"Coup" in Venezuela ends in disaster

[Olde Europe]

Only those that support Putin wish to bring more proxy-wars in our part of the world would support Maduro right to be a dictator...

Really? Kind of looks to me like Putin just told his tool Trump how it was going to be, and we've backed down.

Kind of dumb for the Coup Plotters to have trusted us, but sucks to be them.

You actually give that load of crap a pass? Like, Putin brought "proxy wars"? When did that happen? And, "in our part of the world"? In UpIsDownistan, the bully merely protects his property following some continent-wide Stand-Your-Ground law no one else can see.

I would venture a guess that none of the "Coup Plotters" actually "trusted" the U.S. of A. And why would they?

The irony of ironies in this case may very well be that their being anxious not to be seen doing the U.S.'s bidding may have dissuaded many of the top military brass from joining the insurgency.

Remember the man Trump named "U.S. Envoy to Venezuela"? Remember the most honorable and sincere Mr. Elliott Abrams? ... and they say, the Goddess of History doesn't have a sense of humor.

 

[Rambunctious]

This is close to home folks....if that nation blows up we will have a massive immigration crises to deal with...What happens in Valenzuela is more important than what happens in Syria at this point in time....
And its more important than what Barr said about Mueller's stupid witch hunt report....

So Trump fucked this up, and now you are worried about the consequences? Really?

What did Trump do?......it seems to me Venezuela was lost under Obama's do nothing regime....Maduro took over while the Magic Kenyan played golf....and flew around on Air Force One....dummy

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Maduro has stated that what occur the other day is NOT going to go unpunished.

Maduro has to be very careful. If he starts committing atrocities, the U.S. will intervene and then that will be the end of his regime. I'm sure he and the Russians are aware of this. Maduro's best chance is to push back against the protesters with non-lethal means, as he has been doing.

I'm curious as to what a coordinate, military response by the U.S., Colombia and Brazil might look like. If the U.S. is obligated to intervene, this American wants the Colombians, Brazilians and possibly others to be there with us.

I can envision a scenario where American units go in and wherein Maduro is basically a hostage in a compound, refusing to surrender. Meanwhile, outside, the Venezuelan military decides they're not going to surrender their lives for a two-bit dictator that is likely to flee to Russia, etc. Meanwhile, and regardless of what Maduro does, Venezuela begins anew with new leadership.

The U.S. is NOT going to tolerate Maduro and his collection of international goons for much longer. He should get while the getting is good. Take some gold and fly to Cuba and retire on the beach. Or, get obliterated by a bunker buster.

Trump´s international goons have already realized that Maduro is staying. How about the war mongers? What army is going to intervene?

Maduro's only hope is to try to get safe haven from Soros so he can join in the 2020 democrat candidate Clown Car

And here is his ad!

Maduro/Biden or Biden/Maduro?

 

[JoeB131]

This is where you're emotional and stupid. I'm predicting what Trump is going to do. I never said that I support an invasion of Venezuela.

And while we're at it, since you are obviously unaware, the Colombians cannot stand the leadership of Venezuela. I will also inform you that the majority of Venezuelans cannot stand the leadership of Venezuela.

Yes, you guys tell yourselves that, but the Chaveistas keep winning. I wonder why that is?

As for the legitimacy of Maduro's 2018 election "win", that is in great doubt.

No, Trump's win is in doubt. Maduro, not so much.

Why do liberals like you consistently align yourselves with the most corrupt, despotic regimes?

Um, no, again, you guys on the right supported Marcos, Somoza, Baby Doc, Pinochet, the Shah, the House of Saud... well, the list could go on.

One million Venezuelan refugees in Colombia...and counting. And JoeB131 thinks the Venezuelans love Maduro.

Again, the problem here is that we've been making economic war on the place since 2001... when Chavez was first elected. Kind of like if someone broke your leg and then told you to stand on your own two feet. The height of Chutzpah.

 

[JoeB131]

What did Trump do?......it seems to me Venezuela was lost under Obama's do nothing regime....Maduro took over while the Magic Kenyan played golf....and flew around on Air Force One....dummy

Actually, we lost Venezuela when the people voted for Chavez.... Maduro is just his understudy. I blame Obama as well, he engaged in the same kind of regime change BS the Republicans do.

