we might bring pitchforks and torches the next time.
It's probably illegal to carry torches to a protest. Instead of teabags, maybe we should all start bringing pitchforks to protests, after all, they are just a simple farm tool.
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Democrat's that run and hide
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we might bring pitchforks and torches the next time.
It's probably illegal to carry torches to a protest. Instead of teabags, maybe we should all start bringing pitchforks to protests, after all, they are just a simple farm tool.
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Let's pretend the shoe was on the other foot, so to speak. In that people from the left were disrupting GOP reps'/senators' meetings to the point they couldn't speak, no one was being heard, etc.
How would you people from the right respond to that?
I think both sides need to start acting like they've got some damned sense and behave like adults. Ask questions and discuss the issue like civilized human beings for God's sake. You can hold your reps feet to the fire without acting like this.
I very much support the cons' right to protest. Go for it. But inside the meetings there needs to be some sense of order if everyone is to get a chance to speak their piece.
There is alot of middle ground open on the healthcare issue. By refusing to discuss the issue at all, the republicans are once again stonewalling a critical national issue that has been successfully implemented around the globe.
Emma
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Let's pretend the shoe was on the other foot, so to speak. In that people from the left were disrupting GOP reps'/senators' meetings to the point they couldn't speak, no one was being heard, etc.
How would you people from the right respond to that?
I think both sides need to start acting like they've got some damned sense and behave like adults. Ask questions and discuss the issue like civilized human beings for God's sake. You can hold your reps feet to the fire without acting like this.
I very much support the cons' right to protest. Go for it. But inside the meetings there needs to be some sense of order if everyone is to get a chance to speak their piece.
There is alot of middle ground open on the healthcare issue. By refusing to discuss the issue at all, the republicans are once again stonewalling a critical national issue that has been successfully implemented around the globe.
Which makes me wonder why they want to stifle the debate, and why they adamantly refuse to start from a point of reality (as opposed to just making shit up).
ozzmdj
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Emma
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So is that what you want? To stifle any and all discussion of this issue? Is that the goal?
Wry Catcher
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Just so I understand the OP's position here...
Are you glad these meetings are being disrupted to the point no one gets to speak out? That all you hear is chanting and fighting among the two sides?
Do you not want these meetings to take place at all?
Ya cause well, no one on the opposite side of the health care issue has a valid point or should actually expect to be heard.
And here we see the Ying, Ret.GySgt (the willfully ignorant) and the Yang, Emma (the curious and informed).
Those who suppress the opinion of others, and deny open discourse to everyone are no friend of liberty and freedom.
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ozzmdj
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By Lee Cary
Spontaneous, uncoordinated, passionate -- citizen resistance to Obama socialism grows by the day.
America is no stranger to resistance. The nation was born from citizen resistance that had mixed support among the colonists. About one in five was loyal to the King. Some of the bitterest fighting in the American Revolution was between Loyalists and Patriots. And all of it was between Americans in the Civil War. We know how to resist.
There was a spontaneous resistance after December 7, 1941. It shook America out of its flirtation with isolationism. In that case, it was largely Republican politicians who were slow to see the danger from international tyrants. Edwin Bodley of East Chicago, Indiana was a junior in engineering at Purdue University when he joined the students who, upon hearing the news of Pearl Harbor, spilled out of their dormitories in a spontaneous demonstration of resistance. The next day Edwin enlisted in the Air Force. After flying 56 missions over the "Hump," he volunteered to go back to the war and rescue downed flyers in the Pacific. Lieutenant Bodley died on August 13, 1945, hours before the war ended, the navigator on the last US crew aircraft lost to hostile action in World War II. The resistance never died in him. His name was Legion for there were many like him in those days.
So we Americans understand resistance. We don't hunger to engage in it. We can be slow to respond to the non-violent circumstances that provoke it. But once it begins, it takes its own course among us. Like water pulled by gravity seeking its own level. It's happening now.
The internet has shortened the gestation period for resistance. Nearly every day a new video surfaces on the web showing an angry crowd of ordinary citizens talking back to their member of Congress, or to some Cabinet person, as the pol morphs from confident and officious to stunned and stupefied. (Obama's czars, on the other hand, like their Russian predecessors, never face public scrutiny. They butterfly float in an ether world of inbreed wonkishness in search of purpose, doing who knows what. Hopefully, little.)
