say they expect their current benefits to be
cut, a dramatic increase in the number who hold
that view. And a record six of 10 non-retirees
predict Social Security won't be able to pay them
benefits when they stop working.
Skepticism is highest among the youngest workers:
Three-fourths of those 18 to 34 don't expect to get
a Social Security check when they retire...
Please back up your claim that support for a program like Social Security is eroding, let alone becoming impossible.
Of course.....you would NEVER take part in such a "socialist" program, would you? You would never be so hypocritical as to sign up for it when your turn comes?
The people get it, especially the young and the old:
Poll: Faith in Social
Security system
tanking
By Susan Page, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON Battered by high unemployment
and record home foreclosures, most Americans
seem to have lost faith in another fundamental part
of their personal finances: Social Security.
A USA TODAY/Gallup Poll finds that a majority of
retirees say they expect their current benefits to be
cut, a dramatic increase in the number who hold
that view. And a record six of 10 non-retirees
predict Social Security won't be able to pay them
benefits when they stop working.
Skepticism is highest among the youngest workers:
Three-fourths of those 18 to 34 don't expect to get
a Social Security check when they retire...
I asked to be shown where the people don't want Social Security and this is what I get?
Oh well....I'll work with this then.
Take this to the bank. Social Security will be there.
Any politician that ever votes to not fund it or even mentions doing away with it will be committing poltical suicide. Why? Because it is a popular program that the vast majority want and expects to be there.
Social Security is here to stay. You don't like it? Then don't be a hypocrite and file for it when you reach that age.
The people get it, especially the young and the old:
I asked to be shown where the people don't want Social Security and this is what I get?
Oh well....I'll work with this then.
Take this to the bank. Social Security will be there.
Any politician that ever votes to not fund it or even mentions doing away with it will be committing poltical suicide. Why? Because it is a popular program that the vast majority want and expects to be there.
Social Security is here to stay. You don't like it? Then don't be a hypocrite and file for it when you reach that age.
How about if we don't like it, we get to keep our money and invest it at a higher rate of return than the government will ever do?
Deal?
I asked to be shown where the people don't want Social Security and this is what I get?
Oh well....I'll work with this then.
Take this to the bank. Social Security will be there.
Any politician that ever votes to not fund it or even mentions doing away with it will be committing poltical suicide. Why? Because it is a popular program that the vast majority want and expects to be there.
Social Security is here to stay. You don't like it? Then don't be a hypocrite and file for it when you reach that age.
How about if we don't like it, we get to keep our money and invest it at a higher rate of return than the government will ever do?
Deal?
No deal. Because.....
1) In order to do that you'd have to stop contributing to the current pool of retirees and will further cripple the system.
2) Given the latest rate of return over the last 8 years or so you could not ever afford to retire
3) If you ever ran out of benefits then the burden on our welfare system would be crippling as well.
I could see people, maybe even you, that would cry "It's my money and I want it NOW" like that stupid commercial. So then you would take it and blow it then turn to welfare and make the rest of us support you.
I know someone who railed against it all their life and vowed never to take it.
That person now lives with relatives and SS is their ONLY income.
How about if we don't like it, we get to keep our money and invest it at a higher rate of return than the government will ever do?
Deal?
No deal. Because.....
1) In order to do that you'd have to stop contributing to the current pool of retirees and will further cripple the system.
2) Given the latest rate of return over the last 8 years or so you could not ever afford to retire
3) If you ever ran out of benefits then the burden on our welfare system would be crippling as well.
I could see people, maybe even you, that would cry "It's my money and I want it NOW" like that stupid commercial. So then you would take it and blow it then turn to welfare and make the rest of us support you.
1. So they get to take money from me, leaving a system that will be defunct by the time I reach the age of benefits.
2. The rate of return is better than SS. Even in the past 8 years.
3. My choice, I'd be willing to forgo any welfare benefits.
I don't blow money.
I know someone who railed against it all their life and vowed never to take it.
That person now lives with relatives and SS is their ONLY income.
Then they're an idiot who had no idea how to prepare for the future.
No deal. Because.....
1) In order to do that you'd have to stop contributing to the current pool of retirees and will further cripple the system.
2) Given the latest rate of return over the last 8 years or so you could not ever afford to retire
3) If you ever ran out of benefits then the burden on our welfare system would be crippling as well.
I could see people, maybe even you, that would cry "It's my money and I want it NOW" like that stupid commercial. So then you would take it and blow it then turn to welfare and make the rest of us support you.
1. So they get to take money from me, leaving a system that will be defunct by the time I reach the age of benefits.
2. The rate of return is better than SS. Even in the past 8 years.
3. My choice, I'd be willing to forgo any welfare benefits.
I don't blow money.
1) It will not be defunct by the time you reach the age of benefits.
2) Social Security was not created as an investment fund. It was created as a safety net insurance fund designed to pay out as long as you live. So you have no worry about "Do I have enough to carry me all the way through my old age"?
3) Easy words to say but impossible to live up to. You'll end up being a burden on somebody (if not society as a whole).
