Did voter fraud alter the outcome of the MN 2008 Senate race?

[rightwinger]

The fraud was committed by Republicans who prevented Franken from taking his rightfully won seat for six months

 

[Old Rocks]

Some research I did:




2008 Minnesota U.S. Senate Election: Results after election contest[1][2][64][65]
Party Candidate Votes
DFL Al Franken 1,212,629
Republican Norm Coleman 1,212,317


The difference?

312 votes.

The report finds that 113 individuals who voted illegally in the 2008 election have been convicted of the crime, "ineligible voter knowingly votes" under Minnesota Statute 201.014.

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Minnesota's recent charges and convictions stem from research initiated by Minnesota Majority. The research identified upwards of 2,800 ineligible felons believed to have unlawfully voted in Minnesota's 2008 general election.

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At the time of this report, nearly 200 additional cases are still pending trial.​

So: 113 convictions. 200 more pending cases. 2,800 ineligibles possibly voted.

United States Senate election in Minnesota, 2008 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Further investigations

In July 2010, Minnesota Majority, a conservative watchdog group, conducted a study in which they claimed that at least 341 convicted felons in the largely Democratic Minneapolis-St. Paul area voted illegally in the Senate race.[112] Subsequent investigations of Minnesota Majority's claims by election officials found that many of their allegations were incorrect. Some of the cases that were submitted involved mistaking a legal voter for a felon with the same name, others involved felons who had had their voting rights reinstated after serving their sentences, and others were felons who illegally registered to vote, but did not vote in 2008 election.[113][114] Columnist Nick Coleman of the Minneapolis-based Star Tribune called the idea that illegal voting by felons made a difference in the race "unbelievable" and the Minnesota Majority report "good fodder for a right-wing scare campaign."[115]

In October 2010, the Hennepin County Sheriff's Office concluded an extensive investigation into 110 allegations of fraud, which resulted in six charges being filed — two individuals were charged with the separate felonies of registering to vote while ineligible and voting while ineligible and four others were charged with voting while ineligible.[116]

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[Uncensored2008]

That assumes those 113 people all voted for Franken. And it still wouldn't have made a difference.

They were criminals, of course they voted for Franken.

Personally, I'm wondering why you think a person with a criminal record shouldn't be allowed to vote. They did their time.

No doubt YOU would allow them to voted democrat while in prison.

 

[Uncensored2008]

How do you know for sure that just the dem party was the only beneficiary?

Seriously dude, you don't put sausage gravy on apple pie.

Voter fraud and democrats are biscuits and gravy. The two are commonly found together.

Are you trying to sell that there is no voter fraud coming from the con side?

How so?

The demagoguecrats pride themselves on their complete lack of ethics and integrity - it's a BIG part of the party. democrats purge themselves of integrity the way Vulcans purge emotion. Lies, fraud, corruption, and demagoguery define what it is to be a democrat.

 

[JoeB131]

That assumes those 113 people all voted for Franken. And it still wouldn't have made a difference.

They were criminals, of course they voted for Franken.

Personally, I'm wondering why you think a person with a criminal record shouldn't be allowed to vote. They did their time.

No doubt YOU would allow them to voted democrat while in prison.

Some countries do let convicts vote. Israel does, for instance, if they are Jews.

to the point, though, when you've got the national insanity of throwing 2 million people in prison and a lot more on parole or probation or with convictions to feed a prison industrial complex, you probably need to address this level of disenfranchisement.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Some countries do let convicts vote. Israel does, for instance, if they are Jews.

Ah yes, like so many leftists, you're a Nazi fuck.

Of course Israel has NO bearing on U.S. elections. Whether felons vote is an issue each state decides.

to the point, though, when you've got the national insanity of throwing 2 million people in prison and a lot more on parole or probation or with convictions to feed a prison industrial complex, you probably need to address this level of disenfranchisement.

So, would you then demand that 2 million votes be added to the democrats each election, just to be fair?

Or would you rather just do away with elections and have the party directly appoint our rulers?

 

[JoeB131]

Some countries do let convicts vote. Israel does, for instance, if they are Jews.

Ah yes, like so many leftists, you're a Nazi fuck.

Of course Israel has NO bearing on U.S. elections. Whether felons vote is an issue each state decides.

to the point, though, when you've got the national insanity of throwing 2 million people in prison and a lot more on parole or probation or with convictions to feed a prison industrial complex, you probably need to address this level of disenfranchisement.

So, would you then demand that 2 million votes be added to the democrats each election, just to be fair?

Or would you rather just do away with elections and have the party directly appoint our rulers?

The Zionists have become the Nazis... It's kind of sad, they are like abused children who've gotten big enough to beat up on someon else.

But to the point, why should one lose the franchise because you were convicted of a crime?

The sentence should be you lose your freedom or your property or your good name. But they should not be able to take away your constitutional rights.

 

[Uncensored2008]

The Zionists have become the Nazis...

Yawn.

Of course they have, Adolf.

It's kind of sad, they are like abused children who've gotten big enough to beat up on someon else.

Oh look, another leftist spewing Nazi talking points. How unique...

But to the point, why should one lose the franchise because you were convicted of a crime?

Take that up with the states. However, your shameful party tends to VIOLATE election law by having felons, illegal aliens, and particularly the dead, vote.

The sentence should be you lose your freedom or your property or your good name. But they should not be able to take away your constitutional rights.

Start a campaign in Chicago to change the laws of your state, then.

 

[JoeB131]

Take that up with the states. However, your shameful party tends to VIOLATE election law by having felons, illegal aliens, and particularly the dead, vote.

