Did Roberts Change His Mind ?

[J.E.D]

Maybe he should quit, maybe he no longer has the stomach to be a right wing jerk.

Maybe Dick Cheney could take him and Ginsburg duck hunting !

Maybe he should get shot in the face? Wow, you wingnuts sure are gracious losers.

 

[Moonglow]

You do know that supremes made their decision right after the lawyers were threw presenting their arguements to the supremes and the supremes and staff have had the results of their vote hidden in secrecy till last week?

 

[Care4all]

we should probably just go to a single payer plan, that way all are covered, wealthy, middle, and the poor, from birth, and it would save us all money by cutting out the middle man, the paper pusher expense. We pay nearly $8k a year for health care insurance when said and done....i'd gladly give $5k extra a year in a healthcare tax for a Medical plan such as an improved Medicare for the rest of the country younger than 65....Shoot, it would still save us $3k a year from what we are paying now...

I truly don't know if my suggestion above is the be all, said all, answer...

I'm open to hear anyone's suggestion on how we can solve the major problems we've had with health insurance costs on the individuals like Matt and me, going up 10% a year for the past 15 years...employers are contributing less and less towards the total costs plus the insurance policies have gone up. We own our home, and cars so our health Insurance costs are the biggest expense we have, besides Food.....so we still count ourselves as ''part of the Lucky ones'', but I just can't imagine how hard it must be on others with a limited income....

There's got to be something we can do, to make things better....but in a smart way....we are smart people, we like solving problems, we hit challenges head on every day of the week....we should certainly be able to face this 100 lb gorilla of a problem, and come up with a solution that's good.

Single payer won't work. Fifty per cent of AMericans pay ZERO income tax. you expect the other fifty perscent to carry you ass on healthcare too? We got too may lazy assed bitches in the wagon and not enough people to pull it.

reading problems this morning willow? I did mention some sort of health care tax, replacing what we pay now for our health care insurance....etc etc etc....reread it, pretty please.

 

[konradv]

If I can be taxed or imprisoned for taking NO action, it is harm.

Rhetorical question my ass. I love how the word 'freeloader' is now being twisted to mean "Someone who refuses to depend on the government". Some talking point go out that you must parrot lately? You're the second person in 2 days on the ultra left kook that's spouting this language change nonsense.

How is buying private insurance "depending on the government"? The freeloaders I'm talking about are those who don't buy insurance when they can afford it, knowing that when they need it, we'll take care of them anyway. Morally that's worse than those who can't afford it getting care.

 

[konradv]

reading problems this morning willow? I did mention some sort of health care tax, replacing what we pay now for our health care insurance....etc etc etc....reread it, pretty please.

I think reading harshes her buzz and complicates her rhetoric with facts.

 

[WillowTree]

we should probably just go to a single payer plan, that way all are covered, wealthy, middle, and the poor, from birth, and it would save us all money by cutting out the middle man, the paper pusher expense. We pay nearly $8k a year for health care insurance when said and done....i'd gladly give $5k extra a year in a healthcare tax for a Medical plan such as an improved Medicare for the rest of the country younger than 65....Shoot, it would still save us $3k a year from what we are paying now...

I truly don't know if my suggestion above is the be all, said all, answer...

I'm open to hear anyone's suggestion on how we can solve the major problems we've had with health insurance costs on the individuals like Matt and me, going up 10% a year for the past 15 years...employers are contributing less and less towards the total costs plus the insurance policies have gone up. We own our home, and cars so our health Insurance costs are the biggest expense we have, besides Food.....so we still count ourselves as ''part of the Lucky ones'', but I just can't imagine how hard it must be on others with a limited income....

There's got to be something we can do, to make things better....but in a smart way....we are smart people, we like solving problems, we hit challenges head on every day of the week....we should certainly be able to face this 100 lb gorilla of a problem, and come up with a solution that's good.

Single payer won't work. Fifty per cent of AMericans pay ZERO income tax. you expect the other fifty perscent to carry you ass on healthcare too? We got too may lazy assed bitches in the wagon and not enough people to pull it.

reading problems this morning willow? I did mention some sort of health care tax, replacing what we pay now for our health care insurance....etc etc etc....reread it, pretty please.

I think we've been taxed enough already if ya know what I mean. we don't need you adding taxes.. dumbass.

 

[WillowTree]

If I can be taxed or imprisoned for taking NO action, it is harm.

Rhetorical question my ass. I love how the word 'freeloader' is now being twisted to mean "Someone who refuses to depend on the government". Some talking point go out that you must parrot lately? You're the second person in 2 days on the ultra left kook that's spouting this language change nonsense.

How is buying private insurance "depending on the government"? The freeloaders I'm talking about are those who don't buy insurance when they can afford it, knowing that when they need it, we'll take care of them anyway. Morally that's worse than those who can't afford it getting care.