What we really need is a foreign policy that is kind of like Star Trek's Prime Directive. No interference in the internal affairs of others.

 

[Rambunctious]

Actually, we lost Venezuela when the people voted for Chavez.... Maduro is just his understudy. I blame Obama as well, he engaged in the same kind of regime change BS the Republicans do.

What we really need is a foreign policy that is kind of like Star Trek's Prime Directive. No interference in the internal affairs of others.

Star Trek was a TV show....in reality we live on one tiny planet with borders and customs and wants and desires....and what many nations want and desire is to see our superior way of life fail...we must stand up against that....from time to time there are nations willing to test us...I don't like it but its reality....Obama did nothing....no one will convince me that Obama didn't want Venezuela to turn socialist...Obama wanted Maduro in power.....lets be real....

 

[cnm]

and what many nations want and desire is to see our superior way of life fail...we must stand up against that

Poor widdle victims...

 

[caddo kid]

This is simply ludicrous. What´s next? A Guaido ghost army?
It was what Guaido described as the "Final stage" of his pathetic "Operation Freedom" and he demanded uprisings and takeovers everywhere in the country.







Venezuelan Military Putsch Defeated as Leopoldo Lopez Takes Refuge in Spanish Embassy

What makes you think that Millions of folks whose votes were cancelled are gonna give up?

how is that coup down there in Venezuela going? And where is that big boi Guaido? He doesn't seem to be such a macho man.
Maybe Guaido can garduate to being a real leader, instead of a wannaB coup leader.

 

[flacaltenn]

This is simply ludicrous. What´s next? A Guaido ghost army?
It was what Guaido described as the "Final stage" of his pathetic "Operation Freedom" and he demanded uprisings and takeovers everywhere in the country.







Venezuelan Military Putsch Defeated as Leopoldo Lopez Takes Refuge in Spanish Embassy

What makes you think that Millions of folks whose votes were cancelled are gonna give up?

They don´t even exist. Watch the video and tell me where exactly those millions are.

You do realize that Maduro annulled the last election and is serving unlawfully -- right? So the MILLIONS are the people that do not WANT a dictator not subject to democratic election...

Maduro was under RECALL threat from his low popularity.. Pressured the Election Council to CANCEL the recall election.. Instead he moved an election scheduled for December 2018 up to MAY to prevent opposition candidates from campaigning.. Many dropped out.. Turn-out was the lowest in recent history.. MANY countries didn't recognize the results....

Why are you a FAN of dictators??

Untrue.
Guaido failed to call elections within 30 days. This was his only duty as interim President.

What's untrue? Maduro couldn't survive until a December election.. He STOPPED the recall election and changed the December date to May.. Giving NO TIME for campaigning to his opposition.. Lowest turn-out in recent history and rigged.. All true...

And you're complaining about holding an HONEST ELECTION when Maduro still holds all the guns and police? And the oil money he's taken... He's a dictator and a crook.. Like his predecessor...

And you LOVE him apparently... Like you do MOST dictators that are abusing their citizenry....

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Pretty amazing that some here appear to be on Maduro's side on this.

Not surprising, really, but amazing.

He is on team regressive, they are on team regressive.

It's a natural fit.

 

[Bleipriester]

This is simply ludicrous. What´s next? A Guaido ghost army?
It was what Guaido described as the "Final stage" of his pathetic "Operation Freedom" and he demanded uprisings and takeovers everywhere in the country.







Venezuelan Military Putsch Defeated as Leopoldo Lopez Takes Refuge in Spanish Embassy

What makes you think that Millions of folks whose votes were cancelled are gonna give up?

They don´t even exist. Watch the video and tell me where exactly those millions are.

You do realize that Maduro annulled the last election and is serving unlawfully -- right? So the MILLIONS are the people that do not WANT a dictator not subject to democratic election...

Maduro was under RECALL threat from his low popularity.. Pressured the Election Council to CANCEL the recall election.. Instead he moved an election scheduled for December 2018 up to MAY to prevent opposition candidates from campaigning.. Many dropped out.. Turn-out was the lowest in recent history.. MANY countries didn't recognize the results....

Why are you a FAN of dictators??

