Democrats refuse to vote on bill funding the government... and then blame Republicans

[Little-Acorn]

If the government doesn't get funded by October, it will shut down.

Republicans in the House have passed a bill that will fund all of the government at last year's levels, even including all the Democrats' pet projects from last year that Republicans (or at least conservatives) normally object to.

Deomcrats in the Senate have refused to pass that bill, or even vote on it, because it doesn't fund one new Dem pet project that wasn't part of the government last year, the ACA. But they are doing nothing to write a separate bill to fund that new pet project.

The more fanatical Democrats are insisting it's Republicans' fault that government isn't getting funded.

Can they get any sillier?

 

[ron4342]

It is hard to believe you are so uninformed. Here is a little history for you.
The debt ceiling has been raised dozens of time by Presidents of both parties. Every time the bill to raise the debt ceiling was presented to the President IT WAS A CLEAN BILL. It dealt with only one topic. and one topic only: Raising the debt ceiling.
Never (Let me repeat that; NEVER) has a political party tried to use the debt ceiling to achieve their political agenda. The reason it was never done in the past was because the political parties of the past were smart enough to realize that the debt ceiling was to important to screw around with. Unfortunately the republican party of today is not as bright as the republicans of yesterday. They believe it is okay to use the debt ceiling as a weapon to try to extort the American people. They believe that democracy means the minority should tell the majority what they must do. They believe that there are only two choices here: (1) They get their way or (2) they will blow up the economy and visit hardship to hundreds of thousands of America.
In short they believe it is acceptable to damage the US so that they can get their way. What we have in the republicans of today is a bunch of childish, ignorant, selfish people who don't give a crap about hurting this country or the people in it as long as they get their way.
Basically the republicans are God's curse on America.

 

[Claudette]

The ACA is going to be another program that we taxpayers are gonna be forced to fund.

You know. All those folks that we will have to subsidize.

Basically I think the Dems are God's curse on America.

 

[Little-Acorn]

It is hard to believe you are so uninformed. Here is a little history for you.

(long screed changing the subject to Debt Ceiling and cursing Republicans, deleted)

Hmmm, looks like we have another angry liberal with nothing relevant to say.

 

[candycorn]

If the government doesn't get funded by October, it will shut down.

Republicans in the House have passed a bill that will fund all of the government at last year's levels, even including all the Democrats' pet projects from last year that Republicans (or at least conservatives) normally object to.

Deomcrats in the Senate have refused to pass that bill, or even vote on it, because it doesn't fund one new Dem pet project that wasn't part of the government last year, the ACA. But they are doing nothing to write a separate bill to fund that new pet project.

The more fanatical Democrats are insisting it's Republicans' fault that government isn't getting funded.

Can they get any sillier?

The ACA was passed in 2010 if memory serves.

 

[Little-Acorn]

BTW, I'm starting to find out, that all of the liberal fanatics carrying on about the terrible things in the Repbulican bill funding government...

....HAVE NEVER EVEN READ IT. They have no idea what is in it!

Stunning.

 

[peach174]

It is hard to believe you are so uninformed. Here is a little history for you.
The debt ceiling has been raised dozens of time by Presidents of both parties. Every time the bill to raise the debt ceiling was presented to the President IT WAS A CLEAN BILL. It dealt with only one topic. and one topic only: Raising the debt ceiling.
Never (Let me repeat that; NEVER) has a political party tried to use the debt ceiling to achieve their political agenda. The reason it was never done in the past was because the political parties of the past were smart enough to realize that the debt ceiling was to important to screw around with. Unfortunately the republican party of today is not as bright as the republicans of yesterday. They believe it is okay to use the debt ceiling as a weapon to try to extort the American people. They believe that democracy means the minority should tell the majority what they must do. They believe that there are only two choices here: (1) They get their way or (2) they will blow up the economy and visit hardship to hundreds of thousands of America.
In short they believe it is acceptable to damage the US so that they can get their way. What we have in the republicans of today is a bunch of childish, ignorant, selfish people who don't give a crap about hurting this country or the people in it as long as they get their way.
Basically the republicans are God's curse on America.

