Core Beliefs

[SavannahMann]

Yes, another pox on both their houses post.

Core Beliefs are those things that you believe and can easily defend. An example may be in order. A Christian can easily explain and discuss their beliefs. They truly believe. They do not have to consult with someone else, they believe. And nothing will shake those beliefs. Examples of it in Politics would be Ronald Reagan.

Ronald Reagan believed in Conservative Values. He believed that tax cuts were good for the country. He believed a strong defense would good for the country, and the world. Reagan could sit down and explain those beliefs with ease, because he didn't need talking points. He knew what he believed. Take the tax cuts. Reagan had a Democratic Congress. Not a Democratic House and Republican Senate. They were both controlled by Democrats. Yet he was able to get his tax cuts through this Congress that declared it dead on arrival. If you think Nancy Pelosi is a powerhouse in the House, you have no idea what it was like when Tip O'Neil was in charge. Tip controlled the House with an iron fist. This was before the days of Rush Limbaugh, and long before Fox News. Yet Reagan went and addressed the people, and got so much support he got it through the Congress to the fury of the Democrats.

Star Wars, or the Strategic Defense Initiative. Another Dead on Arrival idea of Reagan's. He had opposition from the Democrats. Opposition from some of the biggest names in the news, and science. Everyone was talking day and night about how it could never work, it would be a huge boondoggle. Yet, Reagan again went out and using those Core Beliefs, talked to the people, and told them that it did not make sense to have a gun pointed at your head, while pointing a gun at someone else's head. Reagan was a staunch anti-Communist who actually liked the Russian People. His faith in God showed him to hate the people was idiotic.

Core Beliefs are easy to see when someone has them. The problem is that no political figure has anything we would recognize as a core belief these days. They are fully in on Winning. They are completely opposed to losing. Everything else is negotiable. And in the meantime we have become the political equivalent of a High School Homecoming Football game. One side shouts go Blue. The other side shouts Go Red. If they are winning, it is because their side is cheating. If you're winning, it's because your team is better.

Take the Riots. For decades Conservatives argued about States Rights, and unwarranted Government Intrusion. The Left always argued that the Federal Government should have a larger role in the nation. Chaffing about the States Rights nonsense. Conservatives still believe in States Rights, on Abortion, but not on Guns. They believe in States Rights on Death Penalty, but not on School Curriculum. And now, they are about two inches away from supporting the Federalizing of Police. A couple decades ago Conservatives would have rioted themselves to prevent that. So what changed?

There is a story, almost certainly untrue, that may actually reflect the attitudes of the people involved. Bill Clinton was elected and getting sworn in. During the parade and event, a flight of Military Fighters flew overhead. One of the new Administration glared upwards and said. "What are they doing here, we don't want them." A person next to him said. "Shush. Those are our planes now."

It is coming down to who supports and opposes what is essentially an oppressive Government depends on who is in power. When it is the Democrats in power, why we need to open fire on those damned Bundy loons who dare defy the Federal Government. When it is the Republicans holding the halls of power, why we need to open fire on those damned protestors and rioters. In other words, the only core belief either side truly has, is a desire to see the other side destroyed.

FDR called the Republicans the Loyal Opposition. He had Republicans in his administration. Frank Knox, the Secretary of the Navy as one example. FDR understood that the Republicans were just as clannish as the Democrats, but they were Americans too. Truman also had Republicans in his administration. Somewhere, somehow the attitudes changed. I don't know why I said somewhere, or somehow. It was the Impeachment of Bill Clinton. Ever since then the political parties have become more and more polarized. Each side wants to get revenge for the insults and slights that happened when they were not in power.

The only core belief evident is that each side wants to win, and destroy the other. That isn't America. That isn't the nation our grandparents and previous generations wanted us to have. It is the same conditions where we see violence breaking out among rival sects in second and third world nations. Think about that.

 

[initforme]

Pretty accurate post. Both sides do everything they can to sell people that they and they only know what's good for average people y t it's the average people who keep losing ground, even as they work harder and harder.