I know someone who railed against it all their life and vowed never to take it.
That person now lives with relatives and SS is their ONLY income.
Then they're an idiot who had no idea how to prepare for the future.
No. You must be too young to know that in life "Shit Happens". Shit that is beyond your control.
awwww......ahahahahahahah
whos we, you got a mouse in your pocket?
Quit your caviling.
The American people are not with you cons
1. So they get to take money from me, leaving a system that will be defunct by the time I reach the age of benefits.
2. The rate of return is better than SS. Even in the past 8 years.
3. My choice, I'd be willing to forgo any welfare benefits.
I don't blow money.
1) It will not be defunct by the time you reach the age of benefits.
2) Social Security was not created as an investment fund. It was created as a safety net insurance fund designed to pay out as long as you live. So you have no worry about "Do I have enough to carry me all the way through my old age"?
3) Easy words to say but impossible to live up to. You'll end up being a burden on somebody (if not society as a whole).
1. Reality disagrees with you.
2. It takes more from me than it will pay out. If it ever pays anything to me.
3. Bullshit. Complete fabrication on your part.
Then they're an idiot who had no idea how to prepare for the future.
No. You must be too young to know that in life "Shit Happens". Shit that is beyond your control.
Thats why you prepare for the future. Thats the very definition of avoiding shit happening.
1) It will not be defunct by the time you reach the age of benefits.
2) Social Security was not created as an investment fund. It was created as a safety net insurance fund designed to pay out as long as you live. So you have no worry about "Do I have enough to carry me all the way through my old age"?
3) Easy words to say but impossible to live up to. You'll end up being a burden on somebody (if not society as a whole).
1. Reality disagrees with you.
2. It takes more from me than it will pay out. If it ever pays anything to me.
3. Bullshit. Complete fabrication on your part.
1) And the truth disagrees with you. As I've said, no politician will ever let SS die.
2) That will depend on how long you live. It's very likely you can collect more than you pay in.
3) No....hard truth my friend. I've seen it and again, it's easy to say you won't be a burden but in reality if you are old and broke you WILL be a burden.
No. You must be too young to know that in life "Shit Happens". Shit that is beyond your control.
Thats why you prepare for the future. Thats the very definition of avoiding shit happening.
Only a young, inexperienced person would say that. I'm betting you're under 25 years old because anybody older would know better than to make a statement like that.
No deal. Because.....
1) In order to do that you'd have to stop contributing to the current pool of retirees and will further cripple the system.
2) Given the latest rate of return over the last 8 years or so you could not ever afford to retire
3) If you ever ran out of benefits then the burden on our welfare system would be crippling as well.
I could see people, maybe even you, that would cry "It's my money and I want it NOW" like that stupid commercial. So then you would take it and blow it then turn to welfare and make the rest of us support you.
1. So they get to take money from me, leaving a system that will be defunct by the time I reach the age of benefits.
2. The rate of return is better than SS. Even in the past 8 years.
3. My choice, I'd be willing to forgo any welfare benefits.
I don't blow money.
1) It will not be defunct by the time you reach the age of benefits.
2) Social Security was not created as an investment fund. It was created as a safety net insurance fund designed to pay out as long as you live. So you have no worry about "Do I have enough to carry me all the way through my old age"?
3) Easy words to say but impossible to live up to. You'll end up being a burden on somebody (if not society as a whole).
1) It will not be defunct by the time you reach the age of benefits.
2) Social Security was not created as an investment fund. It was created as a safety net insurance fund designed to pay out as long as you live. So you have no worry about "Do I have enough to carry me all the way through my old age"?
3) Easy words to say but impossible to live up to. You'll end up being a burden on somebody (if not society as a whole).
1. Reality disagrees with you.
2. It takes more from me than it will pay out. If it ever pays anything to me.
3. Bullshit. Complete fabrication on your part.
1) And the truth disagrees with you. As I've said, no politician will ever let SS die.
2) That will depend on how long you live. It's very likely you can collect more than you pay in.
3) No....hard truth my friend. I've seen it and again, it's easy to say you won't be a burden but in reality if you are old and broke you WILL be a burden.
Thats why you prepare for the future. Thats the very definition of avoiding shit happening.
Only a young, inexperienced person would say that. I'm betting you're under 25 years old because anybody older would know better than to make a statement like that.
Wrong again.
But I bet you're used to that.
1. Reality disagrees with you.
2. It takes more from me than it will pay out. If it ever pays anything to me.
3. Bullshit. Complete fabrication on your part.
1) And the truth disagrees with you. As I've said, no politician will ever let SS die.
2) That will depend on how long you live. It's very likely you can collect more than you pay in.
3) No....hard truth my friend. I've seen it and again, it's easy to say you won't be a burden but in reality if you are old and broke you WILL be a burden.
1. Who said anything about letting it die? It's going to be broke.
2. Bullshit. Mathematical impossibility unless I live to well over 100.
3. Again, bullshit. Assuming facts not in evidence on your part. At this point, you're just making things up to reinforce your confirmation bias.