We have never been 17 Trillion in debt either.
We also do not have 1.85 Trillion for this Health Care bill.

Liberal Democrats in the Senate that was the minority in 1976, shut down the Government
3 times in order to get Medicaid funding that allowed to pay for abortions in cases where the mother's life is endangered was widened to include abortions resulting from rape or incest, or which are necessary to protect the mother's health (even if her life was not endangered).

Why was it OK that Liberal Dem's that was in the minority back then who got their way with 3 Government shut downs and ruled over the majority accepted as Democracy?


Because we are a Republic, not a Democracy, where the Minority has as much rights as the Majority.

 

[Nyvin]

The Senate passed the house's CR bill, minus the funding of ACA extortion part.

Why hasn't the house passed their own bill?

 

[healthmyths]

It is hard to believe you are so uninformed. Here is a little history for you.
The debt ceiling has been raised dozens of time by Presidents of both parties. Every time the bill to raise the debt ceiling was presented to the President IT WAS A CLEAN BILL. It dealt with only one topic. and one topic only: Raising the debt ceiling.
Never (Let me repeat that; NEVER) has a political party tried to use the debt ceiling to achieve their political agenda. The reason it was never done in the past was because the political parties of the past were smart enough to realize that the debt ceiling was to important to screw around with. Unfortunately the republican party of today is not as bright as the republicans of yesterday. They believe it is okay to use the debt ceiling as a weapon to try to extort the American people. They believe that democracy means the minority should tell the majority what they must do. They believe that there are only two choices here: (1) They get their way or (2) they will blow up the economy and visit hardship to hundreds of thousands of America.
In short they believe it is acceptable to damage the US so that they can get their way. What we have in the republicans of today is a bunch of childish, ignorant, selfish people who don't give a crap about hurting this country or the people in it as long as they get their way.
Basically the republicans are God's curse on America.

He was writing about Funding the govt. Has nothing to do with raising the debt ceiling.
TWO different issues!

 

[Zoom-boing]

It is hard to believe you are so uninformed. Here is a little history for you.
The debt ceiling has been raised dozens of time by Presidents of both parties. Every time the bill to raise the debt ceiling was presented to the President IT WAS A CLEAN BILL. It dealt with only one topic. and one topic only: Raising the debt ceiling.
Never (Let me repeat that; NEVER) has a political party tried to use the debt ceiling to achieve their political agenda. The reason it was never done in the past was because the political parties of the past were smart enough to realize that the debt ceiling was to important to screw around with. Unfortunately the republican party of today is not as bright as the republicans of yesterday. They believe it is okay to use the debt ceiling as a weapon to try to extort the American people. They believe that democracy means the minority should tell the majority what they must do. They believe that there are only two choices here: (1) They get their way or (2) they will blow up the economy and visit hardship to hundreds of thousands of America.
In short they believe it is acceptable to damage the US so that they can get their way. What we have in the republicans of today is a bunch of childish, ignorant, selfish people who don't give a crap about hurting this country or the people in it as long as they get their way.
Basically the republicans are God's curse on America.

Debt ceiling? I thought this was the CR (you know, in lieu of cause the Dems haven't passed a budget since W)?

 

[Zoom-boing]

If the government doesn't get funded by October, it will shut down.

Republicans in the House have passed a bill that will fund all of the government at last year's levels, even including all the Democrats' pet projects from last year that Republicans (or at least conservatives) normally object to.

Deomcrats in the Senate have refused to pass that bill, or even vote on it, because it doesn't fund one new Dem pet project that wasn't part of the government last year, the ACA. But they are doing nothing to write a separate bill to fund that new pet project.

The more fanatical Democrats are insisting it's Republicans' fault that government isn't getting funded.

