Dems Telling Us We Have To Pay Extra To Protect Our Troops

[NYcarbineer]

I couldn't believe this.....but after years of witnessing a party that really doesn't seem to care about how they look I wasn't really surprised when it was reported that Congressional Democrats want to start a War Tax to pay for Afghanistan.

In effect, they want to charge us extra for defending our troops....charge extra to send the troops Generals on the ground are requesting.

They always say it will only effect the upper 1% but that's merely a starting point. Soon everyone will have to pay extra just to feed, cloth, and protect our kids in uniform.

I wonder if this is some new plan to turn America against The Good War.

The Raw Story | US lawmakers: New tax should pay for Afghan war

New Tax being proposed

And what is your plan? Just not pay for this war? Or the Iraq war which we never paid for?

Funny how all the born again fiscal hawks on the right react when someone actually calls their bluff.

 

[rightwinger]

We need to pretend that wars don't cost money...it worked for Bush

 

[mudwhistle]

We need to pretend that wars don't cost money...it worked for Bush

It is so hilarious when libs start squalling about spending.

The Iraq War cost about $180 billion so far compared to $900 billion for a Stimulus package, and $1.4 trillion for health care.......and Bush was the big spender.

Fucken hilarious I tell you.

 

[Cold Fusion38]

I couldn't believe this.....but after years of witnessing a party that really doesn't seem to care about how they look I wasn't really surprised when it was reported that Congressional Democrats want to start a War Tax to pay for Afghanistan.

In effect, they want to charge us extra for defending our troops....charge extra to send the troops Generals on the ground are requesting.

They always say it will only effect the upper 1% but that's merely a starting point. Soon everyone will have to pay extra just to feed, cloth, and protect our kids in uniform.

I wonder if this is some new plan to turn America against The Good War.

The Raw Story | US lawmakers: New tax should pay for Afghan war

New Tax being proposed

WOW I couldn't beleive it either I mean WTF raise taxes to pay for not ONE but TWO wars. I mean if you want to talk about being al "Mavericky" then Bush was numero uno by being the ONLY President to NOT raise taxes during war time. I guess he figured our children would be SOOOO much better for it that they would JUMP at the chance to pay more taxes for a war started by the previous generation........Are you fucking HIGH!!??

 

[mudwhistle]

I couldn't believe this.....but after years of witnessing a party that really doesn't seem to care about how they look I wasn't really surprised when it was reported that Congressional Democrats want to start a War Tax to pay for Afghanistan.

In effect, they want to charge us extra for defending our troops....charge extra to send the troops Generals on the ground are requesting.

They always say it will only effect the upper 1% but that's merely a starting point. Soon everyone will have to pay extra just to feed, cloth, and protect our kids in uniform.

I wonder if this is some new plan to turn America against The Good War.

The Raw Story | US lawmakers: New tax should pay for Afghan war

New Tax being proposed

WOW I couldn't beleive it either I mean WTF raise taxes to pay for not ONE but TWO wars. I mean if you want to talk about being al "Mavericky" then Bush was numero uno by being the ONLY President to NOT raise taxes during war time. I guess he figured our children would be SOOOO much better for it that they would JUMP at the chance to pay more taxes for a war started by the previous generation........Are you fucking HIGH!!??

Wonder how he was able to lower the deficit during two wars?

It was around $500 bil after 9/11 and in 2006 it had dropped down the $280 bil.....before the Dems took over congress and started spend like crazy raising it back up to $500 bil in 2008. Now it's around $1.4 trillion.

Yup that bastard Bush was such a spender.

 

[Cold Fusion38]

We need to pretend that wars don't cost money...it worked for Bush

It is so hilarious when libs start squalling about spending.

The Iraq War cost about $180 billion so far compared to $900 billion for a Stimulus package, and $1.4 trillion for health care.......and Bush was the big spender.

Fucken hilarious I tell you.

$180 billion? WTF ARE YOU ON!!!!!!!!!!!!????????????? Try $10 BILLION a MONTH and does NOT include the ONGOING costs to care for vets with their ARMS and LEGS blown off? How about those with MASSIVE BRAIN injuries that have damaged them to the point that they may NEVER regain any level of independant living. How about the SOCIAL costs of the rate of CHILD ABUSE, DIVORCE, and SUICIDE at rates NEVER before seen in the military.

