Democratic Socialists Openly Calling For Communism After Ocasio-Cortez Win

[Tehon]

Why would any American want to go Socialist when it has been a proven failure everywhere. America works because of Capitalism.

No idea, I'm no Socialist or Communist.

However, this doesn't really have anything to do with what I actually said, does it?

Do you promote Socialism in the US? You defended Socialists vs. Communists. Why would the USA need either?

I kinda like having police, fire department, and military.

Police, fire and military are not socialist dimwit. How degenerate are you if you think police fire and military are inventions of Marx?
And to add insult to injury, public safety and defense are institutions that socialists have a particular hatred for in this country.
Cognitive dissonance yet again.

Funny how you're so quick to insult people, and yet you don't seem to understand what is being said.

There's Socialism, which is the desire to see collective ownership of production and goods.

Then there's socialized things. The NHS in the UK is socialized healthcare. The fire service in the UK is socialized. The military in the US is socialized.

Definition of SOCIALIZE

"socialized;

2a : to constitute on a socialistic basis

• socialize industry"

This is what is being spoken about. Just because you don't get it, doesn't make the other person stupid.

You are being disingenuous.

You just made their case. Properly.

 

[night_son]

Why would any American want to go Socialist when it has been a proven failure everywhere. America works because of Capitalism.

No idea, I'm no Socialist or Communist.

However, this doesn't really have anything to do with what I actually said, does it?

Do you promote Socialism in the US? You defended Socialists vs. Communists. Why would the USA need either?

I kinda like having police, fire department, and military.

Capitalism supports all of those. Grow a pair and be a true socialist about redistribution of wealth.

No it doesn't. You should get a grownup to explain it to you.

Yes, capitalism does provide for the basic infrastructure of society. You've obviously graduated from the Sarah Silverman university of socialism. We enjoy government provided infrastructure such as the non-socialist state and federal organs you list. Socialized vs. Socialist. We Americans also benefit from a limited interventionist economy.

Do not believe one word the pro-socialist radical Left tells you. Chains inside of lies.

 

[BULLDOG]

No idea, I'm no Socialist or Communist.

However, this doesn't really have anything to do with what I actually said, does it?

Do you promote Socialism in the US? You defended Socialists vs. Communists. Why would the USA need either?

I kinda like having police, fire department, and military.

Capitalism supports all of those. Grow a pair and be a true socialist about redistribution of wealth.

No it doesn't. You should get a grownup to explain it to you.

Yes, capitalism does provide for the basic infrastructure of society. You've obviously graduated from the Sarah Silverman university of socialism. We enjoy government provided infrastructure such as the non-socialist state and federal organs you list. Socialized vs. Socialist. We Americans also benefit from a limited interventionist economy.

Do not believe one word the pro-socialist radical Left tells you. Chains inside of lies.

I'm sure you think you're right. After all, your party benefits from the vast knowledge of people like Louie Gohmert, and Alex Jones.

 

[night_son]

Do you promote Socialism in the US? You defended Socialists vs. Communists. Why would the USA need either?

I kinda like having police, fire department, and military.

Capitalism supports all of those. Grow a pair and be a true socialist about redistribution of wealth.

No it doesn't. You should get a grownup to explain it to you.

Yes, capitalism does provide for the basic infrastructure of society. You've obviously graduated from the Sarah Silverman university of socialism. We enjoy government provided infrastructure such as the non-socialist state and federal organs you list. Socialized vs. Socialist. We Americans also benefit from a limited interventionist economy.

Do not believe one word the pro-socialist radical Left tells you. Chains inside of lies.

I'm sure you think you're right. After all, your party benefits from the vast knowledge of people like Louie Gohmert, and Alex Jones.

Adversely, I am a fan of democratic feudalism; a system as logical and kind as a socialist America. Further, military organization and tradition, transcend by millennia, the recently intellectualized nascence of collectivism. Perhaps we should interview Hammurabi's generals. I wonder, do they still have tongues?

 

[frigidweirdo]

No idea, I'm no Socialist or Communist.

