"""Democrats & Taxes"""

1stRambo

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Yo, what do "Socialist Democrat Mayors" do when they don`t have the money to take care of their Union Voters, which "Puppet Democrat Mayors make Outlandish Promises" to get the Union Votes, they raise the Taxpayers Bills!!! For all of you "Whiny Mini Puppets" who have a problem with the cost of living? You can always thank your elected """Socialist Democrat Party Representative!"""

In Chicago, Rahm Emanuel finds a typically Democratic solution to his pension fund problems
POSTED AT 2:01 PM ON AUGUST 7, 2016 BY JAZZ SHAW

With all the trouble that Rahm Emanuel has been having in Chicago lately, specifically with unrest surrounding his police department and other scandals, it’s easy to forget that he’s dealing with another serious problem: his city is nearly bankrupt. As with so many other large, Democrat run municipalities, the chief culprit here is the massively underfunded pension system for municipal workers. Their unions negotiated some real sweetheart deals for them over the years, but the costs were completely unsustainable. When the city began to go broke, no real compromise was ever offered by the unions so Rahm is left to find some way to shore up the funds.

No problem, kids! Hizzoner will simply jack up the utility rates and let the taxpayers foot the bill even more. (Chicago Tribune)

Mayor Rahm Emanuel will propose a new utility tax on Chicagoans’ water and sewer bills in an effort to shore up the largest of the city’s ailing pension funds, according to multiple sources who were briefed on the plan Wednesday.

Under Emanuel’s plan, the tax would be phased in over the next four years, with the average homeowners’ bill increasing $50 each year until it reaches $200 in the fourth year, said Ald. Ameya Pawar, 47th, who was briefed on the plan Wednesday morning. The average Chicago homeowner’s water and sewer bill is $114.30, billed every other month, city officials have said.

You may be wondering why he didn’t simply increase property taxes to cover the pension funds. The answer is that he’s already raised them considerably and his elected officials in the city are getting nervous about being run out of town on a rail if they keep increasing the burden in that fashion. But for middle and lower income residents of an already poverty ridden city, jacking up their water bill by 200 dollars may be a bit much to swallow as well.

What makes this even more of a stereotypical Democrat move is the distinctly non-progressive nature of this plan. At least when you increase the property taxes the wealthy tend to pay a bit more. (I believe Democrats refer to that as “their fair share.”) But the utility bills tend to hit everyone pretty much equally, so the city’s poorest residents will feel the pinch the most. In the end, that’s how these things always seem to work. But more than anything else, this should have been a wake-up call similar to what we thought might happen in Detroit when they were dealing with the same issues. The era of massive pension plans for unionized government workers has led to a case of killing the goose that lays the golden eggs. But rather than acknowledging this reality, the unions just continue to push back, demanding every penny they can soak out of the system until it collapses under its own weight.

In Chicago, Rahm Emanuel finds a typically Democratic solution to his pension fund problems - Hot Air

"GTP"
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Water bills are often shouldered by the landlord because it is impractical to put that many meters and such in high density housing, especially multi-floor housing. Electric bills would more likely be a burden on every household.
 
Water bills are often shouldered by the landlord because it is impractical to put that many meters and such in high density housing, especially multi-floor housing. Electric bills would more likely be a burden on every household.

Even under rent control, Landlords will have a hard case to raise rents to cover the cost. and for non-rent controlled places, the cost will be past right on.

In the end, the people will pay for it.
 
Water bills are often shouldered by the landlord because it is impractical to put that many meters and such in high density housing, especially multi-floor housing. Electric bills would more likely be a burden on every household.

Even under rent control, Landlords will have a hard case to raise rents to cover the cost. and for non-rent controlled places, the cost will be past right on.

In the end, the people will pay for it.

Maybe but the logistics are difficult in those buildings. If you metered in the basement, you would have a crap ton more pipes in your walls to be leaking and taking up space and the higher the apartment, the worse the pressure would be. If you metered at the unit, that is a lot of walking to read the meters. Water is often piped to the top of a building and then falls to the units because it picks up extra pressure.
 
Water bills are often shouldered by the landlord because it is impractical to put that many meters and such in high density housing, especially multi-floor housing. Electric bills would more likely be a burden on every household.

Even under rent control, Landlords will have a hard case to raise rents to cover the cost. and for non-rent controlled places, the cost will be past right on.

In the end, the people will pay for it.

Maybe but the logistics are difficult in those buildings. If you metered in the basement, you would have a crap ton more pipes in your walls to be leaking and taking up space and the higher the apartment, the worse the pressure would be. If you metered at the unit, that is a lot of walking to read the meters. Water is often piped to the top of a building and then falls to the units because it picks up extra pressure.

it doesn't matter where you meter it. If water costs are covered under the rent, the landlords will have a hard case for an increase. "my bill was XXXX last year, and it is now XXXX this year".