You are perhaps the most CLUELESS Bush appologist EVER IN THE HISTORY of Bush appologists. Your #s are SO COMPLETELY FUCKED up that you are IMPOSSIBLE to take as anything but a BAD JOKE!

 

[Cold Fusion38]

I couldn't believe this.....but after years of witnessing a party that really doesn't seem to care about how they look I wasn't really surprised when it was reported that Congressional Democrats want to start a War Tax to pay for Afghanistan.

In effect, they want to charge us extra for defending our troops....charge extra to send the troops Generals on the ground are requesting.

They always say it will only effect the upper 1% but that's merely a starting point. Soon everyone will have to pay extra just to feed, cloth, and protect our kids in uniform.

I wonder if this is some new plan to turn America against The Good War.

The Raw Story | US lawmakers: New tax should pay for Afghan war

New Tax being proposed

WOW I couldn't beleive it either I mean WTF raise taxes to pay for not ONE but TWO wars. I mean if you want to talk about being al "Mavericky" then Bush was numero uno by being the ONLY President to NOT raise taxes during war time. I guess he figured our children would be SOOOO much better for it that they would JUMP at the chance to pay more taxes for a war started by the previous generation........Are you fucking HIGH!!??

Wonder how he was able to lower the deficit during two wars?

It was around $500 bil after 9/11 and in 2006 it had dropped down the $280 bil.....before the Dems took over congress and started spend like crazy raising it back up to $500 bil in 2008. Now it's around $1.4 trillion.

Yup that bastard Bush was such a spender.

Hey did you FORGET to include the $800 BILLION that BUSH signed into law? You need to get either OFF or ON to some very heavy medication!

 

[Cold Fusion38]

Hey mudd you may ALSO but only if you WANT to consider that the military equipment used in Iraq for WELL past it's useful lifespan that our military will have to be REBUILT due to being totally worn out by this EXTREMELY LONG CONFLICT. Gosh I wonder what the DEMS are going to have to pay for THAT?

 

[Cold Fusion38]

Is your drunk ass daddy telling you to write this shit because he can't read/write?

 

[mudwhistle]

We need to pretend that wars don't cost money...it worked for Bush

It is so hilarious when libs start squalling about spending.

The Iraq War cost about $180 billion so far compared to $900 billion for a Stimulus package, and $1.4 trillion for health care.......and Bush was the big spender.

Fucken hilarious I tell you.

$180 billion? WTF ARE YOU ON!!!!!!!!!!!!????????????? Try $10 BILLION a MONTH and does NOT include the ONGOING costs to care for vets with their ARMS and LEGS blown off? How about those with MASSIVE BRAIN injuries that have damaged them to the point that they may NEVER regain any level of independant living. How about the SOCIAL costs of the rate of CHILD ABUSE, DIVORCE, and SUICIDE at rates NEVER before seen in the military.

You are perhaps the most CLUELESS Bush appologist EVER IN THE HISTORY of Bush appologists. Your #s are SO COMPLETELY FUCKED up that you are IMPOSSIBLE to take as anything but a BAD JOKE!

You're talking about shit that happens every day in the military. War or regular long deployments....it makes no difference.

And I'd like to see a link for $10 billion a month. That would mean that since we've been fighting in 2001 it's cost us over a trillion and that's over a period of 9 fucken years yet the Dems were able to spend that much in less then a year.

Still waiting for you to explain how Bush outspent the current adminstration.

 

[Cold Fusion38]

Tell me Mudd didn't I hear Rummy talking about Iraqi oil profits PAYING for the war which at that time was ("ESTIMATED" what a fucking joke of EPIC proportions) that it would cost $100 billion for the war. Do the math douchbag. $10 BILLION a MONTH for EACH MONTH of this fucked up conflict. Adds up to a bit more than $180 Billion doesn't it. Now once again that # does NOT include replacing equipment AND/OR arms and legs. Now you MAY but likely WON'T admit the FACT that Bush CUT money from the VA at EXACTLEY the time they needed it most. So don't you DARE for one FUCKING SECOND blame the DEMS for the men and women of our military coming back BLOWN TO FUCKING BITS with many of them too brain damaged to EVER fully function again........ALL OF THESE HORRORS based on a fucking LIE sold and willingly BOUGHT by the Bush admin from a FUCKING EXILE code named "CURVE BALL". His code name was FUCKING CURVEBALL!!!