The April 15th Tea Parties, belittled by the legacy media, were collectively the coming-out event of a new American resistance. The cause then was out-of-control government spending. Today, it's shifted to a wider focus on Obama's brand of socialism for America. When the cover of the February 16, 2009 issue of Newsweek proclaimed "We Are All Socialists Now," it was a barely visible comet streaking across a news cycle. Not now. "Like hell we are!" is the rising antiphonal response today as a litany of proposed socialist legislation lines up in Congress.
Barack, Nancy, Harry, Rahm, Barney, Waxman et al have been cattle-driving a legislative cramdown since the TARP bill passed in George W. Bush's final days. They mistook victory against a tepid Republican presidential candidate for a mandate to reconstitute the United States of America. Slow to awaken, her citizens now grow angrier. It's not the loss of land and lives they fear, but of freedoms. Accustomed to trusting any new president, they're quickly losing confidence in this one. Seduced by his artful use of the spoken word, they're growing attuned to the nuances within his words. When he begins a sentence with "Let me be clear about this," our listening becomes acute, for it's not clarity that often follows, but evasiveness through circuitous parsing.
As members of Congress go home for recess it won't be to playground games. Some will hide from their constituents, not wanting to face them. Why bother? They plan to vote as Rahm and their party leaders tell them anyway, for their only ideology is to remain in power. Others will think, "The people have short memories; soon they'll be back watching reruns of Law & Order." They'll underestimate the resistance. Meanwhile, the legacy media will attribute it to right-wingers and belligerent extremists incited by their demonized arch enemies, conservative talk show hosts. They don't get it either.
Others, the bolder pols, will face their constituents and be so foolish as to presume to tell them what they, the voters, should think. Tell them what's good for them, whether they know it or not. This will be a mistake. Unless they represent the uniformly like-minded, these members of Congress will face spirited resistance. More of it than most will have encountered in their political careers. When it comes, their faces will assume fault lines of shock-and-awe in the face of citizen audacity. Some will paper over it with thin smiles and louder talk. That won't work.
Vocal opposition from their constituents differs from what they're accustomed to hearing from colleagues on the floor of the House or Senate. There it's, "I respectfully take exception to the position expressed by the honorable member from the state of bla bla bla." The ruling class speaks the language of the ruling class when citizens might be watching on C-SPAN. But in the public forum, people speak plainly, in a language with which some members of Congress are not used to being addressed. The resistance doesn't speak Beltway.
Regardless of the decibel-level of the opposition to Obamacare and Cap & Tax that Congress hears back home, many will return to their Safe Zone inside the Capital and vote against the wishes of their constituents. They are, after all, wiser and more knowledgeable in these matters than the voters. They may chose not to give us the government we want, but the government they think we should want. And would want, if we knew what was good for us. Such is the timeless arrogance of power.
If that happens, stand-by. For the American resistance will continue to mount, and soon begin to register on the Richter scale.
American Thinker- Print Article
Spontaneous, uncoordinated, passionate -- citizen resistance to Obama socialism grows by the day.
America is no stranger to resistance. The nation was born from citizen resistance that had mixed support among the colonists. About one in five was loyal to the King. Some of the bitterest fighting in the American Revolution was between Loyalists and Patriots. And all of it was between Americans in the Civil War. We know how to resist.
There was a spontaneous resistance after December 7, 1941. It shook America out of its flirtation with isolationism. In that case, it was largely Republican politicians who were slow to see the danger from international tyrants. Edwin Bodley of East Chicago, Indiana was a junior in engineering at Purdue University when he joined the students who, upon hearing the news of Pearl Harbor, spilled out of their dormitories in a spontaneous demonstration of resistance. The next day Edwin enlisted in the Air Force. After flying 56 missions over the "Hump," he volunteered to go back to the war and rescue downed flyers in the Pacific. Lieutenant Bodley died on August 13, 1945, hours before the war ended, the navigator on the last US crew aircraft lost to hostile action in World War II. The resistance never died in him. His name was Legion for there were many like him in those days.