You are forcing people to do what they may or may not choose to do. So you can no longer say you are pro choice. You are now the party of Pro Tax. mandate. You will do what we tell you do when we tell you to do it or we will punish you with a tax. The government has taken over the health care insurance industry. you damn right it is socialism. you're giving away your rights with boths fist and loving it aren't ya? They're putting the IRS and a 15 member death panel in place to decide your fate. I laugh at your fucking stupidity.

 

[konradv]

If I can be taxed or imprisoned for taking NO action, it is harm.

Rhetorical question my ass. I love how the word 'freeloader' is now being twisted to mean "Someone who refuses to depend on the government". Some talking point go out that you must parrot lately? You're the second person in 2 days on the ultra left kook that's spouting this language change nonsense.

How is buying private insurance "depending on the government"? The freeloaders I'm talking about are those who don't buy insurance when they can afford it, knowing that when they need it, we'll take care of them anyway. Morally that's worse than those who can't afford it getting care.

You are forcing people to do what they may or may not choose to do. So you can no longer say you are pro choice. You are now the party of Pro Tax. mandate. You will do what we tell you do when we tell you to do it or we will punish you with a tax. The government has taken over the health care insurance industry. you damn right it is socialism. you're giving away your rights with boths fist and loving it aren't ya? They're putting the IRS and a 15 member death panel in place to decide your fate. I laugh at your fucking stupidity.

Stupidity is paying for the care of people who can afford insurance.

 

[WillowTree]

How is buying private insurance "depending on the government"? The freeloaders I'm talking about are those who don't buy insurance when they can afford it, knowing that when they need it, we'll take care of them anyway. Morally that's worse than those who can't afford it getting care.

You are forcing people to do what they may or may not choose to do. So you can no longer say you are pro choice. You are now the party of Pro Tax. mandate. You will do what we tell you do when we tell you to do it or we will punish you with a tax. The government has taken over the health care insurance industry. you damn right it is socialism. you're giving away your rights with boths fist and loving it aren't ya? They're putting the IRS and a 15 member death panel in place to decide your fate. I laugh at your fucking stupidity.

Stupidity is paying for the care of people who can afford insurance.

Well then asswipe all you had to do was pass a law requiring them to work off their bills. You didn't have to tax the shit out of the rest of us. goddamn but you assholes are stupid.

 

[konradv]

You are forcing people to do what they may or may not choose to do. So you can no longer say you are pro choice. You are now the party of Pro Tax. mandate. You will do what we tell you do when we tell you to do it or we will punish you with a tax. The government has taken over the health care insurance industry. you damn right it is socialism. you're giving away your rights with boths fist and loving it aren't ya? They're putting the IRS and a 15 member death panel in place to decide your fate. I laugh at your fucking stupidity.

Stupidity is paying for the care of people who can afford insurance.

Well then asswipe all you had to do was pass a law requiring them to work off their bills. You didn't have to tax the shit out of the rest of us. goddamn but you assholes are stupid.

I'm not going to be getting taxed. I have insurance. Sorry to harsh your buzz.

 

[Jackson]

Question: Are those waivers for Congress, special companies and unions still in effect?

from my understanding, Congress was NEVER waived, just another lie. Their Insurance company choices, will participate in the exchange like all other insurance companies...

don't know what you mean on the unions etc....? please explain....what will they be exempt from, specifically, and how long will they have this exemption?

Congress was always exempt. The list is probably available but yopu'll have to look for it. All of the waivers are still in effect until 1214, when Obama thought he was safely in place.

I did some research to answer my own question.

 

[WillowTree]

Stupidity is paying for the care of people who can afford insurance.

Well then asswipe all you had to do was pass a law requiring them to work off their bills. You didn't have to tax the shit out of the rest of us. goddamn but you assholes are stupid.

I'm not going to be getting taxed. I have insurance. Sorry to harsh your buzz.

22 taxes are embedded within this 2700 page bill no one read before they signed in including stupid in chief. go ahead and keep believing you won't be taxes.. I'll just keep at you.

 

[konradv]

Well then asswipe all you had to do was pass a law requiring them to work off their bills. You didn't have to tax the shit out of the rest of us. goddamn but you assholes are stupid.

I'm not going to be getting taxed. I have insurance. Sorry to harsh your buzz.

22 taxes are embedded within this 2700 page bill no one read before they signed in including stupid in chief. go ahead and keep believing you won't be taxes.. I'll just keep at you.

So you don't have a problem with the mandate then? That's what I was talking about. After all, it'll only be directed at freeloaders.

 

[Dot Com]

I see WillowTree is still smarting from the conservative Bush Court's ruling.

I don't like it. Sue me asswipe. I do however like Citizens United. It's our pathway to regain sanity.

Figures you'd be for the auctioning-off of political offices to the highest bidder

 

[jillian]

I see WillowTree is still smarting from the conservative Bush Court's ruling.

I don't like it. Sue me asswipe. I do however like Citizens United. It's our pathway to regain sanity.