 

[mudwhistle]

Hey mudd you may ALSO but only if you WANT to consider that the military equipment used in Iraq for WELL past it's useful lifespan that our military will have to be REBUILT due to being totally worn out by this EXTREMELY LONG CONFLICT. Gosh I wonder what the DEMS are going to have to pay for THAT?

The military is rebuilt. They have more new equipment then they ever had while I was in. And most of it was spent during the last 3 years. Alot of it is still waiting stateside to be shipped over to the Middle East.

Now the spiget has been shut off. Now it's trillions for health care and Global Warming legislation...payoffs to the U.N. and bribes to Democrats not willing to go along with the crowd on bills. $20 billion to a Brazilian oil company, Billions to ACORN, $140 billion to foreign banks via AIG. A huge slush fund in the form of a Stimulus bill to the tune of $900 billion and another on the way.

Shut the fuck up about Bush being a big spender. All you're doing is passing gas.

 

[judyd]

Remember how conservatives turned on Bush I when, after the Persian Gulf War, he said he would have to raise taxes? This was money that hadn't been planned for, but supposedly the cons supported the war--but didn't want to pay the costs.

It seemed like his son didn't want to make the same mistake, so he just pretended the money wasn't a problem. Where did you people think it was going to come from? The continual whining about taxes from people who support these ill-conceived wars doesn't make sense. As someone already pointed out, the money for the injured will be ongoing for the next fifty years at least--and the number of victims is increasing daily. And that doesn't even include the people who will develop PTSD and other war-related problems.

I don't mind paying more in taxes, but I also think much more should be done to control defense spending--or more specifically the incredible waste and cost overruns which have been so acceptable. The people have to demand better accounting of the military, as well as stop the revolving door of the pentagon and the defense contractors.

 

[Cold Fusion38]

It is so hilarious when libs start squalling about spending.

The Iraq War cost about $180 billion so far compared to $900 billion for a Stimulus package, and $1.4 trillion for health care.......and Bush was the big spender.

Fucken hilarious I tell you.

$180 billion? WTF ARE YOU ON!!!!!!!!!!!!????????????? Try $10 BILLION a MONTH and does NOT include the ONGOING costs to care for vets with their ARMS and LEGS blown off? How about those with MASSIVE BRAIN injuries that have damaged them to the point that they may NEVER regain any level of independant living. How about the SOCIAL costs of the rate of CHILD ABUSE, DIVORCE, and SUICIDE at rates NEVER before seen in the military.

You are perhaps the most CLUELESS Bush appologist EVER IN THE HISTORY of Bush appologists. Your #s are SO COMPLETELY FUCKED up that you are IMPOSSIBLE to take as anything but a BAD JOKE!

You're talking about shit that happens every day in the military. War or regular long deployments....it makes no difference.

And I'd like to see a link for $10 billion a month. That would mean that since we've been fighting in 2001 it's cost us over a trillion and that's over a period of 9 fucken years yet the Dems were able to spend that much in less then a year.

Still waiting for you to explain how Bush outspent the current adminstration.

Yeah that's right DOUCHBAG over a $TRILLION for the war with ongoing costs to care for the vets and rebuild our military. Where the FUCK did you find $180 billion? UN-FUCKING-BELEIVABLE!

 

[mudwhistle]

WOW I couldn't beleive it either I mean WTF raise taxes to pay for not ONE but TWO wars. I mean if you want to talk about being al "Mavericky" then Bush was numero uno by being the ONLY President to NOT raise taxes during war time. I guess he figured our children would be SOOOO much better for it that they would JUMP at the chance to pay more taxes for a war started by the previous generation........Are you fucking HIGH!!??

Wonder how he was able to lower the deficit during two wars?

It was around $500 bil after 9/11 and in 2006 it had dropped down the $280 bil.....before the Dems took over congress and started spend like crazy raising it back up to $500 bil in 2008. Now it's around $1.4 trillion.

Yup that bastard Bush was such a spender.

Hey did you FORGET to include the $800 BILLION that BUSH signed into law? You need to get either OFF or ON to some very heavy medication!

If you're talking about TARP....it was $700 not $800 and only $400 of it was spent during the Bush Administration. The rest was spent this year by Obama.

