Cost of Illegal Immigration, By State

There are two sides to every accounting ledger. Can you cite the figures for the credit side of the ledger on the issue of undocumented workers?

Well, they do pay a bit in sales taxes.
and property tax if they own a home, or they pay the property tax of their landlord's in their rent payment....and if one of the DACA or a legal card holding immigrant, they pay both federal and state income taxes (and payroll taxes I believe?) ....plus they buy lottery tickets, and they pay tobacco/cigarette taxes both federal and state and liquor taxes....sin taxes, and if they drive they pay gas taxes both federal and state,,,,

and property tax if they own a home,

Illegal aliens buy homes with stolen Social Security numbers?

Give them all the boot.
you do not need a social security number to buy a home....just ask the Russians paying double the fair market values for Trump properties, or the japanese when they were buying up American real estate in the 80's/90's....and several of my Australian customers also own summer homes in California...

And yes, illegals do own homes here...
 
There are two sides to every accounting ledger. Can you cite the figures for the credit side of the ledger on the issue of undocumented workers?

Well, they do pay a bit in sales taxes.

They also produce more work for less money - and employers are spared the expenses of health insurance and unemployment taxes.

Then, when the undocumented goes to the hospital for routine health care, they are charged more as a cash customer than the guy with insurance (whose insurance company negotiates charges.)

The biggest net gain I see is that if you pay a Mexican crew $10,000 for a home improvement job and save half, not only is your house going to be worth more (so your assets are much higher for each dollar spent), but the banks can loan out FOUR TIMES the amount on their books. So, your remodel job generated $40,000 worth of money to be loaned out and you only spent $10,000. Had you let an over-priced, USDA approved, background checked, insured, licensed, bonded, American do the job, it would have cost you twice as much, generated only half what the Mexican crew did to be loaned out by the bank... and worse... worse... all that capital that could have been generated by the Mexican crew is wasted on the American who takes his money, runs to the stores and blows it on crap made in China, Mexico, Japan, Korea, and Viet Nam.

And there is more...
Slave Labour.
 
Both sides are equally guilty of demagoguing the issue. Guess you missed the post inferring that all the undocumented foreigners were using stolen (sic) Social Security Numbers. Honesty works both ways - and that comes from someone that has NEVER been on the left.

Guess you missed the post inferring that all the undocumented foreigners were using stolen (sic) Social Security Numbers.

Not all of them, some of them are working for cash.

And they're not undocumented foreigners, they're illegal aliens.


More of your idiocy that has helped destroy the Republic. A person is not an illegal any damn thing until they've been arrested, booked, jailed, made bail, went to the appropriate hearings, went through discovery, gone to trial, been found guilty of a crime and sentenced.

Your strategies have sent many of your own to jails and prisons - and some people from your own side have been murdered by LEOs because you cannot comprehend the importance of a presumption of innocence / innocent until proven guilty.

A person is not an illegal any damn thing until they've been arrested, booked, jailed, made bail, went to the appropriate hearings, went through discovery, gone to trial, been found guilty of a crime and sentenced.

Bullshit.
An alien who enters the country illegally or who overstays their visa is an illegal alien.
Whether we know about them or not.

Spread your communist bullshit thick and one day when it's your ass on the line with nobody to respect your Rights, get back to me.

"An avidity to punish is always dangerous to liberty. It leads men to stretch, to misinterpret, and to misapply even the best of laws. He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." THOMAS PAINE.

Defending our borders isn't communist bullshit.

There is a difference between defending borders and erecting a complete POLICE STATE.
 
Well, I guess that we should get rid of the riff-raff;

"As a DACA* student, Maria had to overcome insurmountable odds to pursue her education. A graduate from the Master's of Fine Arts Program at Yale University, she now teaches at the prestigious Pratt Institute in New York. Maria also plans to pursue a doctorate. Read her amazing story at http://www.myamericandreams.org/maria...

Wow! Cool!

Let's deport all the illegal aliens who didn't graduate from Yale.

Including the ones from Canada, or just the brown ones? Maybe, we should round them up, and put them into a camp, and make them wear a yellow "D" on the clothing, while we figure out a final solution.

Including the ones from Canada, or just the brown ones?

All of them. Even the Irish ones, the Polish ones and the Chinese ones....all of the illegal aliens.

Maybe, we should round them up, and put them into a camp, and make them wear a yellow "D" on the clothing, while we figure out a final solution.