So we Americans understand resistance. We don't hunger to engage in it. We can be slow to respond to the non-violent circumstances that provoke it. But once it begins, it takes its own course among us. Like water pulled by gravity seeking its own level. It's happening now.
The internet has shortened the gestation period for resistance. Nearly every day a new video surfaces on the web showing an angry crowd of ordinary citizens talking back to their member of Congress, or to some Cabinet person, as the pol morphs from confident and officious to stunned and stupefied. (Obama's czars, on the other hand, like their Russian predecessors, never face public scrutiny. They butterfly float in an ether world of inbreed wonkishness in search of purpose, doing who knows what. Hopefully, little.)
The April 15th Tea Parties, belittled by the legacy media, were collectively the coming-out event of a new American resistance. The cause then was out-of-control government spending. Today, it's shifted to a wider focus on Obama's brand of socialism for America. When the cover of the February 16, 2009 issue of Newsweek proclaimed "We Are All Socialists Now," it was a barely visible comet streaking across a news cycle. Not now. "Like hell we are!" is the rising antiphonal response today as a litany of proposed socialist legislation lines up in Congress.
Barack, Nancy, Harry, Rahm, Barney, Waxman et al have been cattle-driving a legislative cramdown since the TARP bill passed in George W. Bush's final days. They mistook victory against a tepid Republican presidential candidate for a mandate to reconstitute the United States of America. Slow to awaken, her citizens now grow angrier. It's not the loss of land and lives they fear, but of freedoms. Accustomed to trusting any new president, they're quickly losing confidence in this one. Seduced by his artful use of the spoken word, they're growing attuned to the nuances within his words. When he begins a sentence with "Let me be clear about this," our listening becomes acute, for it's not clarity that often follows, but evasiveness through circuitous parsing.
As members of Congress go home for recess it won't be to playground games. Some will hide from their constituents, not wanting to face them. Why bother? They plan to vote as Rahm and their party leaders tell them anyway, for their only ideology is to remain in power. Others will think, "The people have short memories; soon they'll be back watching reruns of Law & Order." They'll underestimate the resistance. Meanwhile, the legacy media will attribute it to right-wingers and belligerent extremists incited by their demonized arch enemies, conservative talk show hosts. They don't get it either.
Others, the bolder pols, will face their constituents and be so foolish as to presume to tell them what they, the voters, should think. Tell them what's good for them, whether they know it or not. This will be a mistake. Unless they represent the uniformly like-minded, these members of Congress will face spirited resistance. More of it than most will have encountered in their political careers. When it comes, their faces will assume fault lines of shock-and-awe in the face of citizen audacity. Some will paper over it with thin smiles and louder talk. That won't work.
Vocal opposition from their constituents differs from what they're accustomed to hearing from colleagues on the floor of the House or Senate. There it's, "I respectfully take exception to the position expressed by the honorable member from the state of bla bla bla." The ruling class speaks the language of the ruling class when citizens might be watching on C-SPAN. But in the public forum, people speak plainly, in a language with which some members of Congress are not used to being addressed. The resistance doesn't speak Beltway.
Regardless of the decibel-level of the opposition to Obamacare and Cap & Tax that Congress hears back home, many will return to their Safe Zone inside the Capital and vote against the wishes of their constituents. They are, after all, wiser and more knowledgeable in these matters than the voters. They may chose not to give us the government we want, but the government they think we should want. And would want, if we knew what was good for us. Such is the timeless arrogance of power.
If that happens, stand-by. For the American resistance will continue to mount, and soon begin to register on the Richter scale.
American Thinker- Print Article
Let's pretend the shoe was on the other foot, so to speak. In that people from the left were disrupting GOP reps'/senators' meetings to the point they couldn't speak, no one was being heard, etc.
How would you people from the right respond to that?
I think both sides need to start acting like they've got some damned sense and behave like adults. Ask questions and discuss the issue like civilized human beings for God's sake. You can hold your reps feet to the fire without acting like this.
I very much support the cons' right to protest. Go for it. But inside the meetings there needs to be some sense of order if everyone is to get a chance to speak their piece.