 

[kyzr]

This 2020 election is about the future of the country. What type of country do you want to live in. A country that is pretty much the way it has always been, or a new kind of socialist one-party rule dictatorship.
If the democrats win, their policies of open borders and free everything will transform the US into Communist China or Venezuela.
Look thru these democrat policies and think about how they will affect the US.
1. Open borders, tear down the southern border fence/wall
2. Sanctuary cities & states
3. Free college
4. "Medicare for all", aka rationed healthcare, "Lois Lerner" in charge of your access to healthcare
5. Eliminate ICE and DHS, turn the US into the EU, with muslim "no go zones" and Sharia Law
6. Promote Globalism, whatever Wall Street wants Wall Street gets, see K-Street Cash
7. Paris Climate Change Treaty where the US pays $trillions to poor countries
8. Stupid trade agreements, e.g tax breaks to move factories overseas
9. Let China run roughshod over the US for trade and intellectual property theft
10. Let NK develop nukes and ICBM delivery systems, have no one capable of dealing with NK
11. Raise taxes to 70% on the wealthy, especially on corporations so they relocate overseas
12. Decriminalize all drug use and possession, Opioid deaths increase across the US
13. Gangs like MS-13 running rampant across the US
14. No steel or mining industries due to foreign "dumping" of subsidized products
15. No new pipelines and no offshore drilling
16. Medicare for all means rural hospitals will close
17. The dems' "Central Committee" appoints super-delegates to subvert real voters in primaries
18. Pack the US Supreme Court to promote liberal policies
19. Impeach anyone they deem not liberal enough, like Kavanaugh
20. Use the Federal Government to punish conservatives, like the IRS and Lois Lerner hounded conservatives
21. Use the Intel community to spy on the opposition party, like Hillary, FusionGPS, and the FBI/DOJ spied on Trump
22. Block voter ID laws to ensure fraud, and promote "vote harvesting" to steal elections
23. Refuse to provide funding for border walls/security, which DHS says is desperately needed.
24. Give $Trillions to Mexico and Central America for a Marshal Plan, but not help US citizens living in tent cities
25. Impose gun control, outlaw private gun sales, outlaw AR style rifles, restrict sales of bullets, etc.
26. "Green New Deal" Impose a "carbon tax" to punish anyone who works, heats their home, flies, or has a car
27. Anti-business democrat socialists caused Amazon to flee NYC taking 25,000 good paying jobs to VA
28. REPARATIONS to blacks to pay for slavery, $trillions owed by US voters
29. Excuse the murder of unwanted newborns, i.e. "infanticide"
30. Change the Electoral College to popular vote
31. All prisoners get to vote, even the Boston Marathon Bomber, so says Bernie
32. Trannys back in the military
33. Increase domestic surveillance, especially on "white supremacist" organizations
34. Add Senators and congressmen for DC and Puerto Rico
35. Be sure that any "red flag" laws exclude gang members (only get those rural guns)
36. Full welfare and free healthcare for illegal immigrants
37. Eliminate Hallmark channel for being racist, sexist and anti-LGBTQ
38. Eliminate the "cash bail system" whereby all criminals walk out after committing a crime.
39. Nationalize all of the electric utilities making them green by 2030
40. Pass "The New Way Forward Act", bringing back 480,000 deported illegals, giving them free everything
41. Defund all police departments

Joe Biden has a plan for that

Not a joke, folks: He’s running on a transformative policy agenda.

www.vox.com

 

[kyzr]

Pretty accurate post. Both sides do everything they can to sell people that they and they only know what's good for average people y t it's the average people who keep losing ground, even as they work harder and harder.

To your point, only the wealthiest have been gaining wealth, the rest have been losing ground.

 

[occupied]

The right has always wanted to destroy the left. The parties of Reagan's time were both mostly conservative and the actual left had practically no voice in government.

 

[SavannahMann]

This 2020 election is about the future of the country. What type of country do you want to live in. A country that is pretty much the way it has always been, or a new kind of socialist one-party rule dictatorship.
If the democrats win, their policies of open borders and free everything will transform the US into Communist China or Venezuela.
Look thru these democrat policies and think about how they will affect the US.
1. Open borders, tear down the southern border fence/wall
2. Sanctuary cities & states

I never understood the argument against the Sanctuary Cities. Supreme Court Decisions have routinely stated that Immigration is the responsibility of the Federal Government. Only the Federal Government has the authority to enact Immigration policy or enforcement. Yet, the party of States Rights is infuriated when the States or Cities refuse to lift a finger to assist the ICE agents. What they are saying is they wash their hands of the mess, and it's your problem. They don't hide Illegals, they just say they will not help you find them. And don't complain they are breaking the law, the law says the Feds are the ones who can implement and enforce Immigration Policy.