The solution is to build a wall and send them all home.

The solution is to put people like you into prison for treason.
 
There are two sides to every accounting ledger. Can you cite the figures for the credit side of the ledger on the issue of undocumented workers?

Well, they do pay a bit in sales taxes.

They also produce more work for less money - and employers are spared the expenses of health insurance and unemployment taxes.

Then, when the undocumented goes to the hospital for routine health care, they are charged more as a cash customer than the guy with insurance (whose insurance company negotiates charges.)

The biggest net gain I see is that if you pay a Mexican crew $10,000 for a home improvement job and save half, not only is your house going to be worth more (so your assets are much higher for each dollar spent), but the banks can loan out FOUR TIMES the amount on their books. So, your remodel job generated $40,000 worth of money to be loaned out and you only spent $10,000. Had you let an over-priced, USDA approved, background checked, insured, licensed, bonded, American do the job, it would have cost you twice as much, generated only half what the Mexican crew did to be loaned out by the bank... and worse... worse... all that capital that could have been generated by the Mexican crew is wasted on the American who takes his money, runs to the stores and blows it on crap made in China, Mexico, Japan, Korea, and Viet Nam.

And there is more...
Slave Labour.

Americans are creating the "Slave Labour." Let's face it. The average American sits on their ass playing on the computer. They feed their bodies with junk food, booze, drugs (both legal and illegal), screw up their bodies with multiple body piercings and tattoos and a lot of them post 20, 30, 40, 50 THOUSAND or more posts on discussion boards (not to mention other social media.)

They are out of shape, can't show up for work, many don't even bother looking (it interferes with their social media interests.) Those people are not entrepreneurial; Hell they think an employer owes them a job simply because they were born on U.S. soil.

Taxpayers pay for every person in the United States to go to school and get a high school diploma. Yet most of the people bitching and wailing about so - called "illegal aliens" NEVER availed themselves of that free education. Lots of them still live with mommy, living off her paycheck while they hide behind their keyboards, picking Internet fights and complaining about people willing to work to feed their families.

The best you can do for "solutions" is to force yourself onto the employer who busted his ass to build a business and make them hire you??? Not once has the anti-immigrant lobby acknowledged that the private employer owns the job he / she creates and should be able to give it to whomever they damn well please.

When someone takes the time to tell you how to rectify this situation without walls, without mass deportations, and without your precious POLICE STATE that makes George Orwell's 1984 pale by comparison, what does the anti-immigrant lobby do?

You could give Americans dibs on all those jobs you think "illegal aliens" as you call them are stealing (sic.) You could have wages increased... most of those wailing right now could get a good job (someone keeps deleting my posts that explain how that it is legally accomplished.)

At the end of the day this is really a war of genocide with the trimmings of respectability by falsely accusing people of being "illegal aliens" with NO REGARD for the concept of innocent until proven guilty / presumption of innocence. You would FORCE someone to give you something you did not earn and complain about what the person owning the job pays? Just to be clear: You want the ability to steal a job from an employer and force them to pay you what you think is the proper wages?
 
More of your idiocy that has helped destroy the Republic. A person is not an illegal any damn thing until they've been arrested, booked, jailed, made bail, went to the appropriate hearings, went through discovery, gone to trial, been found guilty of a crime and sentenced.
Explain Expedited Removal which requires none of that and is a recorded Federal Misdemeanor. SHRUG

Your strategies have sent many of your own to jails and prisons - and some people from your own side have been murdered by LEOs because you cannot comprehend the importance of a presumption of innocence / innocent until proven guilty.
What immigration laws are used against US Citizens? SMFH

I have explained this many times. In fact, I have explained it to you, but you are a slow learner. Expedited removal only applies to those who waive their right to a hearing and trial. If they refuse to do that, then they must be given their day in court. I am sure that this just rips the heart out of Trumpettes, but that damned Constitution just keeps getting in your way.
LMFAO And your explanation, as has been explained to you numerous times and to which I have given cite showing your utter ignorance numerous times , shows you don't know what you are talking about.

Undocumented Immigrants Who Entered the U.S. Less Than Two Years Ago

Any undocumented immigrant who entered the U.S. unlawfully may be placed into expedited removal proceedings unless the person can demonstrate to immigration authorities that he or she has been continuously present in the United States for at least two years preceding the encounter. Expedited removal was expanded by the Trump Administration to include immigrants who are apprehended anywhere in the United States.

