Debt ceiling threats have already harmed economy

haha TM, go back to the kid's table please. the grown ups are talking.

Do you favor default ?:eusa_angel:

It isn't going to happen.. it's just fear mongering.

Anyway, say I accept that logic... then that's even dumber because the argument is "we can't make the payments on the debt that we already have, so, we have to borrow more money". Which of course wil make the payments even higher, and then it follows that even more money will have to be borrowed.

That makes no sense whatsoever.
 
Tell Obama to quit holding the debt ceiling hostage with his tax increases will ya? Its harming the economy apparently. Debt "celing" haha. Should be called the debt "elevator". You know ... cause its always going up. Dumb ass government.

Do you favor default?
 
Tell Obama to quit holding the debt ceiling hostage with his tax increases will ya?

He was discussing 4 trillion dollars in savings with some minimal changes such as the private jet tax and tying SS to the Chained CPI when the Tea Party fucks dragged the reasonable Republicans out of the room.\

Now those led out of the room are proposing allowing not one, not two but THREE increases with about 1.5T in cuts that aren't event booked.

Over 10 years while adding 20 Trillion to the deficit in that time... This is to assume we don't go into a depression and people with money invest less because of higher taxes.

Do you favor default?
 
The majority of Americans want taxes raised...on someody else.

Like two trillion more in debt doesn't hurt a thing. Got to be brain dead to believe that.

The economy was harmed by government involvement in the housing market, a harmful stimulus package and uncontroled use of credit.

Do you favor default?
 
the right just doesnt cares about democracy.

They hate government and want it drowned in the bathtub which is why they make a mess of it when elected and why they then do this crap when in the minority.

They are sabtotaging the only power the people have over the monied interests.


They scream that nothing good comes from government and then spend their asses off every time they are in office.

The only time they play this no spending bullshit act is when the Democratic party has control.


They gave Bush every dime he wanted repetedly and now all of the sudden they say it harms nothing for us to walk away from paying the bills they created on their watch.


Every sane entity is telling there threat will bring disaster for this country yet they just listen to their partisan hack murdock owned crap and ignore all the sane people.

They love Fox and their own lies more than this country.

They hate half of the American people and then call themselves patriots.
 
haha TM, go back to the kid's table please. the grown ups are talking.

Do you favor default ?:eusa_angel:

It isn't going to happen.. it's just fear mongering.

Anyway, say I accept that logic... then that's even dumber because the argument is "we can't make the payments on the debt that we already have, so, we have to borrow more money". Which of course wil make the payments even higher, and then it follows that even more money will have to be borrowed.

That makes no sense whatsoever.

Do you favor default?
 
Tell Obama to quit holding the debt ceiling hostage with his tax increases will ya?

He was discussing 4 trillion dollars in savings with some minimal changes such as the private jet tax and tying SS to the Chained CPI when the Tea Party fucks dragged the reasonable Republicans out of the room.\

Now those led out of the room are proposing allowing not one, not two but THREE increases with about 1.5T in cuts that aren't event booked.

Over 10 years while adding 20 Trillion to the deficit in that time... This is to assume we don't go into a depression and people with money invest less because of higher taxes.

So you'd prefer we go with the Republicans next plan - cut 1.5T over 10 years?
 
they are the ones who offered this threat in the first place.

When was the last time you heard a demoractic politician say they think it would be good for the country to default on its debts?

The right is saying it right in this thread.
 
He was discussing 4 trillion dollars in savings with some minimal changes such as the private jet tax and tying SS to the Chained CPI when the Tea Party fucks dragged the reasonable Republicans out of the room.\

Now those led out of the room are proposing allowing not one, not two but THREE increases with about 1.5T in cuts that aren't event booked.

Did you see his budget? no you didn't he made a speech he didn't make a budget so where did you come up with 4 trillion? ya he pulled it out of his ass....get back to us when the failure and his cronies have submitted a real budget.