There is alot of middle ground open on the healthcare issue. By refusing to discuss the issue at all, the republicans are once again stonewalling a critical national issue that has been successfully implemented around the globe.
Which makes me wonder why they want to stifle the debate, and why they adamantly refuse to start from a point of reality (as opposed to just making shit up).
The thing you should be asking yourself is, since when is it the governments responsibility to even get involved in health care? Where in the constitution does it say that the federal government should be involved?
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Those who suppress the opinion of others, and deny open discourse to everyone are no friend of liberty and freedom.
Old Rocks
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They may cancel all town halls. What will happen is that the constituents with questions/opinions will show up at their offices. If that fails to bring answers, they'll show up at their homes. If that fails...
we might bring pitchforks and torches the next time.
It's probably illegal to carry torches to a protest. Instead of teabags, maybe we should all start bringing pitchforks to protests, after all, they are just a simple farm tool.
Consider what you are saying. Do you really want it to come to that? Because if you do, it is your side that will lose, bigtime.
Old Rocks
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The game is over!! Usa rules!! A muslim non citizen is gonna be kicked to the curb!!!
Wipe off the drool, call the nurse, and take the pretty pills the nurse has for your. Just another day in the nuthouse.
Old Rocks
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Americans want detailed answers over this bill. So far--we have gotten a bunch of rhetoric--we want the nitty gritty details--that's all.
Like how much is this going to cost & exactly who is going to pay for it--& how are the people who are going to pay for it--pay for it.
Nancy Pelosi--actually gave congress a 2" x 3" wallet card--for talking points to sell this bill to their constituents. Well Nancy you can't cram a 1017 page bill on a 2" x 3" wallet card.
It's like our elected officials are nothing more than a bunch of used car salesmen.
Well, then look it up on the net.
http://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf
OK, I understand. Given your intellectual capabilities, I looked it up for you.
ozzmdj
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Emma
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Should? It doesn't have to.There is alot of middle ground open on the healthcare issue. By refusing to discuss the issue at all, the republicans are once again stonewalling a critical national issue that has been successfully implemented around the globe.
Which makes me wonder why they want to stifle the debate, and why they adamantly refuse to start from a point of reality (as opposed to just making shit up).
The thing you should be asking yourself is, since when is it the governments responsibility to even get involved in health care? Where in the constitution does it say that the federal government should be involved?
HHS is a cabinet department.
Karateka
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An elected official who refuses to attend a meeting where his constituents will be, regardless of the reason, is effectively refusing to listen to his constituents. An elected official who refuses to listen to his constituents is failing to uphold the oath he took when taking the office to which he was elected and is no longer fit for duty and should be replaced. NO EXCUSES.
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They may cancel all town halls. What will happen is that the constituents with questions/opinions will show up at their offices. If that fails to bring answers, they'll show up at their homes. If that fails...
And in the offices and at their homes, will the disruptive and publicity seeking mob listen to the answers? Video - Youtube: Kathy Castor Town Hall Erupts in Tampa Florida, August 6th,*... - Glenn Beck, Congress
And from today's NY Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/07/opinion/07krugman.html?_r=1
"[...] Key organizers include two Astroturf (fake grass-roots) organizations: FreedomWorks, run by the former House majority leader Dick Armey, and a new organization called Conservatives for Patients Rights.
The latter group, by the way, is run by Rick Scott, the former head of Columbia/HCA, a for-profit hospital chain. Mr. Scott was forced out of that job amid a fraud investigation; the company eventually pleaded guilty to charges of overbilling state and federal health plans, paying $1.7 billion yes, thats billion in fines. You cant make this stuff up.[...]"
As Castor said:
"Anyone's welcome to attend a community event, and I welcome a healthy debate," she said.
Prior to the event Thursday, she had told reporters she considered some of the protests erupting at town hall forums on the topic to be genuine and some to be the result of political organizing inspired by health insurance and pharmaceutical industries.
Castor said broadcast commentators Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck had both mentioned the Tampa event on their shows, urging listeners or viewers to attend.
Castor also said she's sure the reform bill will pass: "We're going to fight through the naysayers [and pass the bill], and it will not add to the deficit."
These fucking people don't give a shit about what the people want.