However, this doesn't really have anything to do with what I actually said, does it?

Do you promote Socialism in the US? You defended Socialists vs. Communists. Why would the USA need either?

I kinda like having police, fire department, and military.

Police, fire and military are not socialist dimwit. How degenerate are you if you think police fire and military are inventions of Marx?
And to add insult to injury, public safety and defense are institutions that socialists have a particular hatred for in this country.
Cognitive dissonance yet again.

Funny how you're so quick to insult people, and yet you don't seem to understand what is being said.

There's Socialism, which is the desire to see collective ownership of production and goods.

Then there's socialized things. The NHS in the UK is socialized healthcare. The fire service in the UK is socialized. The military in the US is socialized.

Definition of SOCIALIZE

"socialized;

2a : to constitute on a socialistic basis

• socialize industry"

This is what is being spoken about. Just because you don't get it, doesn't make the other person stupid.

You are being disingenuous.

You just made their case. Properly.

Right, you know me more than I know me.

 

[Tehon]

Do you promote Socialism in the US? You defended Socialists vs. Communists. Why would the USA need either?

I kinda like having police, fire department, and military.

Police, fire and military are not socialist dimwit. How degenerate are you if you think police fire and military are inventions of Marx?
And to add insult to injury, public safety and defense are institutions that socialists have a particular hatred for in this country.
Cognitive dissonance yet again.

Funny how you're so quick to insult people, and yet you don't seem to understand what is being said.

There's Socialism, which is the desire to see collective ownership of production and goods.

Then there's socialized things. The NHS in the UK is socialized healthcare. The fire service in the UK is socialized. The military in the US is socialized.

Definition of SOCIALIZE

"socialized;

2a : to constitute on a socialistic basis

• socialize industry"

This is what is being spoken about. Just because you don't get it, doesn't make the other person stupid.

You are being disingenuous.

You just made their case. Properly.

Right, you know me more than I know me.

I don't have to know you. The context of this thread makes it clear that you properly articulated what DOTR and others were trying to say. And then try to claim they don't understand it.

You should've addressed your post to BULLDOG

 

[frigidweirdo]

I kinda like having police, fire department, and military.

Police, fire and military are not socialist dimwit. How degenerate are you if you think police fire and military are inventions of Marx?
And to add insult to injury, public safety and defense are institutions that socialists have a particular hatred for in this country.
Cognitive dissonance yet again.

Funny how you're so quick to insult people, and yet you don't seem to understand what is being said.

There's Socialism, which is the desire to see collective ownership of production and goods.

Then there's socialized things. The NHS in the UK is socialized healthcare. The fire service in the UK is socialized. The military in the US is socialized.

Definition of SOCIALIZE

"socialized;

2a : to constitute on a socialistic basis

• socialize industry"

This is what is being spoken about. Just because you don't get it, doesn't make the other person stupid.

You are being disingenuous.

You just made their case. Properly.

Right, you know me more than I know me.

I don't have to know you. The context of this thread makes it clear that you properly articulated what DOTR and others were trying to say. And then try to claim they don't understand it.

You should've addressed your post to BULLDOG

I'm not sure what thread you're reading, but it doesn't seem to have much to do with this one.

 

[Tehon]

Police, fire and military are not socialist dimwit. How degenerate are you if you think police fire and military are inventions of Marx?
And to add insult to injury, public safety and defense are institutions that socialists have a particular hatred for in this country.
Cognitive dissonance yet again.

Funny how you're so quick to insult people, and yet you don't seem to understand what is being said.

There's Socialism, which is the desire to see collective ownership of production and goods.

Then there's socialized things. The NHS in the UK is socialized healthcare. The fire service in the UK is socialized. The military in the US is socialized.

Definition of SOCIALIZE

"socialized;

2a : to constitute on a socialistic basis

• socialize industry"

This is what is being spoken about. Just because you don't get it, doesn't make the other person stupid.

You are being disingenuous.

You just made their case. Properly.

Right, you know me more than I know me.

I don't have to know you. The context of this thread makes it clear that you properly articulated what DOTR and others were trying to say. And then try to claim they don't understand it.

