Demystifying Shariah Law: What It Is, & Why It's Not Taking Over USA...we need anti-Islamophobia education in the wake of Rezwan Kohistani's lynching

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Islam wasn't even an idea for 600 years to come when the fist Christian church was founded in Jerusalem by James, the brother of Christ circa 33 A.D.

And Buddhism came before Christianity.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

And Buddhism came before Christianity.

How is that even relative to a discussion of Jerusalem and the Muslim Conquest of Jerusalem?

 

[OKTexas]

I do not get your point, in that Sharia is the origin of all western law.
Before that, law was arbitrary and based on whatever an autocratic monarch decreed.
Sharia was the first significant attempt at the rule of law, blind justice, etc.
It put judges over tyrants.
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A “mufti” is an Islamic jurisconsult used by Muslim-majority Egypt as part of its legal system, which is based on Islamic law, or sharia. Egypt’s constitution states that “Islam is the religion of the state … and the principles of Islamic sharia are the main sources of legislation.”
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That can't possibly be true according to the OP.

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[Fort Fun Indiana]

How is that even relative to a discussion of Jerusalem and the Muslim Conquest of modern day Israel?

It shows that 'what came first' is arbitrary, not virtuous. Alchemy came before chemistry. Does that lend it value? Nope.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

It shows that 'what came first' is arbitrary, not virtuous. Alchemy came before chemistry. Does that lend it value? Nope.

Ahh, so you're just trying to derail the discussion. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Ahh, so you're just trying to derail the discussion. Thanks for clearing that up.

I spoke right to your commentss, and I even explained how, upon your request, like your mommy might do. Stop your insufferable whining.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

I spoke right to your commentss, and I even explained how, upon your request, like your mommy might do. Stop your insufferable whining.

No, you're simply attempting to derail the discussion as Buddhism has absolutely nothing to do with what's being discussed relative to the History of Christianity in Jerusalem.

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Christians had no interest or connection to Jerusalem any more, since the Romans left around 300 AD.

Ring any bells or did you not bother to even get the context of the conversation before spewing your rhetorical diarrhea?

If you want to discuss the history of Buddhism start a thread on it and leave it out of this one.

 

[Redfish]

Not true.
Sharia is mostly about rules for marriage, welfare, etc.
The stories about stoning for adultery are not Sharia, but predate Mohammad and come from the Old Testament Judaism.

those things go on today in muslim countries, you are either very ignorant or a muslim plant.

 

[Redfish]

Yes, they do.

Narrated Ibn `Umar: The 'Prophet said, "It is obligatory for one to listen to and obey (the ruler's orders) unless these orders involve one disobedience (to Allah); but if an act of disobedience (to Allah) is imposed, he should not listen to or obey it."

Islam has been for 1400 years, if counting from the time of the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him).

yes, in your quote. if the ruler's orders violate the Koran they do not have to be obeyed, you are wrong.

 

[Uranus]

yes, in your quote. if the ruler's orders violate the Koran they do not have to be obeyed, you are wrong.

How does that make me wrong? What is it that the US law obliges you to do that a Muslim cannot do?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

No, you're simply attempting to derail the discussion as Buddhism has absolutely nothing to do with what's being discussed relative to the History of Christianity in Jerusalem.



Ring any bells or did you not bother to even get the context of the conversation before spewing your rhetorical diarrhea?

If you want to discuss the history of Buddhism start a thread on it and leave it out of this one.

I wasn't adding to the context. I was adding a.comment. if I had known you would degenerate into a blubbering blob of crybaby so quickly, I would have added two.

 

[basquebromance]

In Afghanistan if a 12-year-old girl is raped and impregnated by her father, she must carry the baby to term, or be thrown in prison for life.

Wait, sorry, no. That's Alabama.