3. Free college

Ok, how does that happen? They don't know either. But one thing that will happen is that Congress, even a Democratic Congress would hold hearings on Big Education wanting to know why it cost so much of the Taxpayers money to go to school. Colleges would have to justify their expenses and costs.

4. "Medicare for all", aka rationed healthcare, "Lois Lerner" in charge of your access to healthcare

Do you think that healthcare is not rationed now? Right now using the Opioid Crisis the Feds are strangling the Pain Patients access to medication. These chronic pain patients are suffering while the Trump Administration shrugs and says they have to do it to fight the Opioid Crisis. Aren't we supposed to provide access to care for those who need it? And guess what? Transplant lists are rationed care. A larger demand than supply, and that has been the case forever.

The truth is that Rationed Care is always an issue. The Doctor who performed the surgery removing the Brain Tumor from Senator Kennedy is arguably the best in the world. Yet, he has finite time to treat patients. So he has to ration his time to those who he thinks is worth it. Again, supply and demand means it is always rationed. When you restrict supply, as is being done with Pain Patients, you create the artificial situation that you seem to object to. Where are your posts demanding that Chronic Pain Patients be given the treatments they need? Where are your posts about the Federal Government getting out of the Practice of Medicine? Where are your lists explaining why the DEA has no Medical Knowledge and no idea what the Doctor is doing?

5. Eliminate ICE and DHS, turn the US into the EU, with muslim "no go zones" and Sharia Law

Nuts.

6. Promote Globalism, whatever Wall Street wants Wall Street gets, see K-Street Cash

Dude, have you even paid attention for the last decade? We bailed out the Banks, and essentially Nationalized them We bailed out Wall Street the same way. We Nationalized the Insurance Company ING, and Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. We poured billions into the system. And how? We said we were going to buy the Toxic Assets. The bill passed by Congress and signed by Bush was the Toxic Asset Relief Program. The entire purpose was to buy those toxic mortgages and save Wall Street. Only they never bought any of those assets. Never. They just kept buying the Companies that held them. That was a Republican Secretary of the Treasury. What you are screaming about already happened under Republicans.

7. Paris Climate Change Treaty where the US pays $trillions to poor countries

Holy Hell. You are really ignorant. Republicans pushed for those Trade Agreements. Democrats resisted longer than the Republicans.

8. Stupid trade agreements, e.g tax breaks to move factories overseas

Oh my Lord. you're so ignorant that it boggles the mind. You do know that free trade is one of those Reagan Era arguments. Competition was good for the economy. Free Trade leveled the playing field? Reagan, Bush, Bush, and Trump all agree on that. It is why Trump's clothing for you to buy showing how much you support him is made in China.

9. Let China run roughshod over the US for trade and intellectual property theft
10. Let NK develop nukes and ICBM delivery systems, have no one capable of dealing with NK
11. Raise taxes to 70% on the wealthy, especially on corporations so they relocate overseas
12. Decriminalize all drug use and possession, Opioid deaths increase across the US

The Federal Government required that Sudafed was moved to a controlled substance. So we could track and reduce the manufacturing of Crystal Meth. It has had a marked effect. Crystal Meth production and availability has increased by a thousand percent according to the DEA who wants more money to fight the Crystal Meth issue. Those who are overdosing on Opioids are not getting them from the Doctor. Ok, about 1% are. So the Federal Answer under Trump has been to restrict Opioids and cause suffering in people. How the hell is that better?

13. Gangs like MS-13 running rampant across the US
14. No steel or mining industries due to foreign "dumping" of subsidized products
15. No new pipelines and no offshore drilling
16. Medicare for all means rural hospitals will close

Rural Hospitals are closing. 70 have closed in the last decade, and more are at risk. Why? They can't compete with the larger city hospitals to get into the Preferred Provider Networks. So they try to exist as Out of Network facilities. But they aren't able to because basically they would only treat emergency patients, and they are not large enough, nor rich enough to manage a Trauma Center. Now, how could it be worse under Medicare for All? Seriously. At least that way every doctor would be in network, including the ones at the Rural Hospitals.

[/QUOTE] 17. The dems' "Central Committee" appoints super-delegates to subvert real voters in primaries
18. Pack the US Supreme Court to promote liberal policies [/QUOTE]

As opposed to packing the court to promote Conservative Agendas? Why is it wrong to do one but right to do the other?