You should've addressed your post to BULLDOG

I'm not sure what thread you're reading, but it doesn't seem to have much to do with this one.

That's disingenuous.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Funny how you're so quick to insult people, and yet you don't seem to understand what is being said.

There's Socialism, which is the desire to see collective ownership of production and goods.

Then there's socialized things. The NHS in the UK is socialized healthcare. The fire service in the UK is socialized. The military in the US is socialized.

Definition of SOCIALIZE

"socialized;

2a : to constitute on a socialistic basis

• socialize industry"

This is what is being spoken about. Just because you don't get it, doesn't make the other person stupid.

You are being disingenuous.

You just made their case. Properly.

Right, you know me more than I know me.

I don't have to know you. The context of this thread makes it clear that you properly articulated what DOTR and others were trying to say. And then try to claim they don't understand it.

You should've addressed your post to BULLDOG

I'm not sure what thread you're reading, but it doesn't seem to have much to do with this one.

That's disingenuous.

Dude, you're way off topic and boring me to death.

 

[mudwhistle]

Ohhhh....nooooo.....they never said they would even suggest communism.
Thanks to their useful idiots they think they can be more bold now.

Kinda like tRump and his racists huh?

Trump doesn't have any racists, twerp.

 

[Tehon]

Well of course. Communism is rooted in failure. Go research the text book example relative to road crews in Russia before the break up of USSR. They would lay say, 2 miles of road a day with a fixed salary. Once the great Ronald Regan convinced them to "bring down this wall" a mutant form of capitalism evolved in Russia.

The road crews were then paid based on 'performance'

Guess what? Workers started laying miles of road a day like never before. The harder they worked, the more they were paid

Communism is an epic fAiL

-Geaux
---------------------------

The Democratic Socialists of America recently got a major boost when one of their endorsed candidates, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, beat out incumbent Democrat Rep. Joe Crowley in a primary last Tuesday for New York’s 14th Congressional District.

This far-left political organization previously made headlines when leadership from their Iowa State campus chapter encouraged people to shoot president Trump and when leadership from their University of Georgia Chapter called for the execution of house GOP members. Now multiple DSA leaders are publicly endorsing communism, an ideology responsible or the oppression, incarceration, and murder of tens of millions of people.

Here is the original tweet from Olivia Katbi Smith, who is the co-Chair of the Portland DSA chapter:

As a DSA chapter co-chair I just wanna set the record straight for a minute: communism is good

6:38 PM - Jun 30, 2018

Democratic Socialists Openly Calling For Communism After Ocasio-Cortez Win

Why would SOCIALISTS be calling for COMMUNISM?

Because communism is the end goal of socialism.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Well of course. Communism is rooted in failure. Go research the text book example relative to road crews in Russia before the break up of USSR. They would lay say, 2 miles of road a day with a fixed salary. Once the great Ronald Regan convinced them to "bring down this wall" a mutant form of capitalism evolved in Russia.

The road crews were then paid based on 'performance'

Guess what? Workers started laying miles of road a day like never before. The harder they worked, the more they were paid

Communism is an epic fAiL

-Geaux
---------------------------

The Democratic Socialists of America recently got a major boost when one of their endorsed candidates, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, beat out incumbent Democrat Rep. Joe Crowley in a primary last Tuesday for New York’s 14th Congressional District.

This far-left political organization previously made headlines when leadership from their Iowa State campus chapter encouraged people to shoot president Trump and when leadership from their University of Georgia Chapter called for the execution of house GOP members. Now multiple DSA leaders are publicly endorsing communism, an ideology responsible or the oppression, incarceration, and murder of tens of millions of people.

Here is the original tweet from Olivia Katbi Smith, who is the co-Chair of the Portland DSA chapter:

As a DSA chapter co-chair I just wanna set the record straight for a minute: communism is good

6:38 PM - Jun 30, 2018

Democratic Socialists Openly Calling For Communism After Ocasio-Cortez Win

Why would SOCIALISTS be calling for COMMUNISM?