Can they get any sillier?

It isn't a "pet project", it's the law. Yes, as sucky as it is, it is still the law.

 

[francoHFW]

We already are paying for the uninsured, just in the stupidest, cruelist, most expensive way possible- ER care, bankruptcies, forcing on to welfare to get Medicaid- and 45000 deaths a year. Pub dupes...

 

[peach174]

The Senate passed the house's CR bill, minus the funding of ACA extortion part.

Why hasn't the house passed their own bill?

They did.
The bill they passed back to the Senate is for delaying the Health Care Bill for a year so that the bugs can be worked out, exempting Tax on Medical devices and funding Military pay in case of a shut down.
Now we are waiting on what the Senate will do when they start their business day at 2:00 p.m. ET.
Sen. Harry Reid will not accept the compromise.

 

[OriginalShroom]

It is hard to believe you are so uninformed. Here is a little history for you.
The debt ceiling has been raised dozens of time by Presidents of both parties. Every time the bill to raise the debt ceiling was presented to the President IT WAS A CLEAN BILL. It dealt with only one topic. and one topic only: Raising the debt ceiling.
Never (Let me repeat that; NEVER) has a political party tried to use the debt ceiling to achieve their political agenda. The reason it was never done in the past was because the political parties of the past were smart enough to realize that the debt ceiling was to important to screw around with. Unfortunately the republican party of today is not as bright as the republicans of yesterday. They believe it is okay to use the debt ceiling as a weapon to try to extort the American people. They believe that democracy means the minority should tell the majority what they must do. They believe that there are only two choices here: (1) They get their way or (2) they will blow up the economy and visit hardship to hundreds of thousands of America.
In short they believe it is acceptable to damage the US so that they can get their way. What we have in the republicans of today is a bunch of childish, ignorant, selfish people who don't give a crap about hurting this country or the people in it as long as they get their way.
Basically the republicans are God's curse on America.

You are so mal-informed that it begs the question.. Do you always believe what Democrats always say?

Obama?s claim that non-budget items have ?never? been attached to the debt ceiling

Generally, raising the debt ceiling has been routine and not especially controversial. But, as we have noted before, starting in 1953 during the Dwight Eisenhower administration, fiscal conservatives in Congress at times have used the debt limit as a way to force concessions by the executive branch on spending. Eisenhower, a Republican, had particular trouble with a Democrat, Sen. Harry F. Byrd of Virginia, over the debt ceiling because Byrd was skeptical of Eisenhower’s plans to build the national highway system.

That dispute was about a budget issue, which the president seemed to exclude in his comment. But unfortunately for the president’s claim, there are other, compelling examples that contradict it.

The Facts

In 1973, when Richard Nixon was president, Democrats in the Senate, including Sen. Edward Kennedy (D-Mass.) and Sen. Walter Mondale (D-Minn.), sought to attach a campaign finance reform bill to the debt ceiling after the Watergate-era revelations about Nixon’s fundraising during the 1972 election. Their efforts were defeated by a filibuster, but it took days of debate and the lawmakers were criticized by commentators (and fellow lawmakers) for using “shotgun” tactics to try to hitch their pet cause to emergency must-pass legislation.

President Obama said that GOP lawmakers now are trying to “extort” repeal of the health care law via the debt limit, but that’s also what Democrats wanted to do with President Nixon, who opposed the campaign-finance reforms.

Indeed, Linda K. Kowalcky and Lance T. LeLoup wrote in a comprehensive study of the politics of the debt limit, for Public Administration Review, that “during this period, the genesis of a pattern developed that would eventually become full blown in the mid-1970s and 1980s: the use of the debt ceiling vote as a vehicle for other legislative matters.”

Previously, they noted, the debt limit bill had been linked to the mechanics of debt management, but now anything was fair game. Major changes in Social Security were attached to the debt bill; another controversial amendment sought to end the bombing in Cambodia. Kowalcky and LeLoup list 25 nongermane amendments that were attached to debt-limit bills between 1978 and 1987, including allowing voluntary school prayer, banning busing to achieve integration and proposing a nuclear freeze.