19. Impeach anyone they deem not liberal enough, like Kavanaugh
20. Use the Federal Government to punish conservatives, like the IRS and Lois Lerner hounded conservatives

As opposed to using the Federal Government to crack skulls of Protestors and all that? Tell me again the difference?

21. Use the Intel community to spy on the opposition party, like Hillary, FusionGPS, and the FBI/DOJ spied on Trump
22. Block voter ID laws to ensure fraud, and promote "vote harvesting" to steal elections
23. Refuse to provide funding for border walls/security, which DHS says is desperately needed.
24. Give $Trillions to Mexico and Central America for a Marshal Plan, but not help US citizens living in tent cities
25. Impose gun control, outlaw private gun sales, outlaw AR style rifles, restrict sales of bullets, etc.
26. "Green New Deal" Impose a "carbon tax" to punish anyone who works, heats their home, flies, or has a car
27. Anti-business democrat socialists caused Amazon to flee NYC taking 25,000 good paying jobs to VA
28. REPARATIONS to blacks to pay for slavery, $trillions owed by US voters
29. Excuse the murder of unwanted newborns, i.e. "infanticide"
30. Change the Electoral College to popular vote
31. All prisoners get to vote, even the Boston Marathon Bomber, so says Bernie
32. Trannys back in the military
33. Increase domestic surveillance, especially on "white supremacist" organizations
34. Add Senators and congressmen for DC and Puerto Rico
35. Be sure that any "red flag" laws exclude gang members (only get those rural guns)
36. Full welfare and free healthcare for illegal immigrants
37. Eliminate Hallmark channel for being racist, sexist and anti-LGBTQ
38. Eliminate the "cash bail system" whereby all criminals walk out after committing a crime.
39. Nationalize all of the electric utilities making them green by 2030
40. Pass "The New Way Forward Act", bringing back 480,000 deported illegals, giving them free everything
41. Defund all police departments

Joe Biden has a plan for that

Not a joke, folks: He’s running on a transformative policy agenda.

www.vox.com

If anything, you are proving my point. On almost all of those issues the Republicans are no better than the Democrats. I just got tired of pointing out your hypocrisy. As another example. Puerto Rico has consistantly voted not to become a state. Making them one when they do not want it would be a can of worms the Democrats don't want. DC would require a Constitutional Amendment. The Constitution, that document you are so ignorant of, and apparently detest with a passion, is not quite dead yet, although you extremists on both sides who believe your own propaganda are trying valiantly to kill it.

 

[freyasman]

 

[kyzr]

This 2020 election is about the future of the country. What type of country do you want to live in. A country that is pretty much the way it has always been, or a new kind of socialist one-party rule dictatorship.
If the democrats win, their policies of open borders and free everything will transform the US into Communist China or Venezuela.
Look thru these democrat policies and think about how they will affect the US.
1. Open borders, tear down the southern border fence/wall
2. Sanctuary cities & states

I never understood the argument against the Sanctuary Cities. Supreme Court Decisions have routinely stated that Immigration is the responsibility of the Federal Government. Only the Federal Government has the authority to enact Immigration policy or enforcement. Yet, the party of States Rights is infuriated when the States or Cities refuse to lift a finger to assist the ICE agents. What they are saying is they wash their hands of the mess, and it's your problem. They don't hide Illegals, they just say they will not help you find them. And don't complain they are breaking the law, the law says the Feds are the ones who can implement and enforce Immigration Policy.

3. Free college

Ok, how does that happen? They don't know either. But one thing that will happen is that Congress, even a Democratic Congress would hold hearings on Big Education wanting to know why it cost so much of the Taxpayers money to go to school. Colleges would have to justify their expenses and costs.

4. "Medicare for all", aka rationed healthcare, "Lois Lerner" in charge of your access to healthcare

Do you think that healthcare is not rationed now? Right now using the Opioid Crisis the Feds are strangling the Pain Patients access to medication. These chronic pain patients are suffering while the Trump Administration shrugs and says they have to do it to fight the Opioid Crisis. Aren't we supposed to provide access to care for those who need it? And guess what? Transplant lists are rationed care. A larger demand than supply, and that has been the case forever.

The truth is that Rationed Care is always an issue. The Doctor who performed the surgery removing the Brain Tumor from Senator Kennedy is arguably the best in the world. Yet, he has finite time to treat patients. So he has to ration his time to those who he thinks is worth it. Again, supply and demand means it is always rationed. When you restrict supply, as is being done with Pain Patients, you create the artificial situation that you seem to object to. Where are your posts demanding that Chronic Pain Patients be given the treatments they need? Where are your posts about the Federal Government getting out of the Practice of Medicine? Where are your lists explaining why the DEA has no Medical Knowledge and no idea what the Doctor is doing?