Because communism is the end goal of socialism.

Fucking hell......

A Socialist is someone who doesn't want to go Communist, because otherwise they'd be a FUCKING COMMUNIST.

 

[Tehon]

Well of course. Communism is rooted in failure. Go research the text book example relative to road crews in Russia before the break up of USSR. They would lay say, 2 miles of road a day with a fixed salary. Once the great Ronald Regan convinced them to "bring down this wall" a mutant form of capitalism evolved in Russia.

The road crews were then paid based on 'performance'

Guess what? Workers started laying miles of road a day like never before. The harder they worked, the more they were paid

Communism is an epic fAiL

-Geaux
---------------------------

The Democratic Socialists of America recently got a major boost when one of their endorsed candidates, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, beat out incumbent Democrat Rep. Joe Crowley in a primary last Tuesday for New York’s 14th Congressional District.

This far-left political organization previously made headlines when leadership from their Iowa State campus chapter encouraged people to shoot president Trump and when leadership from their University of Georgia Chapter called for the execution of house GOP members. Now multiple DSA leaders are publicly endorsing communism, an ideology responsible or the oppression, incarceration, and murder of tens of millions of people.

Here is the original tweet from Olivia Katbi Smith, who is the co-Chair of the Portland DSA chapter:

As a DSA chapter co-chair I just wanna set the record straight for a minute: communism is good

6:38 PM - Jun 30, 2018

Democratic Socialists Openly Calling For Communism After Ocasio-Cortez Win

Why would SOCIALISTS be calling for COMMUNISM?

Because communism is the end goal of socialism.

Fucking hell......

A Socialist is someone who doesn't want to go Communist, because otherwise they'd be a FUCKING COMMUNIST.

What do you propose as the difference between the two?

 

[frigidweirdo]

Well of course. Communism is rooted in failure. Go research the text book example relative to road crews in Russia before the break up of USSR. They would lay say, 2 miles of road a day with a fixed salary. Once the great Ronald Regan convinced them to "bring down this wall" a mutant form of capitalism evolved in Russia.

The road crews were then paid based on 'performance'

Guess what? Workers started laying miles of road a day like never before. The harder they worked, the more they were paid

Communism is an epic fAiL

-Geaux
---------------------------

The Democratic Socialists of America recently got a major boost when one of their endorsed candidates, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, beat out incumbent Democrat Rep. Joe Crowley in a primary last Tuesday for New York’s 14th Congressional District.

This far-left political organization previously made headlines when leadership from their Iowa State campus chapter encouraged people to shoot president Trump and when leadership from their University of Georgia Chapter called for the execution of house GOP members. Now multiple DSA leaders are publicly endorsing communism, an ideology responsible or the oppression, incarceration, and murder of tens of millions of people.

Here is the original tweet from Olivia Katbi Smith, who is the co-Chair of the Portland DSA chapter:

As a DSA chapter co-chair I just wanna set the record straight for a minute: communism is good

6:38 PM - Jun 30, 2018

Democratic Socialists Openly Calling For Communism After Ocasio-Cortez Win

Why would SOCIALISTS be calling for COMMUNISM?

Because communism is the end goal of socialism.

Fucking hell......

A Socialist is someone who doesn't want to go Communist, because otherwise they'd be a FUCKING COMMUNIST.

What do you propose as the difference between the two?

Socialism - Wikipedia

"Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and workers' self-management of the means of production[10] as well as the political theories and movements associated with them.[11] Social ownership may refer to forms of public, collective or cooperative ownership, or to citizen ownership of equity.[12] There are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them,[13] though social ownership is the common element shared by its various forms."

Communism - Wikipedia

"In political and social sciences, communism (from Latin communis, "common, universal")[1][2] is the philosophical, social, political, and economic ideology and movement whose ultimate goal is the establishment of the communist society, which is a socioeconomic order structured upon the common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money[3][4] and the state."'

Socialism is, more or less, the aim of having socialized production, socialized society. It varies.