Figures you'd be for the auctioning-off of political offices to the highest bidder

you expect anything less from her?

 

[Jackson]

I don't like it. Sue me asswipe. I do however like Citizens United. It's our pathway to regain sanity.

Figures you'd be for the auctioning-off of political offices to the highest bidder

you expect anything less from her?

Spoken like a diplomatic moderator without biases.

 

[Care4all]

Question: Are those waivers for Congress, special companies and unions still in effect?

from my understanding, Congress was NEVER waived, just another lie. Their Insurance company choices, will participate in the exchange like all other insurance companies...

don't know what you mean on the unions etc....? please explain....what will they be exempt from, specifically, and how long will they have this exemption?

Congress was always exempt. The list is probably available but yopu'll have to look for it. All of the waivers are still in effect until 1214, when Obama thought he was safely in place.

I did some research to answer my own question.

if you did the research, then please answer me this...what was congress exempt from? that's all I want to know....what is this "exemption" that you speak of, for Jackson?

Edit: Was it for a "part" of the ACA, for all of the ACA?

 

[WillowTree]

Figures you'd be for the auctioning-off of political offices to the highest bidder

you expect anything less from her?

Spoken like a diplomatic moderator without biases.

moderators are allowed to have biases. and don't talk about em or she'll neg your sorry conservative ass!

 

[Freewill]

Rumors had been circulating in legal circles for weeks that Chief Justice Roberts in particular was under enormous political pressure not to be the vote that would overturn the most significant piece of social legislation passed by Congress in decades. Indeed, in April President Obama took the unusual step of issuing something of a public warning on the subject, saying that he was “confident that the Supreme Court will not take what would be an unprecedented, extraordinary step of overturning a law that was passed by a strong majority of a democratically elected Congress.”

It is impossible for a lawyer to read even the first few pages of the dissent without coming away with the impression that this is a majority opinion that at the last moment lost its fifth vote. Its structure and tone are those of a winning coalition, not that of the losing side in the most controversial Supreme Court case in many years. But when we get to Page 13, far more conclusive evidence appears: No less than 15 times in the space of the next few pages, the dissent refers to Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s concurring opinion as “Justice Ginsburg’s dissent.”

There is one likely explanation for this: The dissent was the majority opinion when those who voted to overturn the entire ACA signed off on sending their text to the printer. In other words, Chief Justice Roberts changed his vote at the very last possible moment.

Did John Roberts switch his vote? - Salon.com

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Enormous political pressure to not overturn ?

How in the hell does a CJ bow to political pressure. I don't give a rats ass about the "legitimacy" of the court. If Roberts caved, he should remove himself from the court. We don't need him.

The very idea that we have this sorry assed legislation because he bowed...makes me vomit.

And, I like that the article specfically points out that Obama made those public statements.

Obama...our so-called "Constitutional Scholar"/Moron-In-Chief basically would be guilty of interfering with what is supposed to be a separate branch of government.

But you libs liked that...anything for the victory...You've joined Obama in wiping your asses with the constitution for decades. You might as well have it printed on Charmin so you can make the job easier.

Roberts is being treated for epilepsy so I am told. The drug may have made him act in a way that was detached from his reality or any one's reality. After this he should be removed from the bench for being mentally incompetent, but only after Obama leaves office.

 

[Care4all]

Question: Are those waivers for Congress, special companies and unions still in effect?

from my understanding, Congress was NEVER waived, just another lie. Their Insurance company choices, will participate in the exchange like all other insurance companies...

don't know what you mean on the unions etc....? please explain....what will they be exempt from, specifically, and how long will they have this exemption?

Congress was always exempt. The list is probably available but yopu'll have to look for it. All of the waivers are still in effect until 1214, when Obama thought he was safely in place.

I did some research to answer my own question.

Apparently you did not research far enough or are stuck on only right wing rags...pardon the insult towards these propaganda sites....

Here is your answer:

Q: Does the health care bill specifically exempt members of Congress and their staffs from its provisions?
A: No. This twisted claim is based on misrepresentations of the House and Senate bills, neither of which exempts lawmakers.


We’ve received many questions about claims that House and Senate members would be exempt from the health care legislation taking shape in Congress. But neither the House nor the Senate bill exempts Congress from its provisions.
Members of Congress are subject to the legislation’s mandate to have insurance, and the plans available to them must meet the same minimum benefit standards that other insurance plans will have to meet. "All plans would have to follow those requirements by 2019," Aaron Albright, press secretary for the House Committee on Education and Labor, told FactCheck.org. "People actually believe we wrote in the bill that Congress exempts itself from these requirements. That falsehood has been going around since the very beginning."

FactCheck.org : Congress Exempt from Health Bill?

FactCheck.org : More Malarkey About Health Care

Make certain, if you have the time, you read the whole thing, and both articles....don't just go by the few paragraphs I was permitted to copy and post via copyright restrictions.... so to better inform yourself...I learned a few things from the articles...