5. Eliminate ICE and DHS, turn the US into the EU, with muslim "no go zones" and Sharia Law

Nuts.

6. Promote Globalism, whatever Wall Street wants Wall Street gets, see K-Street Cash

Dude, have you even paid attention for the last decade? We bailed out the Banks, and essentially Nationalized them We bailed out Wall Street the same way. We Nationalized the Insurance Company ING, and Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. We poured billions into the system. And how? We said we were going to buy the Toxic Assets. The bill passed by Congress and signed by Bush was the Toxic Asset Relief Program. The entire purpose was to buy those toxic mortgages and save Wall Street. Only they never bought any of those assets. Never. They just kept buying the Companies that held them. That was a Republican Secretary of the Treasury. What you are screaming about already happened under Republicans.

7. Paris Climate Change Treaty where the US pays $trillions to poor countries

Holy Hell. You are really ignorant. Republicans pushed for those Trade Agreements. Democrats resisted longer than the Republicans.

8. Stupid trade agreements, e.g tax breaks to move factories overseas

Oh my Lord. you're so ignorant that it boggles the mind. You do know that free trade is one of those Reagan Era arguments. Competition was good for the economy. Free Trade leveled the playing field? Reagan, Bush, Bush, and Trump all agree on that. It is why Trump's clothing for you to buy showing how much you support him is made in China.

9. Let China run roughshod over the US for trade and intellectual property theft
10. Let NK develop nukes and ICBM delivery systems, have no one capable of dealing with NK
11. Raise taxes to 70% on the wealthy, especially on corporations so they relocate overseas
12. Decriminalize all drug use and possession, Opioid deaths increase across the US

The Federal Government required that Sudafed was moved to a controlled substance. So we could track and reduce the manufacturing of Crystal Meth. It has had a marked effect. Crystal Meth production and availability has increased by a thousand percent according to the DEA who wants more money to fight the Crystal Meth issue. Those who are overdosing on Opioids are not getting them from the Doctor. Ok, about 1% are. So the Federal Answer under Trump has been to restrict Opioids and cause suffering in people. How the hell is that better?

13. Gangs like MS-13 running rampant across the US
14. No steel or mining industries due to foreign "dumping" of subsidized products
15. No new pipelines and no offshore drilling
16. Medicare for all means rural hospitals will close

Rural Hospitals are closing. 70 have closed in the last decade, and more are at risk. Why? They can't compete with the larger city hospitals to get into the Preferred Provider Networks. So they try to exist as Out of Network facilities. But they aren't able to because basically they would only treat emergency patients, and they are not large enough, nor rich enough to manage a Trauma Center. Now, how could it be worse under Medicare for All? Seriously. At least that way every doctor would be in network, including the ones at the Rural Hospitals.

17. The dems' "Central Committee" appoints super-delegates to subvert real voters in primaries
18. Pack the US Supreme Court to promote liberal policies

As opposed to packing the court to promote Conservative Agendas? Why is it wrong to do one but right to do the other?

19. Impeach anyone they deem not liberal enough, like Kavanaugh
20. Use the Federal Government to punish conservatives, like the IRS and Lois Lerner hounded conservatives

As opposed to using the Federal Government to crack skulls of Protestors and all that? Tell me again the difference?

21. Use the Intel community to spy on the opposition party, like Hillary, FusionGPS, and the FBI/DOJ spied on Trump
22. Block voter ID laws to ensure fraud, and promote "vote harvesting" to steal elections
23. Refuse to provide funding for border walls/security, which DHS says is desperately needed.
24. Give $Trillions to Mexico and Central America for a Marshal Plan, but not help US citizens living in tent cities
25. Impose gun control, outlaw private gun sales, outlaw AR style rifles, restrict sales of bullets, etc.
26. "Green New Deal" Impose a "carbon tax" to punish anyone who works, heats their home, flies, or has a car
27. Anti-business democrat socialists caused Amazon to flee NYC taking 25,000 good paying jobs to VA
28. REPARATIONS to blacks to pay for slavery, $trillions owed by US voters
29. Excuse the murder of unwanted newborns, i.e. "infanticide"
30. Change the Electoral College to popular vote
31. All prisoners get to vote, even the Boston Marathon Bomber, so says Bernie
32. Trannys back in the military
33. Increase domestic surveillance, especially on "white supremacist" organizations
34. Add Senators and congressmen for DC and Puerto Rico
35. Be sure that any "red flag" laws exclude gang members (only get those rural guns)
36. Full welfare and free healthcare for illegal immigrants
37. Eliminate Hallmark channel for being racist, sexist and anti-LGBTQ
38. Eliminate the "cash bail system" whereby all criminals walk out after committing a crime.
39. Nationalize all of the electric utilities making them green by 2030
40. Pass "The New Way Forward Act", bringing back 480,000 deported illegals, giving them free everything
41. Defund all police departments