Castor heartened by reaction to town hall tumult
Barb
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They may cancel all town halls. What will happen is that the constituents with questions/opinions will show up at their offices. If that fails to bring answers, they'll show up at their homes. If that fails...
And in the offices and at their homes, will the disruptive and publicity seeking mob listen to the answers? Video - Youtube: Kathy Castor Town Hall Erupts in Tampa Florida, August 6th,*... - Glenn Beck, Congress
And from today's NY Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/07/opinion/07krugman.html?_r=1
"[...] Key organizers include two Astroturf (fake grass-roots) organizations: FreedomWorks, run by the former House majority leader Dick Armey, and a new organization called Conservatives for Patients Rights.
The latter group, by the way, is run by Rick Scott, the former head of Columbia/HCA, a for-profit hospital chain. Mr. Scott was forced out of that job amid a fraud investigation; the company eventually pleaded guilty to charges of overbilling state and federal health plans, paying $1.7 billion yes, thats billion in fines. You cant make this stuff up.[...]"
As Castor said:
"Anyone's welcome to attend a community event, and I welcome a healthy debate," she said.
Prior to the event Thursday, she had told reporters she considered some of the protests erupting at town hall forums on the topic to be genuine and some to be the result of political organizing inspired by health insurance and pharmaceutical industries.
Castor said broadcast commentators Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck had both mentioned the Tampa event on their shows, urging listeners or viewers to attend.
Castor also said she's sure the reform bill will pass: "We're going to fight through the naysayers [and pass the bill], and it will not add to the deficit."
These fucking people don't give a shit about what the people want.
Castor heartened by reaction to town hall tumult
They care about what most of the people want, and what all of the people need. Those people showing up to disrupt information from being delivered and refusing to let anyone hear or speak beyond their incessant screaming are the ones who do not care what people want. They are disrupting the political process, they are not adding to it anything of worth.
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And in the offices and at their homes, will the disruptive and publicity seeking mob listen to the answers? Video - Youtube: Kathy Castor Town Hall Erupts in Tampa Florida, August 6th,*... - Glenn Beck, Congress
And from today's NY Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/07/opinion/07krugman.html?_r=1
"[...] Key organizers include two Astroturf (fake grass-roots) organizations: FreedomWorks, run by the former House majority leader Dick Armey, and a new organization called Conservatives for Patients Rights.
The latter group, by the way, is run by Rick Scott, the former head of Columbia/HCA, a for-profit hospital chain. Mr. Scott was forced out of that job amid a fraud investigation; the company eventually pleaded guilty to charges of overbilling state and federal health plans, paying $1.7 billion yes, thats billion in fines. You cant make this stuff up.[...]"
As Castor said:
"Anyone's welcome to attend a community event, and I welcome a healthy debate," she said.
Prior to the event Thursday, she had told reporters she considered some of the protests erupting at town hall forums on the topic to be genuine and some to be the result of political organizing inspired by health insurance and pharmaceutical industries.
Castor said broadcast commentators Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck had both mentioned the Tampa event on their shows, urging listeners or viewers to attend.
Castor also said she's sure the reform bill will pass: "We're going to fight through the naysayers [and pass the bill], and it will not add to the deficit."
These fucking people don't give a shit about what the people want.
Castor heartened by reaction to town hall tumult
They care about what most of the people want, and what all of the people need. Those people showing up to disrupt information from being delivered and refusing to let anyone hear or speak beyond their incessant screaming are the ones who do not care what people want. They are disrupting the political process, they are not adding to it anything of worth.
Then there's this:
11Alive.com | Atlanta, GA | Video
where one can see a congressman imply that a doctor politely asking a question, is not a constituent and 'blindsided' him. Not true, as the video newsreport makes clear.
Somehow it's being cast in stone that asking a question is mob behavior which is not the case...
The game is over!! Usa rules!! A muslim non citizen is gonna be kicked to the curb!!!
Wipe off the drool, call the nurse, and take the pretty pills the nurse has for your. Just another day in the nuthouse.
Don't bother, Rocks. This is one of the most infamous former MSNBC crazies (and that's saying something), posting there as ladyjazzy. Nothing you say will make any difference, just ignore her and she'll go away.
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