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Yet oddly, the Bush Adminstration did a five year investigation trying to prove organized vote fraud and came up completely empty...

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/12/washington/12fraud.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all

 

[Fordsflylow]

Some countries do let convicts vote. Israel does, for instance, if they are Jews.

to the point, though, when you've got the national insanity of throwing 2 million people in prison and a lot more on parole or probation or with convictions to feed a prison industrial complex, you probably need to address this level of disenfranchisement.

That'd be OVER 2 million, more like 2.5 mil and well over any other industrialized country excluding China. Non violent felons are still citizens and I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to vote.

 

[JoeB131]

Some countries do let convicts vote. Israel does, for instance, if they are Jews.

to the point, though, when you've got the national insanity of throwing 2 million people in prison and a lot more on parole or probation or with convictions to feed a prison industrial complex, you probably need to address this level of disenfranchisement.

That'd be OVER 2 million, more like 2.5 mil and well over any other industrialized country excluding China. Non violent felons are still citizens and I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to vote.

actually, we have more prisoners than China does, a communist dictatorship with four times as many people.

Which is exactly the problem with making prisons a for-profit business. If someone makes money off it, you get a lot more of that, so you get three-strikes laws putting people in prison for life for stealing a slice of pizza.

 

[Fordsflylow]

I totally agree! For profit is not the answer in many cases not just this one.

 

[Uncensored2008]

actually, we have more prisoners than China does, a communist dictatorship with four times as many people.

Which is exactly the problem with making prisons a for-profit business. If someone makes money off it, you get a lot more of that, so you get three-strikes laws putting people in prison for life for stealing a slice of pizza.

Comrade Stalin - can I call you Comrade Joe?

Anyway, name the states making a profit on incarceration of prisoners?

I'll wait while you make shit up or consult DailyKOS....

 

[Uncensored2008]

Yet oddly, the Bush Adminstration did a five year investigation trying to prove organized vote fraud and came up completely empty...

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/12/washington/12fraud.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all

{ The report found that there are about 1.8 million dead people listed as active voters. Some 2.8 million people have active registrations in more than one state. And 12 million registrations have errors serious enough to make it unlikely that mailings based on them will reach voters.

“These problems waste taxpayer dollars, undermine voter confidence and fuel partisan disputes over the integrity of our elections,” said David Becker, director of election initiatives at the center. }

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/14/u...report-finds.html?scp=3&sq=dead people&st=cse

Try again, troll.

 

[kiwiman127]

Man,,this never dies,,,except in the courts.
Look, the RNC and the Minny GOP hired their top attorneys to represent them. After all the proceedings/presentations/recounts; etc, Franken was declared the winner. The GOP accepted it and Norm Coleman accepted it, they all moved on. Also, Norm Coleman is making a ton-o-bucks with the PAC he started. He's happy. But I guess some people are still hung up on this event almost 4 years later.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Man,,this never dies,,,except in the courts.
Look, the RNC and the Minny GOP hired their top attorneys to represent them. After all the proceedings/presentations/recounts; etc, Franken was declared the winner. The GOP accepted it and Norm Coleman accepted it, they all moved on. Also, Norm Coleman is making a ton-o-bucks with the PAC he started. He's happy. But I guess some people are still hung up on this event almost 4 years later.

Yep, we should just accept the fact that democrats will use fraud to steal elections.

 

[kiwiman127]

Man,,this never dies,,,except in the courts.
Look, the RNC and the Minny GOP hired their top attorneys to represent them. After all the proceedings/presentations/recounts; etc, Franken was declared the winner. The GOP accepted it and Norm Coleman accepted it, they all moved on. Also, Norm Coleman is making a ton-o-bucks with the PAC he started. He's happy. But I guess some people are still hung up on this event almost 4 years later.

Yep, we should just accept the fact that democrats will use fraud to steal elections.

Yeah, like the Dems are the only ones that use voter fraud.

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I did a Google search and had no problem finding the GOP mixed up with voter fraud. So,,,why not either call it a day or write a post regarding your outrage with the GOP and the voter fraud they are connected with or accept that both parties have practiced voter fraud.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I oppose voter fraud in all forms and cases.

That's why common sense safeguards, such as voter ID, are so important.

 

[Fordsflylow]

Man,,this never dies,,,except in the courts.
Look, the RNC and the Minny GOP hired their top attorneys to represent them. After all the proceedings/presentations/recounts; etc, Franken was declared the winner. The GOP accepted it and Norm Coleman accepted it, they all moved on. Also, Norm Coleman is making a ton-o-bucks with the PAC he started. He's happy. But I guess some people are still hung up on this event almost 4 years later.

Yep, we should just accept the fact that democrats will use fraud to steal elections.

It obviously appears you write shit straight out your ass. So, what is so bad about those lib's that has ya all in a bunch?

 

[Fordsflylow]

I oppose voter fraud in all forms and cases.

That's why common sense safeguards, such as voter ID, are so important.

So, you like socialism, communism, etc.? How about supporting the US CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO VOTE, do you support that - or just claim to? How about democracy, do you support that - or just claim to?

The only voter fraud worth writing about and REALLY matters is the fraud that takes place and IS TAKING PLACE trying to disenfranchise voters. The con's are behind it AND only focusing on those voters who tend to vote democratic. They know they cannot win on their radical issues so they are trying to rig the process.

It's a waste of limited money to those who are among the poor and no different than a poll tax. It is a hassle and unaffordable to those who are elderly and on a fixed income. Both classes which already have no voice in DC or their respective states due to corporate money and influence.