 

[judyd]

Hey mudd you may ALSO but only if you WANT to consider that the military equipment used in Iraq for WELL past it's useful lifespan that our military will have to be REBUILT due to being totally worn out by this EXTREMELY LONG CONFLICT. Gosh I wonder what the DEMS are going to have to pay for THAT?

The military is rebuilt. They have more new equipment then they ever had while I was in. And most of it was spent during the last 3 years. Alot of it is still waiting stateside to be shipped over to the Middle East.

Now the spiget has been shut off. Now it's trillions for health care and Global Warming legislation...payoffs to the U.N. and bribes to Democrats not willing to go along with the crowd on bills. $20 billion to a Brazilian oil company, Billions to ACORN, $140 billion to foreign banks via AIG. A huge slush fund in the form of a Stimulus bill to the tune of $900 billion and another on the way.

Shut the fuck up about Bush being a big spender. All you're doing is passing gas.

The money was borrowed but it was never paid back!!! Bush didn't even include these wars in the annual budgets. Where on earth did you get the idea that any of it was paid for??? What "spiget(sp)" are you referring to? Did you really believe that the bush people had been paying for it? No, they didn't.

 

[mudwhistle]

Hey mudd you may ALSO but only if you WANT to consider that the military equipment used in Iraq for WELL past it's useful lifespan that our military will have to be REBUILT due to being totally worn out by this EXTREMELY LONG CONFLICT. Gosh I wonder what the DEMS are going to have to pay for THAT?

The military is rebuilt. They have more new equipment then they ever had while I was in. And most of it was spent during the last 3 years. Alot of it is still waiting stateside to be shipped over to the Middle East.

Now the spiget has been shut off. Now it's trillions for health care and Global Warming legislation...payoffs to the U.N. and bribes to Democrats not willing to go along with the crowd on bills. $20 billion to a Brazilian oil company, Billions to ACORN, $140 billion to foreign banks via AIG. A huge slush fund in the form of a Stimulus bill to the tune of $900 billion and another on the way.

Shut the fuck up about Bush being a big spender. All you're doing is passing gas.

The money was borrowed but it was never paid back!!! Bush didn't even include these wars in the annual budgets. Where on earth did you get the idea that any of it was paid for??? What "spiget(sp)" are you referring to? Did you really believe that the bush people had been paying for it? No, they didn't.

Whatever numbnuts. We have the equipment........paid for or not. I don't think the Chinese can repossess our equipment now.....they however are welcome to try.

 

[Cold Fusion38]

Iraq war could cost taxpayers $2.7 trillion
In addition to the cost of war, taxpayers pay for rising veteran health care costs, and returning soldiers faced with foreclosure and unemployment.
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NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- As the Iraq war continues with no clear end in sight, the cost to taxpayers may balloon to $2.7 trillion by the time the conflict comes to an end, according to Congressional testimony.

In a hearing held by the Joint Economic Committee Thursday, members of Congress heard testimony about the current costs of the war and the future economic fallout from returning soldiers.

At the beginning of the conflict in 2003, the Bush administration gave Congress a cost estimate of $60 billion to $100 billion for the entirety of the war. But the battle has been dragging on much longer than most in the government expected, and costs have ballooned to nearly ten times the original estimate.

William Beach, director of the Center for Data Analysis, told members of Congress that the Iraq war has already cost taxpayers $646 billion. That's only accounting for five years, and, with the conflict expected to drag on for another five years, the figure is expected to more than quadruple. Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., told members of Congress that the war costs taxpayers about $430 million per day, and called out the Bush Administration.

"It is long past time for the administration to come clean and account for the real costs of the war in Iraq," said Schumer. "If they want to disagree with our estimates or with other experts ... fine - they should come and explain why."

The Bush Administration, which was invited to give testimony, declined to participate.

The Pentagon has previously said that the war costs approximately $9.5 billion a month, but some economists say the figure is closer to $25 billion a month when long-term health care for veterans and interest are factored in.

Health care: In testimony before the committee, Dr. Christine Eibner, an Associate Economist with research firm RAND, said advances in armor technology have kept alive many soldiers who would have been killed in prior wars. But that has added to post-war health care costs for veterans, especially for "unseen" wounds like post traumatic stress disorder, major depression and traumatic brain injury.

Two-year post-deployment health care costs for the 1.6 million service members currently in Iraq and Afghanistan could range from $4 billion to $6.2 billion, according to Eibner. For one year of treatment, the costs are substantially lower, ranging from $591 million to $910 million. Eibner admitted that the study did not take into account long term care, and her estimates probably underestimate the total costs.