Untrue.
Guaido failed to call elections within 30 days. This was his only duty as interim President.

What's untrue? Maduro couldn't survive until a December election.. He STOPPED the recall election and changed the December date to May.. Giving NO TIME for campaigning to his opposition.. Lowest turn-out in recent history and rigged.. All true...

And you're complaining about holding an HONEST ELECTION when Maduro still holds all the guns and police? And the oil money he's taken... He's a dictator and a crook.. Like his predecessor...

And you LOVE him apparently... Like you do MOST dictators that are abusing their citizenry....

Big nonsense. The MUD, your opposition, did not partake in the elections. If your gov would think they can win with elections, they would have run.

 

[JoeB131]

Star Trek was a TV show....in reality we live on one tiny planet with borders and customs and wants and desires....and what many nations want and desire is to see our superior way of life fail...we must stand up against that....from time to time there are nations willing to test us...I don't like it but its reality....Obama did nothing....no one will convince me that Obama didn't want Venezuela to turn socialist...Obama wanted Maduro in power.....lets be real....

In reality- Venezuela isn't a threat to us, it's really none of our business what kind of government they want. The problem is we look at Latin America as our own personal empire, and they are pretty sick of it, and who can blame them?

Obama didn't do the ass-poundingly stupid shit like inciting coups like Trump and Bush did, but he still kept on sanctions... that's the problem.

 

[JoeB131]

He is on team regressive, they are on team regressive.

It's a natural fit.

Again, when you and Vichy Mac sign up to join the military and fight these "progressive" wars to liberate the Oil, then I will take you seriously.

Fuck, I bet if we had a draft, and people you cared about were the ones potentially coming home in boxes, you'd suddenly be all for peace and non-intervention.

What's untrue? Maduro couldn't survive until a December election.. He STOPPED the recall election and changed the December date to May.. Giving NO TIME for campaigning to his opposition.. Lowest turn-out in recent history and rigged.. All true...

when do we have a recall election for Trump?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Star Trek was a TV show....in reality we live on one tiny planet with borders and customs and wants and desires....and what many nations want and desire is to see our superior way of life fail...we must stand up against that....from time to time there are nations willing to test us...I don't like it but its reality....Obama did nothing....no one will convince me that Obama didn't want Venezuela to turn socialist...Obama wanted Maduro in power.....lets be real....

In reality- Venezuela isn't a threat to us, it's really none of our business what kind of government they want. The problem is we look at Latin America as our own personal empire, and they are pretty sick of it, and who can blame them?

Obama didn't do the ass-poundingly stupid shit like inciting coups like Trump and Bush did, but he still kept on sanctions... that's the problem.

The fuck he didn't! Jihadist Obama relocated his brothers in Jihad to the USA, gave Iran $150 Billion (could build 20 walls with that) formed and armed ISIS and gave them all the real estate from Aleppo to Baghdad

 

[CrusaderFrank]

He is on team regressive, they are on team regressive.

It's a natural fit.

Again, when you and Vichy Mac sign up to join the military and fight these "progressive" wars to liberate the Oil, then I will take you seriously.

Fuck, I bet if we had a draft, and people you cared about were the ones potentially coming home in boxes, you'd suddenly be all for peace and non-intervention.

What's untrue? Maduro couldn't survive until a December election.. He STOPPED the recall election and changed the December date to May.. Giving NO TIME for campaigning to his opposition.. Lowest turn-out in recent history and rigged.. All true...

when do we have a recall election for Trump?

Lolz

 

[JoeB131]

The fuck he didn't! Jihadist Obama relocated his brothers in Jihad to the USA, gave Iran $150 Billion (could build 20 walls with that) formed and armed ISIS and gave them all the real estate from Aleppo to Baghdad

Wow, he did all that?

Well, lets' start with the obvious that we were talking about Venezuela and not Iran and Iraq.

Second, that 150 Billion was rightfully Iran's money/assets we had illegally been holding on to since the 1970's.

Third, ISIS formed because Bush toppled Saddam. Let's put the blame where it belongs. Petreaus was paying the Sunnis to play nice, and then the Shi'ites cut off their money.