DHS previously used expedited removal procedures only for people found less than 100 miles from the border from either Mexico or Canada and who had illegally entered within 14 days or less. See "Expedited Removal No Longer Just a Border Procedure, Says DHS Memo" for more information about these recent changes.
When Expedited Removal Allows Deportation Without a Hearing
 
Last edited:
Well, I guess that we should get rid of the riff-raff;

"As a DACA* student, Maria had to overcome insurmountable odds to pursue her education. A graduate from the Master's of Fine Arts Program at Yale University, she now teaches at the prestigious Pratt Institute in New York. Maria also plans to pursue a doctorate. Read her amazing story at http://www.myamericandreams.org/maria...

Wow! Cool!

Let's deport all the illegal aliens who didn't graduate from Yale.

Including the ones from Canada, or just the brown ones? Maybe, we should round them up, and put them into a camp, and make them wear a yellow "D" on the clothing, while we figure out a final solution.

Including the ones from Canada, or just the brown ones?

All of them. Even the Irish ones, the Polish ones and the Chinese ones....all of the illegal aliens.

Maybe, we should round them up, and put them into a camp, and make them wear a yellow "D" on the clothing, while we figure out a final solution.

The solution is to build a wall and send them all home.

I am spellbound as to how sincerely you people believe that ruining someone else's life will make yours better. It is an obsession that I just can't grasp. One thing I know for sure is that if it wasn't for the immigrants, it would be the Native Americans, or the blacks, or the brown citizens, or the Muslims, or the poor in the ghetto, or the old and disabled, or atheists, or unmarried mothers, or those collecting unemployment, or live in section 8 housing, or on food stamps, who make your life so unbearable that they simply must be harshly dealt with.
Ahhhhh, look at you trying to project on to others. You don't seem to know much of anything. tsk, tsk
 
Well, I guess that we should get rid of the riff-raff;

"As a DACA* student, Maria had to overcome insurmountable odds to pursue her education. A graduate from the Master's of Fine Arts Program at Yale University, she now teaches at the prestigious Pratt Institute in New York. Maria also plans to pursue a doctorate. Read her amazing story at http://www.myamericandreams.org/maria...

Wow! Cool!

Let's deport all the illegal aliens who didn't graduate from Yale.

Including the ones from Canada, or just the brown ones? Maybe, we should round them up, and put them into a camp, and make them wear a yellow "D" on the clothing, while we figure out a final solution.

Including the ones from Canada, or just the brown ones?

All of them. Even the Irish ones, the Polish ones and the Chinese ones....all of the illegal aliens.

Maybe, we should round them up, and put them into a camp, and make them wear a yellow "D" on the clothing, while we figure out a final solution.

The solution is to build a wall and send them all home.

The solution is to put people like you into prison for treason.
What do we do with Sovereign Citizen idiots, since they don't comprehend the very document they claim they know all about? Mental ward? Slow ship to China?
 
map.png


Map doesn't include federal costs.

From NEW MAP: Cost of Illegal Immigration, By State
fallacy of false cause? capitalism doesn't care about legal status, only socialists do.
 
`
This garbage article as put out by Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), hyperbolic anti-immigration organization. Their methodology is skewed.

The Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) along with the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS), Numbers USA and a total of maybe a dozen related anti-immigration non-profit groups were all founded / co-founded by John Tanton. Tanton bankrolls them as well. Tanton is a white racialist that believes in eugenics AND provided David Duke (the Ku Klux Klan leader of the time) his talking points when Duke began the "Border Watch" program.

The information being provided by those organizations is not genuine research, but rather political propaganda that cannot withstand serious academic scrutiny. Still, knowing that, then anti-immigrant lobby ignores non-partisan studies and continues to post the propaganda of racist organizations while denying that it is what it is.
 
More of your idiocy that has helped destroy the Republic. A person is not an illegal any damn thing until they've been arrested, booked, jailed, made bail, went to the appropriate hearings, went through discovery, gone to trial, been found guilty of a crime and sentenced.
Explain Expedited Removal which requires none of that and is a recorded Federal Misdemeanor. SHRUG

Your strategies have sent many of your own to jails and prisons - and some people from your own side have been murdered by LEOs because you cannot comprehend the importance of a presumption of innocence / innocent until proven guilty.
What immigration laws are used against US Citizens? SMFH

I have explained this many times. In fact, I have explained it to you, but you are a slow learner. Expedited removal only applies to those who waive their right to a hearing and trial. If they refuse to do that, then they must be given their day in court. I am sure that this just rips the heart out of Trumpettes, but that damned Constitution just keeps getting in your way.
LMFAO And your explanation, as has been explained to you numerous times and to which I have given cite showing your utter ignorance numerous times , shows you don't know what you are talking about.

