Ray From Cleveland
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You have a right to your opinion. You say mail in votes are a problem. What if your in the military station overseas or working in the embassy or overseas for some reason. Should you not be allowed to vote because your cannot go to a voting center.
elections have been doing mail in ballots for over a century. why is it a problem know. Trump won 4 years ago with mail in or absentee ballots were being used. The two bushes won, Ronald Reagan won.
COVID -19 is a problem. If you do not see it as a reason for doing mail in then that is your opinion. Yet other agree that it is a good idea. People have different perceptions about exposing themselves. Some will protect themselves while others will throw caution to the wind. They both have a right to vote and use the best method that they believe keeps them safe.
I already said mail in should be allowed for people that have a legitimate reason to use it. Being overseas in the military is the best reason ever.
We did use mail in in the past, but a fraction of what was used this time. Why is it okay to go shopping at Walmart in person but too dangerous to vote? The Democrats used Covid as an excuse for more mail in. They've been pushing for more mail in long before Covid. Voting in person could have easily been done safely.
So why do Democrats push for mail in? The same reason they fought against Voter-ID's. The Democrats rely on ignorant voters to win elections. Without ignorant voters, the only time you'd hear of the Democrat party is in history books. People who are politically ignorant don't have an interest in politics, so voting is not that important either. I have no interest in the NFL. I couldn't tell you the teams that played in the last five Super Bowls.
Since voting is not that important to ignorant voters, they will only vote if it's convenient enough: rides to the polls, polls open for several days instead of one, no lines, late evening voting hours.... If there is any inconvenience in voting, ignorant voters will stay home, and that means Democrats losses. The Obama Phone and Obama Money people won't show up.
But when you plop a mail in ballot right on somebody's kitchen table, yes, they will vote. They have no idea of what they are voting on, but vote anyhow. And this is why we end up with people like Biden. Anybody with a D next to their name is going to get the votes from these lazy welfare types.
Well so ignorance is you reasoning behind mail in ballots and general voting that you do not agree with. Yet you accept mail in ballots in certain circumstances. Mail in ballots allows more people to vote as is shown in the total numbers. There are controls in place and some votes are thrown out. It allows more people to vote but some do not want more people to vote. They fear getting more people to vote.
Its bad to repub because they lost. The swing states are being attacked by Texas which also has mail in ballots. Florida has mail in ballots. Trump won those states but repubs are not concern with mail in ballots in those states.
So attacking places where they lost is not seen by them as self-serving. Other words for self serving is egocentric, egoistic, egomaniacal
These are the things that make people ignorant. Trump has these qualities that endear him to his followers.
Yet when Mitch would not hold a vote on Obama's pick for the court because he says that the people should decide , Mitch blocked it. Now when trump does it with 3 months left. He rush it thru. The crowd is pleased. They want more.
Is that ignorance? It certainly is self serving. Does self serving make one ignorant?
Well it is the repubs who cannot accept the defeat of their guy. Making claims that have been shot down like ducks in hunting season.
You believe voter fraud cost Trump the election but you cannot prove it. Instead it is more important to spread lies in the hope that certain group of people will believe it without any actual proof. It is also easier to claim ignorance and jump on a bandwagon.
Well you say mail in vote create fraud. IF you allow it in certain situation and disallow it in other then where is this fraud. Who decides when and what group of people can do mail in vote. If you allow one group to do it then in a true democracy you allow others the same convenience.
still states like Texas allow mail in ballot. You do not know what percentage voted Rep or Demo. Fear breeds distrust especially when you do not have the numbers.
thus why they are ignorant in your opinion is because they do not vote repub. The simplicity of this is blinded by motive.
well I would say that you statement lacks any verifiable facts. In fact it is an opinion. When opinions are replaced with facts then that certainly is problematic. Calling others ignorant is in itself ignorance.
The constitution does not require voters to be ignorant or not ignorant. It just requires them to choose. Some even say that the electoral college can be used by the ignorant to overrule the ones they perceive as ignorant. Akin to the blind leading the blind.
Choose is given to everyone who are eligible to vote. Yet some repubs like to take away that choice while waving the flag.
Disagreement amongst people is common but it is a problem if someone cannot handle it. Democracy requires not just lip service but accepting defeat gracefully and accepting the win without demeaning the loser. Well that is one meaning but I am sure your is different.
Well I want to give a shout out to Annie. Hey I miss you but I will stop by soon.
Ignorant simply means uneducated about something. A good example is this election. Some polls have shown that if people in swing states knew about the Hunter scandal, they would have never voted for Biden. They would have either voted for Trump or not vote at all. That would have made Trump the winner this election. But because they are ignorant voters, they voted for the Democrat.
You look at all those blue dots on an election map. Those are areas that have the most people; the inner-city and ghettos of our country. Think they know anything about our policies, candidates or even how our government works? They don't know the first thing about government.
So what we end up is with tens of millions of people who vote, but have no idea WTF they're even voting on. The only knowledge they were given is Republicans are for the rich people and Democrats for the poor. Who told them that? The Democrats.
As I have posted, a lot of states do not do signature matches. Yes, that opens the door to much more fraud, especially in states that sent ballots to everybody whether they wanted one or not. In person, the worker looks at your signature and does match it to your last one. You have to show ID. You actually have to prove who you are and you are indeed a legal voter.