‘Democracy Is Done’ If Trump Wins White House In 2024, Warns Fiona Hill

[dblack]

We're a representative Democracy.

You want a republic so you can limit people.

The point is to limit democracy - for its own good. Unlimited democracy is unstainable, as we're seeing. The more power we give government, the more dysfunctional democracy becomes.

 

[otto105]

The point is to limit democracy - for its own good. Unlimited democracy is unstainable, as we're seeing. The more power we give government, the more dysfunctional democracy becomes.

No, your point isn't to limit democracy. In a democracy we all vote on the things that we want our government to do.

You want a republic because you want to limit voting, choices of the people and increase your authoritarian beliefs.

 

[Meathead]

No, your point isn't to limit democracy. In a democracy we all vote on the things that we want our government to do.

You want a republic because you want to limit voting, choices of the people and increase your authoritarian beliefs.

Then why isn't the death penalty in 50 states?

Death Penalty

Are you in favor of the death penalty for a person convicted of murder? If you could choose between the following two approaches, which do you think is the better penalty for murder -- [ROTATED: the death penalty (or) life imprisonment, with absolutely no possibility of parole]?

news.gallup.com

 

[dblack]

No, your point isn't to limit democracy.

Correct. It's the point of the Constitution.

In a democracy we all vote on the things that we want our government to do.

You want a republic because you want to limit voting, choices of the people and increase your authoritarian beliefs.

Unlimited democracy isn't viable. It puts the minority completely at the mercy of the majority. I'd never sign up for that. Would you?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Correct. It's the point of the Constitution.

Unlimited democracy isn't viable. It puts the minority completely at the mercy of the majority. I'd never sign up for that. Would you?

pure democracy doesnt work in anything above a small group

 

[otto105]

pure democracy doesnt work in anything above a small group

That's why we are supposed to have an impartial judicial branch.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

That's why we are supposed to have an impartial judicial branch.

So you think Judges can make law, how very lefty of you.

 

[otto105]

So you think Judges can make law, how very lefty of you.

Did I post that wingnut?

They're 1/3 of our government.


If the court overturns abortion and diversity programs are they tacitly making law?

 

[dblack]

If the court overturns abortion and diversity programs are they tacitly making law?

SCOTUS interprets the limits placed on democracy by the Constitution. Those limits are what makes democracy sustainable. As they have been eroded, democracy has become more and more dysfunctional.

 

[otto105]

SCOTUS interprets the limits placed on democracy by the Constitution. Those limits are what makes democracy sustainable. As they have been eroded, democracy has become more and more dysfunctional.

Okay where in the Constitution can I find where it delineates a position on abortion and diversity programs?

 

[dblack]

Okay where in the Constitution can I find where it delineates a position on abortion and diversity programs?

It's right below the lines that grant Congress the power to legislate on abortion or force diversity.

Maybe that was too subtle. The above lines don't exist. The Constitution doesn't grant Congress the power to legislate on abortion or force diversity. That's how it limits the power of the government. By not granting it in the first place.

 

[otto105]

It's right below the lines that grant Congress the power to legislate on abortion or force diversity.

Maybe that was too subtle. The above lines don't exist. The Constitution doesn't grant Congress the power to legislate on abortion or force diversity. That's how it limits the power of the government. By not granting it in the first place.

Just how did the Articles of Confederation work out for you?


Are you missing the supremacy clause? To promote the general welfare? Privacy?

 

[dblack]

Are you missing the supremacy clause? To promote the general welfare? Privacy?

Yep. This is an example of what I was referring to when I mentioned how the Constitution has been eroded. There are those who want unlimited democracy, and they've been working since the ink dried to remove limits on the power of the federal government. I assume you are among that group.

Good news, you're winning! The Court has allowed you to expand the scope and power of government many times over. It's failing to limit democracy, and democracy is failing as a result.

 

[otto105]

Yep. This is an example of what I was referring to when I mentioned how the Constitution has been eroded. There are those who want unlimited democracy, and they've been working since the ink dried to remove limits on the power of the federal government. I assume you are among that group.

Good news, you're winning! The Court has allowed you to expand the scope and power of government many times over. It's failing to limit democracy, and democracy is failing as a result.

Define "unlimited democracy" for us.

 

[dblack]

Define "unlimited democracy" for us.

Democracy without limits.

 

[otto105]

Democracy without limits.

Yeah, define what you call unlimited democracy.

Then ask yourself what we have in America, so you can compare them.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Yeah, define what you call unlimited democracy.

Then ask yourself what we have in America, so you can compare them.

The Constitution LIMITS the power of the Federal Government specifically by only granting specific powers to legislate things by Congress. No where does the Constitution grant to the Congress or the Courts the right to an abortion or force diversity. Or perhaps you can link to the clause allowing it?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Section 8​

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;





To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;





To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;





To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;





To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;





To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;





To establish Post Offices and post Roads;





To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;





To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;





To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;





To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;





To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;





To provide and maintain a Navy;





To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;





To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;





To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;





To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;–And





To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

U.S. Constitution | Constitution Annotated | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

The original text of the United States Constitution and its Amendments.

constitution.congress.gov

 

[otto105]

Section 8​

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;





To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;





To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;





To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;





To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;





To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;





To establish Post Offices and post Roads;





To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;





To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;





To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;





To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;





To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;





To provide and maintain a Navy;





To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;





To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;





To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;





To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;–And





To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

U.S. Constitution | Constitution Annotated | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

The original text of the United States Constitution and its Amendments.

constitution.congress.gov

Live with a dead document be a dead document.

How does the Constitution delineate the internet?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Live with a dead document be a dead document.

How does the Constitution delineate the internet?

Doesnt matter the document PROVIDES the means for change. Until you do it you got no authority.