Undocumented Immigrants Who Entered the U.S. Less Than Two Years Ago

Any undocumented immigrant who entered the U.S. unlawfully may be placed into expedited removal proceedings unless the person can demonstrate to immigration authorities that he or she has been continuously present in the United States for at least two years preceding the encounter. Expedited removal was expanded by the Trump Administration to include immigrants who are apprehended anywhere in the United States.

DHS previously used expedited removal procedures only for people found less than 100 miles from the border from either Mexico or Canada and who had illegally entered within 14 days or less. See "Expedited Removal No Longer Just a Border Procedure, Says DHS Memo" for more information about these recent changes.
When Expedited Removal Allows Deportation Without a Hearing

Totally false. ER may only be used if the suspect waives his right to a hearing. It is even written directly into the law, but frankly, I am tired of having to dig it up for the benefit of those that know nothing about law. In fact, if Mr. Border Patrol picks up Juan and wants to deport him, and Juan refused to say what country he came from, the feds would be hard pressed to decide to what country he should be deported, without a trial. I understand that all Latinos look alike to you, but Mexico does not consider itself a dumping ground for all Spanish speaking undocumenteds
 
Well, I guess that we should get rid of the riff-raff;

"As a DACA* student, Maria had to overcome insurmountable odds to pursue her education. A graduate from the Master's of Fine Arts Program at Yale University, she now teaches at the prestigious Pratt Institute in New York. Maria also plans to pursue a doctorate. Read her amazing story at http://www.myamericandreams.org/maria...

Wow! Cool!

Let's deport all the illegal aliens who didn't graduate from Yale.

Including the ones from Canada, or just the brown ones? Maybe, we should round them up, and put them into a camp, and make them wear a yellow "D" on the clothing, while we figure out a final solution.

Including the ones from Canada, or just the brown ones?

All of them. Even the Irish ones, the Polish ones and the Chinese ones....all of the illegal aliens.

Maybe, we should round them up, and put them into a camp, and make them wear a yellow "D" on the clothing, while we figure out a final solution.

The solution is to build a wall and send them all home.

I am spellbound as to how sincerely you people believe that ruining someone else's life will make yours better. It is an obsession that I just can't grasp. One thing I know for sure is that if it wasn't for the immigrants, it would be the Native Americans, or the blacks, or the brown citizens, or the Muslims, or the poor in the ghetto, or the old and disabled, or atheists, or unmarried mothers, or those collecting unemployment, or live in section 8 housing, or on food stamps, who make your life so unbearable that they simply must be harshly dealt with.

I am spellbound as to how sincerely you people believe that ruining someone else's life will make yours better.

How did 11 million, at least, illegal aliens make my life better?
 
Guess you missed the post inferring that all the undocumented foreigners were using stolen (sic) Social Security Numbers.

Not all of them, some of them are working for cash.

And they're not undocumented foreigners, they're illegal aliens.


More of your idiocy that has helped destroy the Republic. A person is not an illegal any damn thing until they've been arrested, booked, jailed, made bail, went to the appropriate hearings, went through discovery, gone to trial, been found guilty of a crime and sentenced.

Your strategies have sent many of your own to jails and prisons - and some people from your own side have been murdered by LEOs because you cannot comprehend the importance of a presumption of innocence / innocent until proven guilty.

A person is not an illegal any damn thing until they've been arrested, booked, jailed, made bail, went to the appropriate hearings, went through discovery, gone to trial, been found guilty of a crime and sentenced.

Bullshit.
An alien who enters the country illegally or who overstays their visa is an illegal alien.
Whether we know about them or not.

Spread your communist bullshit thick and one day when it's your ass on the line with nobody to respect your Rights, get back to me.

"An avidity to punish is always dangerous to liberty. It leads men to stretch, to misinterpret, and to misapply even the best of laws. He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." THOMAS PAINE.

Defending our borders isn't communist bullshit.