Now, Obama did do a lot of the dumb shit, like invading Libya, supporting the coup in Ukraine, and other "Sticking our noses in other people's bizness" we need to knock the fuck off.

 

[Mac1958]

Pretty amazing that some here appear to be on Maduro's side on this. Not surprising, really, but amazing.

He is on team regressive, they are on team regressive.
It's a natural fit.

True. Illiberal leftist authoritarians just sticking together.
.

 

[Likkmee]

What makes you think that Millions of folks whose votes were cancelled are gonna give up?

Well, Americans obviously have...

Ignoring the crowing from the Syrian Propaganda Ministry, our problem with Venezuela has been they picked a form of government that we didn't like, have confirmed it several times through elections, and we've done everything we can to undermine it, from supporting coups to waging economic war on them.

Maduro has to be very careful. If he starts committing atrocities, the U.S. will intervene and then that will be the end of his regime. I'm sure he and the Russians are aware of this. Maduro's best chance is to push back against the protesters with non-lethal means, as he has been doing.

Tell you what, why don't you march down to a recruiting station and sign up for the military, instead of having some poor kid do it.

I'm curious as to what a coordinate, military response by the U.S., Colombia and Brazil might look like. If the U.S. is obligated to intervene, this American wants the Colombians, Brazilians and possibly others to be there with us.

Why would we be "obligated" to intervene in an internal matter (that we largely caused by encouraging the Coup Plotters to start with?) The thing is, the last thing Columbia and Brazil want is to go back to the bad old days when the Gringos invaded countries.

I can envision a scenario where American units go in and wherein Maduro is basically a hostage in a compound, refusing to surrender. Meanwhile, outside, the Venezuelan military decides they're not going to surrender their lives for a two-bit dictator that is likely to flee to Russia, etc. Meanwhile, and regardless of what Maduro does, Venezuela begins anew with new leadership.

Really, with what? Right now, the US only has 11 active duty army divisions, half of them deployed around the world. Where are we going to find the troops to go in.

The one thing that would unite the Venezuelan people is a foreign invasion...

Here's a plan. Have Trump go ahead and tweet on a bunch of unrelated subjects, mock a few celebrities, and distract attention from just how badly Pompeo and Bolton fucked this up.

For the youth I recommend getting " bone spurz"

 

[Bleipriester]

This is simply ludicrous. What´s next? A Guaido ghost army?
It was what Guaido described as the "Final stage" of his pathetic "Operation Freedom" and he demanded uprisings and takeovers everywhere in the country.







Venezuelan Military Putsch Defeated as Leopoldo Lopez Takes Refuge in Spanish Embassy

What makes you think that Millions of folks whose votes were cancelled are gonna give up?

IF they do not have the Military to support them they should not attempt another situation, because they will start slaughtering them. Maduro has stated that what occur the other day is NOT going to go unpunished.

He's a complete psychopath if he thinks thousands of dead protesters is gonna make him invincible.. Only took a couple martyrs in Tianamen Square to change that regimes' outlook on public protests..

The pressure would be immense and immediate. Not like the "slow boil" that consumed Syria.. Because the CIVILIANS were not the primary sources of revolt..

Yes I know but we are not dealing with a RATIONAL man are we and YES I DO think HE thinks he IS invincible. This thing was already ugly the other day, there were multiple reports from eye witness accounts that TANKS on the streets were running over and murdering via tank. So he does NOT care what he does or what ANY outside entity thinks and it's going to get more ugly.

Of course the situation in Venezuela can not go on, it must have some type of ending, but the one's who want to remove Maduro are going to have to have a different MO, they are going to have to rethink a different strategy.

 

[Harry Dresden]

He is on team regressive, they are on team regressive.

It's a natural fit.

Again, when you and Vichy Mac sign up to join the military and fight these "progressive" wars to liberate the Oil, then I will take you seriously.

Fuck, I bet if we had a draft, and people you cared about were the ones potentially coming home in boxes, you'd suddenly be all for peace and non-intervention.

What's untrue? Maduro couldn't survive until a December election.. He STOPPED the recall election and changed the December date to May.. Giving NO TIME for campaigning to his opposition.. Lowest turn-out in recent history and rigged.. All true...

when do we have a recall election for Trump?

kind of late for that....