You have state ownership, in which the government owns the production and the people benefit from this, rather than individuals. China has some elements of socialism. There are many companies that are state owned or part state owned. Revenues go into the state coffers, rather than into individuals pockets.

Collectives could be groups of people, all who benefit and they can range from dozens to thousands or millions of people within those collectives, depends.

Cooperatives are like companies, but the people who work in those companies benefit alike, rather than having a boss at the top, all employees are the boss.

Communism is a classless and stateless society. There is no government to control the means of production as there could be with Socialism. The people control things.

This is why the USSR, China, Cuba, Vietnam, North Korea and whoever else, are NOT Communist countries. At best the USSR was Socialist.

Now, there are Communists who might push for Socialism as a means towards Communism. But no Socialist would push for Communism as they wouldn't be a Socialist. Because they'd be advocating the end of the state, no state, no Socialism, so you advocate the end of the state, you can't really be a Socialist, but a Communist.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Being invented by Marx is not part of the definition of socialism. You should look it up. The US system has long been a combination of socialism and capitalism, and always will be. Quit whining..

You don't understand socialism, which does not surprise me. Socialist (Commie) professors and teachers have routinely tried to soften the general understanding of what socialism is.

The means of production was ALWAYS in the hand of the private sector. Some services have shifted to government control and expanded the role of government.

Just because our nation/states have done it, does not mean it is right.

We once allowed one person to own another.

Marx said that socialism would allow civilization to move toward communism. He was wrong, obviously (and generally). Communism leads to socialism because anarchy cannot last for more than a week. Once the means of production is held by "the people" or held in common, somebody has to manage and organize it....government. BOOM....SOCIALISM!!!

Either way, you're all fucking commies and you need to go to commie land and leave us alone.

 

[mudwhistle]

Well of course. Communism is rooted in failure. Go research the text book example relative to road crews in Russia before the break up of USSR. They would lay say, 2 miles of road a day with a fixed salary. Once the great Ronald Regan convinced them to "bring down this wall" a mutant form of capitalism evolved in Russia.

The road crews were then paid based on 'performance'

Guess what? Workers started laying miles of road a day like never before. The harder they worked, the more they were paid

Communism is an epic fAiL

-Geaux
---------------------------

The Democratic Socialists of America recently got a major boost when one of their endorsed candidates, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, beat out incumbent Democrat Rep. Joe Crowley in a primary last Tuesday for New York’s 14th Congressional District.

This far-left political organization previously made headlines when leadership from their Iowa State campus chapter encouraged people to shoot president Trump and when leadership from their University of Georgia Chapter called for the execution of house GOP members. Now multiple DSA leaders are publicly endorsing communism, an ideology responsible or the oppression, incarceration, and murder of tens of millions of people.

Here is the original tweet from Olivia Katbi Smith, who is the co-Chair of the Portland DSA chapter:

As a DSA chapter co-chair I just wanna set the record straight for a minute: communism is good

6:38 PM - Jun 30, 2018

Democratic Socialists Openly Calling For Communism After Ocasio-Cortez Win

Why would SOCIALISTS be calling for COMMUNISM?

Why don't you ask them?

-Geaux

I'm asking you, because you said it.

No genius, I posted a link to where the the co-Chair from the Portland Democratic Socialist of America tweeted....

"As a DSA chapter co-chair I just wanna set the record straight for a minute: communism is good"

Why don't you ask them?

-Geaux

Dah...pay all peasants what the people thinks they need and keep the rest for the glorious party leaders.

 

[Tehon]

Well of course. Communism is rooted in failure. Go research the text book example relative to road crews in Russia before the break up of USSR. They would lay say, 2 miles of road a day with a fixed salary. Once the great Ronald Regan convinced them to "bring down this wall" a mutant form of capitalism evolved in Russia.

The road crews were then paid based on 'performance'

Guess what? Workers started laying miles of road a day like never before. The harder they worked, the more they were paid

Communism is an epic fAiL

-Geaux
---------------------------

The Democratic Socialists of America recently got a major boost when one of their endorsed candidates, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, beat out incumbent Democrat Rep. Joe Crowley in a primary last Tuesday for New York’s 14th Congressional District.