There is a difference between defending borders and erecting a complete POLICE STATE.

You don't need a police state to boot the illegal aliens. Or to build a wall.
 
Well, I guess that we should get rid of the riff-raff;

"As a DACA* student, Maria had to overcome insurmountable odds to pursue her education. A graduate from the Master's of Fine Arts Program at Yale University, she now teaches at the prestigious Pratt Institute in New York. Maria also plans to pursue a doctorate. Read her amazing story at http://www.myamericandreams.org/maria...

Wow! Cool!

Let's deport all the illegal aliens who didn't graduate from Yale.

Including the ones from Canada, or just the brown ones? Maybe, we should round them up, and put them into a camp, and make them wear a yellow "D" on the clothing, while we figure out a final solution.

Including the ones from Canada, or just the brown ones?

All of them. Even the Irish ones, the Polish ones and the Chinese ones....all of the illegal aliens.

Maybe, we should round them up, and put them into a camp, and make them wear a yellow "D" on the clothing, while we figure out a final solution.

The solution is to build a wall and send them all home.

The solution is to put people like you into prison for treason.

DERP!
 
There are two sides to every accounting ledger. Can you cite the figures for the credit side of the ledger on the issue of undocumented workers?

Well, they do pay a bit in sales taxes.

They also produce more work for less money - and employers are spared the expenses of health insurance and unemployment taxes.

Then, when the undocumented goes to the hospital for routine health care, they are charged more as a cash customer than the guy with insurance (whose insurance company negotiates charges.)

The biggest net gain I see is that if you pay a Mexican crew $10,000 for a home improvement job and save half, not only is your house going to be worth more (so your assets are much higher for each dollar spent), but the banks can loan out FOUR TIMES the amount on their books. So, your remodel job generated $40,000 worth of money to be loaned out and you only spent $10,000. Had you let an over-priced, USDA approved, background checked, insured, licensed, bonded, American do the job, it would have cost you twice as much, generated only half what the Mexican crew did to be loaned out by the bank... and worse... worse... all that capital that could have been generated by the Mexican crew is wasted on the American who takes his money, runs to the stores and blows it on crap made in China, Mexico, Japan, Korea, and Viet Nam.

And there is more...
Slave Labour.

Americans are creating the "Slave Labour." Let's face it. The average American sits on their ass playing on the computer. They feed their bodies with junk food, booze, drugs (both legal and illegal), screw up their bodies with multiple body piercings and tattoos and a lot of them post 20, 30, 40, 50 THOUSAND or more posts on discussion boards (not to mention other social media.)

They are out of shape, can't show up for work, many don't even bother looking (it interferes with their social media interests.) Those people are not entrepreneurial; Hell they think an employer owes them a job simply because they were born on U.S. soil.

Taxpayers pay for every person in the United States to go to school and get a high school diploma. Yet most of the people bitching and wailing about so - called "illegal aliens" NEVER availed themselves of that free education. Lots of them still live with mommy, living off her paycheck while they hide behind their keyboards, picking Internet fights and complaining about people willing to work to feed their families.

The best you can do for "solutions" is to force yourself onto the employer who busted his ass to build a business and make them hire you??? Not once has the anti-immigrant lobby acknowledged that the private employer owns the job he / she creates and should be able to give it to whomever they damn well please.

When someone takes the time to tell you how to rectify this situation without walls, without mass deportations, and without your precious POLICE STATE that makes George Orwell's 1984 pale by comparison, what does the anti-immigrant lobby do?

You could give Americans dibs on all those jobs you think "illegal aliens" as you call them are stealing (sic.) You could have wages increased... most of those wailing right now could get a good job (someone keeps deleting my posts that explain how that it is legally accomplished.)

At the end of the day this is really a war of genocide with the trimmings of respectability by falsely accusing people of being "illegal aliens" with NO REGARD for the concept of innocent until proven guilty / presumption of innocence. You would FORCE someone to give you something you did not earn and complain about what the person owning the job pays? Just to be clear: You want the ability to steal a job from an employer and force them to pay you what you think is the proper wages?

At the end of the day this is really a war of genocide with the trimmings of respectability by falsely accusing people of being "illegal aliens" with NO REGARD for the concept of innocent until proven guilty / presumption of innocence.

Genocide? LOL!

Sounds like you're having a really rough period this month. Eat some chocolate.
 

Forum List

Back
Top