And with remote technology, one could theoretically embed at meter at the branch point for an apartment, and send the results via telemetry to a central monitor. so only one hole in the wall or floor is needed.
 
Water bills are often shouldered by the landlord because it is impractical to put that many meters and such in high density housing, especially multi-floor housing. Electric bills would more likely be a burden on every household.

Even under rent control, Landlords will have a hard case to raise rents to cover the cost. and for non-rent controlled places, the cost will be past right on.

In the end, the people will pay for it.

Maybe but the logistics are difficult in those buildings. If you metered in the basement, you would have a crap ton more pipes in your walls to be leaking and taking up space and the higher the apartment, the worse the pressure would be. If you metered at the unit, that is a lot of walking to read the meters. Water is often piped to the top of a building and then falls to the units because it picks up extra pressure.

it doesn't matter where you meter it. If water costs are covered under the rent, the landlords will have a hard case for an increase. "my bill was XXXX last year, and it is now XXXX this year".

And with remote technology, one could theoretically embed at meter at the branch point for an apartment, and send the results via telemetry to a central monitor. so only one hole in the wall or floor is needed.

Theoretically but I am not sure how well smart meters would work inside a high rise. I have one but I live in a low rise house. Landlords, however, will increase rents. Poor people won't be able to afford rents. Poor people will move into decadent houses at rates that do not justify maintaining those houses and urban sprawl and decay follows. This is how the democrats conduct their war on the poor--by saying they are going after the fat cats.
 
The pension funds were stupid enough to believe Wall Street's lies. They were told their ROI's were going to be well above the average ROI of 8 percent, and they lost their asses due to Wall Street's malfeasance. Because Wall Street lied, a lot of states increased the benefits for public employees.

It's the same deal with college endowment funds. They invested in Wall Street's lies, and were robbed. Larry Summers, one of the architects of the bubble, drank his own Kool-Aid. After leaving the Clinton Administration he went on to manage Harvard's endowment, and lost them $2 billion. So there is a God.

It's the same deal with insurance companies. They make most of their money from investments. They take the profits from their premiums and invest them on Wall Street, and they were robbed, too.
 
Water bills are often shouldered by the landlord because it is impractical to put that many meters and such in high density housing, especially multi-floor housing. Electric bills would more likely be a burden on every household.

Yo, your reply makes no sense! The taxpayer pays in the end, one way or another, period!

"GTP"
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Water bills are often shouldered by the landlord because it is impractical to put that many meters and such in high density housing, especially multi-floor housing. Electric bills would more likely be a burden on every household.

Yo, your reply makes no sense! The taxpayer pays in the end, one way or another, period!

"GTP"
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It makes no sense to the "I'm a victim" crowd, left or right.
 
Chicago teachers' fund sues investment banks over interest-rate swaps


Goldman Sachs Pays $272M to Settle Suit Over Mortgage-Backed Securities
Goldman Sachs Group Inc. will pay $272 million to settle a lawsuit that claimed the Wall Street bank defrauded investors about the safety of about $6 billion of residential mortgage-backed securities they bought in 2007 and 2008.

The settlement with investors led by the NECA-IBEW Health & Welfare Fund, an electrical workers' pension fund in Decatur, Illinois, was disclosed in filings with the U.S. District Court in Manhattan on Thursday.



Press Release: Goldman Sachs to Pay Record $550 Million to Settle SEC Charges Related to Subprime Mortgage CDO; 2010-123; Jul. 15, 2010



US Pension Funds Allege BlackRock 'Looted' iShares


Federal Court Renews Pension Fund's Lawsuit Against Freddie Mac


Goldman Sachs to Pay $26 Million to Settle Investor Suit
 
The pension funds were stupid enough to believe Wall Street's lies. They were told their ROI's were going to be well above the average ROI of 8 percent, and they lost their asses due to Wall Street's malfeasance. Because Wall Street lied, a lot of states increased the benefits for public employees.

It's the same deal with college endowment funds. They invested in Wall Street's lies, and were robbed. Larry Summers, one of the architects of the bubble, drank his own Kool-Aid. After leaving the Clinton Administration he went on to manage Harvard's endowment, and lost them $2 billion. So there is a God.

It's the same deal with insurance companies. They make most of their money from investments. They take the profits from their premiums and invest them on Wall Street, and they were robbed, too.

I know you have an axe to grind with Wall Street, but here the lies entirely serve the need of the local politicians at the time of the required investments. They guess a ROI that allows them to contribute less, and then if the ROI's don't pan out, they can blame "greedy wall street" and people like you will fall for it.