In 1982, Senate Majority Leader Howard Baker unleashed a free-for-all by allowing 1,400 nongermane amendments to the debt ceiling legislation, which resulted in five weeks of raucous debate that mostly focused on limiting federal court jurisdiction over school payer and busing. The debt limit only passed after lawmakers decided to strip all of the amendments from the bill.

One of the most striking examples of a president being forced to accept unrelated legislation on a debt-ceiling bill took place in 1980. The House and Senate repealed a central part of President Jimmy Carter’s energy policy — an oil import fee that was expected to raise the cost of gasoline by 10 cents a gallon. Carter vetoed the bill, even though the United States was close to default, and then the House and Senate overrode his veto by overwhelming numbers (335-34 in the House; 68-10 in the Senate).

“Foes of the fee succeeded in linking the two measures to gain added leverage for killing the fee,” The Washington Post reported on Carter’s stunning defeat. “The Treasury Department immediately announced it was resuming the sale of bonds, which it suspended Thursday night when the debt ceiling expired.”

To be sure, the success rate of attaching nongermane amendments to a debt-limit bill is relatively low. Anita S. Krishnakumar, in a 2007 paper for the Harvard Journal on Legislation, said that less than 10 percent of the debt limit bills passed between 1978 and 2002 contained amendments not related to the debt or budget. Only twice — in 1980 and in 1995 — did Congress successfully pass amendments opposed by the president. But as Carter’s defeat shows, Congress has used the debt limit to repeal a key legislative priority of a president.

In response, the Obama White House provided us with information on the negative impact on the economy during the 2011 debt-ceiling impasse, but did not comment on the examples listed above. (Update: White House Press Secretary Jay Carney, at his news briefing on Thursday, pushed back against our findings, saying, ”It is absolutely correct that, prior to 2011, no party to the budget agreements of the past had ever threatened default if it did not get its way ideologically. It did not happen.” We will note that this is not what the president said at the Business Roundtable.)

The Pinocchio Test

Clearly, Obama’s sweeping statement does not stand up to scrutiny, even with his caveat. Time and again, lawmakers have used the “must-pass” nature of the debt limit to force changes in unrelated laws. Often, the effort fails — as the GOP drive to repeal Obamacare almost certainly will. But Kowalcky and LeLoup speculate that one reason why Congress has not eliminated the debt limit, despite the political problems it poses, is because lawmakers enjoy the leverage it provides against the executive branch.

 

[OriginalShroom]

After reading Ron4342's post, and many other Liberals who say the same thing, I am forced to wonder if it is only Conservatives who never believe every statement made by any elected politician of any party.

I don't care if it a Republican, Democrat, Green Party, Commy party of the U.S., Libertarian, or Perverts of America....

They all lie.

Yet it seems that Liberals, Democrats, and even some Republicans suck down those lies and regurgitate them without ever double checking the statement to see exactly how true it is.

You can't trust the media to correct the lies, especially the lies of the Democratic party... They reprint them as the truth without question.

Churchill was right when he said “A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.” .. Especially when it is a Democrat telling that lie.

 

[Black_Label]

BTW, I'm starting to find out, that all of the liberal fanatics carrying on about the terrible things in the Repbulican bill funding government...

....HAVE NEVER EVEN READ IT. They have no idea what is in it!

Stunning.

I guarantee no right wing shitheads like yourself read it, you just do as you are told like a good sheep.

 

[Zoom-boing]

BTW, I'm starting to find out, that all of the liberal fanatics carrying on about the terrible things in the Repbulican bill funding government...

....HAVE NEVER EVEN READ IT. They have no idea what is in it!

Stunning.

I guarantee no right wing shitheads like yourself read it, you just do as you are told like a good sheep.

Derp.