 

[Uranus]

Only if necessary in order to prevent harm to others.
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Generally speaking, lying is shunned in Islam. However, there is a practice called taqiyya where lying is permissible under three conditions: battle, reconciliation of people, reconciling of spouses. Muhammad advocated against lying and he said lying against him would result in going to hell. But generally, lying is to be shunned. However, the Christian must be aware that a Muslim can practice lying in order to advance Islam.

1. Shun what is false
   1. Surah 22:30, “Such (is the Pilgrimage): whoever honours the sacred rites of Allah, for him it is good in the Sight of his Lord. Lawful to you (for food in Pilgrimage) are cattle, except those mentioned to you (as exception): but shun the abomination of idols, and shun the word that is false.”
2. Lying against Allah is forbidden
   1. Surah 6:93, “Who can be more wicked than one who inventeth a lie against Allah, or saith, “I have received inspiration,” when he hath received none, or (again) who saith, “I can reveal the like of what Allah hath revealed”? If thou couldst but see how the wicked (do fare) in the flood of confusion at death!—the angels stretch forth their hands, (saying),“Yield up your souls: this day shall ye receive your reward—a penalty of shame, for that ye used to tell lies against Allah, and scornfully to reject of His signs!”
3. Lying against Muhammad gets you hell
   1. Narrated Al-Mughira: I heard the Prophet saying, “Ascribing false things to me is not like ascribing false things to anyone else. Whosoever tells a lie against me intentionally then surely let him occupy his seat in Hell-Fire.” I heard the Prophet saying, “The deceased who is wailed over is tortured for that wailing.” (Sahih Bukhari, Book #23, Hadith #378)
4. Lying forbidden except in three cases: battle, reconciliation, to spouse
   1. “Humaid b. ‘Abd al-Rahman b. ‘Auf reported that his mother Umm Kulthum daughter of ‘Uqba b. Abu Mu’ait, and she was one amongst the first emigrants who pledged allegiance to Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him), as saying that she heard Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: A liar is not one who tries to bring reconciliation amongst people and speaks good (in order to avert dispute), or he conveys good. Ibn Shihab said he did not hear that exemption was granted in anything what the people speak as lie but in three cases: in battle, for bringing reconciliation amongst persons and the narration of the words of the husband to his wife, and the narration of the words of a wife to her husband (in a twisted form in order to bring reconciliation between them).” (Sahih Muslim, Book #032, Hadith #6303)
5. Lying is okay if it makes peace between people
   1. Narrated Um Kulthum bint Uqba: That she heard Allah’s Apostle saying, “He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar.” (Sahih Bukhari, Book #49, Hadith #857)
6. Muhammad permitted lying
   1. Narrated Jabir bin ‘Abdullah: Allah’s Apostle said, “Who is willing to kill Ka’b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?” Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, “O Allah’s Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?” The Prophet said, “Yes,” Muhammad bin Maslama said, “Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). “The Prophet said, “You may say it.” (Sahih Bukhari, Book #59, Hadith #369)
7. Permissible under compulsion
   1. Surah 16:106, “Any one who, after accepting faith in Allah, utters Unbelief—except under compulsion, his heart remaining firm in Faith—but such as open their breast to Unbelief, on them is Wrath from Allah, and theirs will be a dreadful Penalty.”

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Islam by topic: Lying

Islam teaches that lying is mostly wrong but is permissible in war, reconciliation of people, between spouses, or in other such situations.

carm.org

You're seriously using a Christian site to explain Islamic rulings? Taqiyyah is when a muslim says something that is contrary to his faith due to fear of harm to himself if he does not do so. It is only used in extreme cases of necessity when there is no other choice.

Lying to one's spouse is not taqiyyah.

 

[Uranus]

Or you can just go fundie Islam and assume the whole of Sharia and the whole of the Quran are one in the same, absolute list of truths, and pull this one out. The Taliban do it routinely:

Surah 2:191: "And kill them (non-Muslims) wherever you find them … kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers (non-Muslims)."

Surah 9:5: "Then kill the disbelievers (non-Muslims) wherever you find them, capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush …"

You say, look at the texts, and then you quote wikipedia that does nothing to answer my question.