However, Eibner noted that an increasing number of soldiers are not seeking the care that they need, which affects their ability to get and maintain jobs. And, that, she said, must change.

"Many service members are currently reluctant to seek mental health treatment due to fear of negative career repercussions," said Eibner. "Policies must be changed so that there are no perceived or real adverse career consequences for individuals who seek treatment."

Unemployment: Furthermore, many veterans who recently completed their service are coming back to a difficult job and housing market.

Among veterans who completed their service within the last 1 to 3 years, 18% were unemployed, and 25% earned less than $21,840 a year, according to a recent report commissioned by the Department of Veterans Affairs.

"Trying to convince [job interviewers] that my service will translate into skills ... at a bottling factory or a distributing company is almost like you're speaking French to someone who doesn't speak French," said Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America policy associate Tom Tarantino.

Montana Gov. Brian Schweitzer agreed, saying the government does a poor job at readying veterans for post-Army life.

"We haven't figured out how to convert a warrior to a citizen yet," Schweitzer told the committee.

Foreclosure: Many soldiers who come home from active duty are also finding difficulty keeping their homes.

"Military families are already shouldering heavy burdens to care for and support families while their loved ones are serving abroad or recovering at home," said Schumer. "Knowing that so many more are losing their homes to foreclosure is heartbreaking -- and its just plain wrong."

The senator said that Army personnel returning from duty are at a 37% higher risk of foreclosure, because the areas populated by military families have substantially larger foreclosure rates.

"Veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan deserve better," testified Tarantino.

Tarantino recommended Congress quickly sign into law an update to the World War II GI Bill, which would help ease the economic hardships returning solders are feeling.

"More than any other single piece of legislation, the GI Bill will make a difference in the economic futures of the troops returning every day from Iraq and Afghanistan," he said.

First Published: June 12, 2008: 12:07 PM EDT

What the Iraq war will cost the U.S

 

[judyd]

The military is rebuilt. They have more new equipment then they ever had while I was in. And most of it was spent during the last 3 years. Alot of it is still waiting stateside to be shipped over to the Middle East.

Now the spiget has been shut off. Now it's trillions for health care and Global Warming legislation...payoffs to the U.N. and bribes to Democrats not willing to go along with the crowd on bills. $20 billion to a Brazilian oil company, Billions to ACORN, $140 billion to foreign banks via AIG. A huge slush fund in the form of a Stimulus bill to the tune of $900 billion and another on the way.

Shut the fuck up about Bush being a big spender. All you're doing is passing gas.

The money was borrowed but it was never paid back!!! Bush didn't even include these wars in the annual budgets. Where on earth did you get the idea that any of it was paid for??? What "spiget(sp)" are you referring to? Did you really believe that the bush people had been paying for it? No, they didn't.

Whatever numbnuts. We have the equipment........paid for or not. I don't think the Chinese can repossess our equipment now.....they however are welcome to try.

I can't believe you seriously feel this way. It just doesn't make sense--and hasn't made sense during these wars--to keep borrowing billions without any thought to paying it back--and not even seeing the amount as important enough to include in the budget. The whole iraq operation was a complete abuse of power which now has to be paid for, and if that means increased taxes, so be it. On the other hand, I do think the corrupt defense contractors who overspent must be held accountable and forced to repay the country the money they stole.

 

[Cold Fusion38]

Wonder how he was able to lower the deficit during two wars?

It was around $500 bil after 9/11 and in 2006 it had dropped down the $280 bil.....before the Dems took over congress and started spend like crazy raising it back up to $500 bil in 2008. Now it's around $1.4 trillion.

Yup that bastard Bush was such a spender.

Hey did you FORGET to include the $800 BILLION that BUSH signed into law? You need to get either OFF or ON to some very heavy medication!

If you're talking about TARP....it was $700 not $800 and only $400 of it was spent during the Bush Administration. The rest was spent this year by Obama.

Gawd you get dumber and dumber. You DO know that the budget year 2008 which BUSH signed into law ENDS in 2009 RIGHT!!!???

BUSH spent that money because HE signed it into law.

I have NEVER seen such a PSYCHOTIC est. for the cost of the war $180 billion. You are truely INSANE and COMPLETELY out of touch with reality. GET HELP AND GET IT SOON!