This far-left political organization previously made headlines when leadership from their Iowa State campus chapter encouraged people to shoot president Trump and when leadership from their University of Georgia Chapter called for the execution of house GOP members. Now multiple DSA leaders are publicly endorsing communism, an ideology responsible or the oppression, incarceration, and murder of tens of millions of people.

Here is the original tweet from Olivia Katbi Smith, who is the co-Chair of the Portland DSA chapter:

As a DSA chapter co-chair I just wanna set the record straight for a minute: communism is good

6:38 PM - Jun 30, 2018

Democratic Socialists Openly Calling For Communism After Ocasio-Cortez Win

Why would SOCIALISTS be calling for COMMUNISM?

Because communism is the end goal of socialism.

Fucking hell......

A Socialist is someone who doesn't want to go Communist, because otherwise they'd be a FUCKING COMMUNIST.

What do you propose as the difference between the two?

Socialism - Wikipedia

"Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and workers' self-management of the means of production[10] as well as the political theories and movements associated with them.[11] Social ownership may refer to forms of public, collective or cooperative ownership, or to citizen ownership of equity.[12] There are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them,[13] though social ownership is the common element shared by its various forms."

Communism - Wikipedia

"In political and social sciences, communism (from Latin communis, "common, universal")[1][2] is the philosophical, social, political, and economic ideology and movement whose ultimate goal is the establishment of the communist society, which is a socioeconomic order structured upon the common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money[3][4] and the state."'

Socialism is, more or less, the aim of having socialized production, socialized society. It varies.

You have state ownership, in which the government owns the production and the people benefit from this, rather than individuals. China has some elements of socialism. There are many companies that are state owned or part state owned. Revenues go into the state coffers, rather than into individuals pockets.

Collectives could be groups of people, all who benefit and they can range from dozens to thousands or millions of people within those collectives, depends.

Cooperatives are like companies, but the people who work in those companies benefit alike, rather than having a boss at the top, all employees are the boss.

Communism is a classless and stateless society. There is no government to control the means of production as there could be with Socialism. The people control things.

This is why the USSR, China, Cuba, Vietnam, North Korea and whoever else, are NOT Communist countries. At best the USSR was Socialist.

Now, there are Communists who might push for Socialism as a means towards Communism. But no Socialist would push for Communism as they wouldn't be a Socialist. Because they'd be advocating the end of the state, no state, no Socialism, so you advocate the end of the state, you can't really be a Socialist, but a Communist.

Okay, so they each seek to socialize the means of production.

Is it inconceivable to you that a participant of a political party espousing their particular ideas of socialism would be sympathetic to communism?

I support the transition to a communist society and understand it to be the fruition of a socialist society. Under the present relations of social production it is impossible to achieve communism, the abolishment of the State, without first achieving a socialist system of production.

 

[Geaux4it]

The goal which Obama started and nurtured, is for the United States to become a communist state. The Democrat socialist party is paving the way

-Geaux

 

[whitehall]

The funny part is that the democrat party is in the process of a gigantic political lurch to socialism and the criminal conspiracy mainstream media is unable or unwilling to examine it for fear of losing votes.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Do you promote Socialism in the US? You defended Socialists vs. Communists. Why would the USA need either?

I kinda like having police, fire department, and military.

Police, fire and military are not socialist dimwit. How degenerate are you if you think police fire and military are inventions of Marx?
And to add insult to injury, public safety and defense are institutions that socialists have a particular hatred for in this country.
Cognitive dissonance yet again.

Being invented by Marx is not part of the definition of socialism. You should look it up. The US system has long been a combination of socialism and capitalism, and always will be. Quit whining..

The US has some socialist programs or programs derived from socialism but they cannot nor ever should usurp capitalism.

Capitalism doesn't even figure into those programs silly.

Programs require money. Who pays for it? Underlying the success of a socialist program is a Capitalist economy. When the economy moves decidedly more Socialist over Capitalist, you run out of money or your money and resources are limited.