He pulled it out of his ass? Why would you accuse Speaker Boehner of pulling that figure out of his ass? That's the number they were discussing. you know that, right? And they continued using that figure until the Tea Party fucks dragged Boehner to the right of Atilla the Hun - and put him on the side of supporting three debt ceiling hikes with no guaranteed cuts instead of 4T in cuts and one hike.

The 4 trillion in supposed cut's came from the Failures "promise" to make once everyone agreed with him....He made a speech he hasn't submitted a budget.

The Tea party is doing exactly the right thing holding the elected officials feet to the fire quite unlike the left who strangely think the failure should do what ever he want's despite what's its goign to do to our Nation.
 
Did you see his budget? no you didn't he made a speech he didn't make a budget so where did you come up with 4 trillion? ya he pulled it out of his ass....get back to us when the failure and his cronies have submitted a real budget.

He pulled it out of his ass? Why would you accuse Speaker Boehner of pulling that figure out of his ass? That's the number they were discussing. you know that, right? And they continued using that figure until the Tea Party fucks dragged Boehner to the right of Atilla the Hun - and put him on the side of supporting three debt ceiling hikes with no guaranteed cuts instead of 4T in cuts and one hike.

The 4 trillion in supposed cut's came from the Failures "promise" to make once everyone agreed with him....He made a speech he hasn't submitted a budget.

The 4T that Boehner suggested are in the same boat. In fact, all cuts are in that boat - they won't be having a vote in the specific cuts before the Aug 2 deadline.

The Tea party is doing exactly the right thing holding the elected officials feet to the fire quite unlike the left who strangely think the failure should do what ever he want's despite what's its goign to do to our Nation.
The Tea Party is doing everything it can to ensure that you and everyone you know sees the cost of owning a home, buying a car, using a credit card of getting a loan goes up dramatically overnight. and so far, they are on course to succeed.

The Tea Partiers who want us to default seem to think that significantly higher interest rates are the key to economic growth.
 
they are the ones who offered this threat in the first place.

When was the last time you heard a demoractic politician say they think it would be good for the country to default on its debts?

The right is saying it right in this thread.

It looks to me like they are cowards to answer a simple question, "Do you favor default?", and go on record with their opinion. Just a simple yes or no answer is all they give.
 
He was discussing 4 trillion dollars in savings with some minimal changes such as the private jet tax and tying SS to the Chained CPI when the Tea Party fucks dragged the reasonable Republicans out of the room.\

Now those led out of the room are proposing allowing not one, not two but THREE increases with about 1.5T in cuts that aren't event booked.

Over 10 years while adding 20 Trillion to the deficit in that time... This is to assume we don't go into a depression and people with money invest less because of higher taxes.

So you'd prefer we go with the Republicans next plan - cut 1.5T over 10 years?

I don't like the Republican plan no... I like Ron Pauls plan.
 
The majority of Americans want taxes raised.

What the republicans are forcing DOWN AMERICAS THROAT is their historically failed ideas.

The people dont want it , its BAD for the economy.

The republicans dont care , its good for their next elections.

Party over country


I'll put this in TMNese for you: PROOV it! Whear is yor EVADINCE?
 
haha TM, go back to the kid's table please. the grown ups are talking.

Do you favor default ?:eusa_angel:

yep. kickin the can further down the road will harm us more than manning up and taking it now.

Here you go.

There are non partisan experts who are trying to tell the American people this will be horrible for the country and right wing nutters like this think it would be good.

They just dont care about the country or the people who make up this country.

They think the country is some possession that they can take away from the American people they dont like.

They think they own it outright and that those Americans who dont agree with their historically failed ideas dont deserve to be Americans.


America is the people first and foremost, the land belongs to all of the people.

The right believes they can wrestle it away from the people they dont like.

They think only those who think just like them are allowed to be part of the country.

That is why they have no problem STEALING the voting rights of people they dont agree with.

Its all fair as long as they win in the end.

The type of Americans I just described would be seen as traitors in the eyes of anyone who valued democracy.
 

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