The investment banks make their money on things like pensions on asset value, not on ROI, and although ROI's that are higher produce more value, lower ROI's than those projected allowed the governments to put LESS into the funds, thus reducing the fees the funds can charge.

Find blame for Wall Street elsewhere. Overstating ROI's does not make the investing companies any more $$, but it does allow local and State governments to justify low annual investments.
 
You might want to ask yourself why so many criminals who committed so much fraud against the American people are not in jail.
 
Water bills are often shouldered by the landlord because it is impractical to put that many meters and such in high density housing, especially multi-floor housing. Electric bills would more likely be a burden on every household.

Yo, your reply makes no sense! The taxpayer pays in the end, one way or another, period!

"GTP"
View attachment 84737

It makes no sense to the "I'm a victim" crowd, left or right.

Yo, the "I`m a victim" crowd can`t comprehend the truth!!!

"GTP"
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The pension funds were stupid enough to believe Wall Street's lies. They were told their ROI's were going to be well above the average ROI of 8 percent, and they lost their asses due to Wall Street's malfeasance. Because Wall Street lied, a lot of states increased the benefits for public employees.

It's the same deal with college endowment funds. They invested in Wall Street's lies, and were robbed. Larry Summers, one of the architects of the bubble, drank his own Kool-Aid. After leaving the Clinton Administration he went on to manage Harvard's endowment, and lost them $2 billion. So there is a God.

It's the same deal with insurance companies. They make most of their money from investments. They take the profits from their premiums and invest them on Wall Street, and they were robbed, too.

I know you have an axe to grind with Wall Street, but here the lies entirely serve the need of the local politicians at the time of the required investments. They guess a ROI that allows them to contribute less, and then if the ROI's don't pan out, they can blame "greedy wall street" and people like you will fall for it.

The investment banks make their money on things like pensions on asset value, not on ROI, and although ROI's that are higher produce more value, lower ROI's than those projected allowed the governments to put LESS into the funds, thus reducing the fees the funds can charge.

That's exactly what I said, dipshit. The pensions either increased benefits, or reduced contributions, or both. And those changes were based on lies told to them by Wall Street.

As shown by the links I just provided, Wall Street committed MASSIVE fraud against investors, including pension funds, insurance companies, municipalities, and college endowments.
 
"I'm really good at that stuff," he said in Iowa. "I know Wall Street. I know the people on Wall Street. We're going to have the greatest negotiators of the world, but at the same time I'm not going to let Wall Street get away with murder. Wall Street has caused tremendous problems for us. We're going to tax Wall Street."

'Tax Wall Street,' Trump Pledges After Worst Market Week Since 2011
 
Chicago teachers' fund sues investment banks over interest-rate swaps


Goldman Sachs Pays $272M to Settle Suit Over Mortgage-Backed Securities
Goldman Sachs Group Inc. will pay $272 million to settle a lawsuit that claimed the Wall Street bank defrauded investors about the safety of about $6 billion of residential mortgage-backed securities they bought in 2007 and 2008.

The settlement with investors led by the NECA-IBEW Health & Welfare Fund, an electrical workers' pension fund in Decatur, Illinois, was disclosed in filings with the U.S. District Court in Manhattan on Thursday.



Press Release: Goldman Sachs to Pay Record $550 Million to Settle SEC Charges Related to Subprime Mortgage CDO; 2010-123; Jul. 15, 2010



US Pension Funds Allege BlackRock 'Looted' iShares


Federal Court Renews Pension Fund's Lawsuit Against Freddie Mac


Goldman Sachs to Pay $26 Million to Settle Investor Suit

Yo, Goldman Sachs might not be able to give Hillary Clinton the "Big Money" they were going to contribute!

"GTP"
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Water bills are often shouldered by the landlord because it is impractical to put that many meters and such in high density housing, especially multi-floor housing. Electric bills would more likely be a burden on every household.

Yo, your reply makes no sense! The taxpayer pays in the end, one way or another, period!

"GTP"
View attachment 84737

It makes no sense to the "I'm a victim" crowd, left or right.

Yo, the "I`m a victim" crowd can`t comprehend the truth!!!

"GTP"
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You've illustrated it quite effectively today.
 
Illinois is not the only state that is fucked. New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, West Virginia, Louisiana, and Hawaii are also fucked.
 
You might want to ask yourself why so many criminals who committed so much fraud against the American people are not in jail.

What laws did they break?

Most of the issues from the 2008 financial crisis were created by legal acts, not illegal ones.
 
Illinois is not the only state that is fucked. New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, West Virginia, Louisiana, and Hawaii are also fucked.

You forgot California. CalPERS is the poster boy/girl/it for shenanigans with ROI.
 

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