Cringe discussion of DEI on The Chris Wallace Show

[Curried Goats]

Charles Murray and Richard Herrnstein mention that in The Bell Curve. It is called "the Flynn Effect." Although scores go up, the race gap persists.

The Flynn Effect occurs when old IQ tests are given again. I attribute the Flynn Effect to the fact that the first tests had questions that measured knowledge an intelligent person should be expected to have. For example, one question was about who Copernicus was.

New IQ tests have been developed that require no knowledge of reading, no knowledge of mathematics, and that can be explained without the use of English. A space alien could take one of those tests. I am confident the space alien would get a perfect score in record time.

If IQs keep going up that is a pretty good indication that environment is playing a key role you dumb Bingo.

 

[Hector12]

What about a bank who doesn't want to risk lending to black people. Should that be allowed?

Blacks are more likely to default on loans, so I would say it should be allowed. I would rather banks evaluate potential debtors on individual characteristics rather than race, but that is up to the banks.

A bank which refuses to loan money to all blacks will lose good customers to banks who loan money to good black credit risks.

 

[Hector12]

If IQs keep going up that is a pretty good indication that environment is playing a key role you dumb Bingo.

If you read my previous comment with good comprehension you would know that even with the Flynn Effect the race gap persists.

 

[DGS49]

Banks and other institutions should prohibit the mention of race in all official documents, especially loan applications. As a wise Supreme Justice once noted, the only way to stop racial discrimination is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.

 

[Curried Goats]

If you read my previous comment with good comprehension you would know that even with the Flynn Effect the race gap persists.

Have the socio-economic inequalities that exist between whites and blacks persisted?

 

[DGS49]

Unless you understand the Bell Curve (the measurement tool, not the book) and IQ, you cannot grasp the difficulty/futility of "eliminating inequality."

Blacks have an average IQ that is a full standard deviation below that of "whites." That is a monumental factor in tracking the path to the middle class.

As a general proposition, it takes an IQ of at least 130 to enter into any real "profession" (architect, lawyer, CPA, medical doctor). An IQ of 130 makes you two standard deviations above the mean, so in a group of a thousand "white" aspirants, only about 5% will have adequate intelligence. But for Blacks, that 130 IQ is THREE standard deviations above their mean. Accordingly, of a thousand Black aspirants, only 3 will have adequate intelligence.

Imagine that it takes an IQ of, say, 125 to become a commercial airline pilot. Imagine that an airline says that they are going to have as many Black pilots in ten years as they. have "white" pilots. This is NOT POSSIBLE without lowering the intellectual standard.

Fly much?

 

[Curried Goats]

Unless you understand the Bell Curve (the measurement tool, not the book) and IQ, you cannot grasp the difficulty/futility of "eliminating inequality."

Blacks have an average IQ that is a full standard deviation below that of "whites." That is a monumental factor in tracking the path to the middle class.

As a general proposition, it takes an IQ of at least 130 to enter into any real "profession" (architect, lawyer, CPA, medical doctor). An IQ of 130 makes you two standard deviations above the mean, so in a group of a thousand "white" aspirants, only about 5% will have adequate intelligence. But for Blacks, that 130 IQ is THREE standard deviations above their mean. Accordingly, of a thousand Black aspirants, only 3 will have adequate intelligence.

Imagine that it takes an IQ of, say, 125 to become a commercial airline pilot. Imagine that an airline says that they are going to have as many Black pilots in ten years as they. have "white" pilots. This is NOT POSSIBLE without lowering the intellectual standard.

Fly much?

Again, the average IQ of blacks today is the same as the "greatest generation" of whites. Were the whites of the greatest generation incapable pilots? Is that what you're claiming?

 

[Hector12]

Have the socio-economic inequalities that exist between whites and blacks persisted?

Yes. They have persisted because IQ differences have persisted.

 

[Hector12]

Again, the average IQ of blacks today is the same as the "greatest generation" of whites. Were the whites of the greatest generation incapable pilots? Is that what you're claiming?

That is a characteristic of old tests, rather than intrinsic intelligence differences. On modern and more accurate tests there is still a wide race gap.

 

[Curried Goats]

Yes. They have persisted because IQ differences have persisted.

So it's your argument that IQ differences are the cause of socio-economic disparity and not slavery and segregation?

 

[Hector12]

So it's your argument that IQ differences are the cause of socio-economic disparity and not slavery and segregation?

Yes. Income and IQ effect each other, but IQ has more effect. A child's IQ tested at the age of seven has more of an effect on adult earning than family income.

 

[Curried Goats]

Yes. Income and IQ effect each other, but IQ has more effect. A child's IQ tested at the age of seven has more of an effect on adult earning than family income.

Ok. What kind of an effect? Correlation or causation?

 

[Hector12]

Ok. What kind of an effect? Correlation or causation?

A low IQ prevents someone from earning a good income, unless the person has exceptional athletic ability. Careers in professional athletics rarely last form more than a few years.

 

[tshrimp]

Have the socio-economic inequalities that exist between whites and blacks persisted?

Absolutely. One of the main factor for being successful here, is having a stable nuclear family. We need to start focusing on 2 parent family homes where the father is present. And also get the graduation rate up so this gap can be closed.

 

[Lisa558]

A low IQ prevents someone from earning a good income, unless the person has exceptional athletic ability. Careers in professional athletics rarely last form more than a few years.

Quarterbacks can last at least 15 years, but quarterbacks tend to be more intelligent.

 

[Hector12]

Quarterbacks can last at least 15 years, but quarterbacks tend to be more intelligent.

One time a black Olympic athlete who had become a college professor appeared on William Buckley's Firing Line. He said that the average career in professional athletics lasts four years. When it is over the athlete is destitute.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Apparently Meister and those with a similar mindset don't want equality and fairness.

Equality and fairness are different, they're not the same.

 

[Lisa558]

One time a black Olympic athlete who had become a college professor appeared on William Buckley's Firing Line. He said that the average career in professional athletics lasts four years. When it is over the athlete is destitute.

If some dude is earning a million a year for four years, let’s say that $800,000 after taxes. He can live on $100,000 and buy $700,000 worth of CDs each year, which pay $35,000. Four years of doing that, and his CDs are throwing off $140,000 a year.

Conversely, he can put HALF that amount in CD’s to pay out $70,000 a year, and with the other HALF in savings ($1,400,000) buy a franchise or start a business.

Or, he can take HALF and buy two houses for cash, and then rent them out for $3,500 a month, or $7,000 total.

Lots of options. I don’t see the problem.

 

[Lisa558]

Equality and fairness are different, they're not the same.

We need to define “equality.” Not everyone is equal to everyone else. Some are more intelligent. Some more conscientious. Some more motivated. Some more disciplined. Some more talented.

 

[Hector12]

If some dude is earning a million a year for four years, let’s say that $800,000 after taxes. He can live on $100,000 and buy $700,000 worth of CDs each year, which pay $35,000. Four years of doing that, and his CDs are throwing off $140,000 a year.

Conversely, he can put HALF that amount in CD’s to pay out $70,000 a year, and with the other HALF in savings ($1,400,000) buy a franchise or start a business.

Or, he can take HALF and buy two houses for cash, and then rent them out for $3,500 a month, or $7,000 total.

Lots of options. I don’t see the problem.

The problem is his low IQ. People with low IQ's rarely consider the future.