The quranic verses are referring to war.
You shouldn't cut quotes in order to deceive.

2:191 actually says: "Kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from where they drove you out, as Fitnah (to create disorder) is more severe than killing. However, do not fight them near Al-Masjid-ul-Harām (the Sacred Mosque in Makkah) unless they fight you there. However, if they fight you (there) you may kill them. Such is the reward of the disbelievers."

 

[rylah]

How does that make me wrong? What is it that the US law obliges you to do that a Muslim cannot do?

Fight a Muslim country.
Treat minorities with dignity.
Respect G-d's will for free choice - above religion.
Engage in sincere debate raising serious questions about Islam.

 

[basquebromance]

This is an official statement from the Afghan-American community:

“We are calling for a transparent, thorough and comprehensive investigation into the death of Rezwan Kohistani, a teenage Muslim, Afghan refugee whose body was found hanging at Webb City High School this month. We are also calling for a school district investigation into allegations that Rezwan experienced severe school bullying due to his faith and ethnicity, and any causal relationship that bullying may have had with his death.

Rezwan and his family arrived in Missouri as refugees. They reportedly struggled to adjust to life in their new home, where they were one of few Muslim families in the area. Linguistic and cultural barriers made transitioning difficult. Unfortunately, this is not uncommon. Thousands of recently arrived #Afghan_refugees are receiving insufficient support from refugee agencies and the government. Too many refugees aren't getting the tools they need to learn English, find jobs, & adjust to their new lives.

The shocking, tragic death of Rezwan Kohistani must be a wake-up call. Our government must do more to ensure that newly arrived Afghans receive the assistance they need.”

 

[Uranus]

Fight a Muslim country.
Treat minorities with dignity.
Respect G-d's will for free choice - above religion.
Engage in sincere debate raising serious questions about Islam.

As irrelevant as always. None of those are obligations.

 

[rylah]

As irrelevant as always. None of those are obligations.

In other words,
you admit that Islamic doctrine,
goes against basic American social contracts listed above.

 

[Turtlesoup]

Honor killings are from the Old Testament, so are Judaism, not Sharia or in the Quran.
The Quran and Mohammad were quite clear that Jews and Christians were not to be harmed in any way, much less murdered.
It is a strict religion for my tastes, but not at all intolerant of other religions.

Which is all a lie...........

"In a recent issue of the Chronicle, Vern Smalley claims that "nowhere in the Koran does it say to kill infidels." This is untrue.
The Koran (translated by Dawood in Penguin Classics series) says, "When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them" (Sura 9:5). "When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield, strike off their heads" (Sura 47:4). "Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate" (Sura 9:73). "The true believers fight for the cause of God, but the infidels fight for the devil. Fight then against the friends of Satan" (Sura 4:76). Who are these idolaters and unbelievers and infidels? Those who are not strict Muslims. "Muhammad is God's Apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another" (Sura 48:29).

For the orthodox Muslim, the Koran's commands are valid for all time. Fifteen hundred years later, Iran's Ayatollah Khomeini (a better authority on the Koran than either Smalley or I) is able to say, "Islam says: Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Islam says Kill them (the non-Muslims), put them to the sword and scatter [their armies]. Kill in the service of Allah those who may want to kill you!" (quoted in "Islam Unveiled" by Robert Spencer, p. 35).
Islam is the not same as Unitarianism or Christian Science, and wishful thinking won't make it so."


Muslims lie all the time about their religion--their religion tells them too.

 

[Uranus]

In other words,
you admit that Islamic doctrine,
goes against basic American social contracts listed above.

Do you admit that it is a basic American social contract to fight a Muslim country?

No, but will not waste time discussing your suggestion since it didn't answer the question. There were two requirements for a correct answer:

1. An obligation of an American.
2. Prohibited for a Muslim to do.

You listed things that are neither. With some conditions we could accept number 2, but that is not only permissable, but an obligation of a Muslim to begin with.