Joe Biden has a plan for that

Not a joke, folks: He’s running on a transformative policy agenda.

www.vox.com

If anything, you are proving my point. On almost all of those issues the Republicans are no better than the Democrats. I just got tired of pointing out your hypocrisy. As another example. Puerto Rico has consistantly voted not to become a state. Making them one when they do not want it would be a can of worms the Democrats don't want. DC would require a Constitutional Amendment. The Constitution, that document you are so ignorant of, and apparently detest with a passion, is not quite dead yet, although you extremists on both sides who believe your own propaganda are trying valiantly to kill it.

2. The argument against sanctuary cities is that criminal illegals rape, rob, and murder when they should have been deported. You can research the various cases. The blood of victims is on the local government's hands.

San Francisco pier killing suspect found not guilty of murder

Donald Trump seized on the case during the campaign as proof that the U.S. needs his proposed border wall.

www.nbcnews.com

3. Free college and free healthcare for illegals is a democrat promise.

The Other College Scandal: Free Tuition for Illegal Aliens

In the recent “Operation Varsity Blues” college admissions scandal, wealthy parents allegedly bought their children’s way into accredited universities by bribing admissions officials and submitting illegitimate standardized exam scores--consequently limiting spots for more deserving, less...

www.irli.org

4. Healthcare is not rationed now, its pay for service, unless you have health insurance. If you think its bad now, just wait until hospitals close due to low "Medicare" reimbursements, and they get swamped by illegals looking for free healthcare. Chronic pain patients get the medication they need and is medically justified.

6. Promote globalism. Just look at the Bidens. Hunter getting $83,000 a month from Burisma. Then Hunter gets $1,500,000,000 from China to "invest". I like Trump's populist agenda of punishing China and bringing jobs back to the US. (now Biden plagiarized Trump "populist" agenda?????)

7. You are wrong about the Paris Climate Change "Treaty". Obama approved because he couldn't get Senate approval.

The Paris Agreement Is a Treaty. Treat It as Such. | National Review

Too many issues have been entrusted to unaccountable cliques that purport to know better how to run people’s lives than the people do.

www.nationalreview.com

8. You are wrong again about Trade Agreements. Its not just "free trade" that matters, but "fair trade". China has a $500b a year trade surplus. Tell me that's "fair". Trump, Navarro, and Lightheizer are doing God's work.

12. Look at the reduction of opioid deaths under Trump. Its not just meth, its also fentanyl.

16. The number of US hospitals has held fairly constant since 1975. Medicare for all would close rural hospitals.

Rural Hospitals Say ‘Medicare For All’ Would End Up 'Closing Our Doors'

Hospital administrators from Texas to Maine say adopting a single-payer government health care program that covers all Americans would force more rural hospitals to close.

www.wbur.org

18. Pack the supreme court. That has been tried, by FDR, and found unconstitutional.

Judicial Procedures Reform Bill of 1937 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

20. Using the Federal government to punish political opponents is inherently wrong.
Using Federal agents to protect Federal property from rioters is legal/lawful. i.e. the law says "DHS shall protect..."

 

[SavannahMann]

This 2020 election is about the future of the country. What type of country do you want to live in. A country that is pretty much the way it has always been, or a new kind of socialist one-party rule dictatorship.
If the democrats win, their policies of open borders and free everything will transform the US into Communist China or Venezuela.
Look thru these democrat policies and think about how they will affect the US.
1. Open borders, tear down the southern border fence/wall
2. Sanctuary cities & states

I never understood the argument against the Sanctuary Cities. Supreme Court Decisions have routinely stated that Immigration is the responsibility of the Federal Government. Only the Federal Government has the authority to enact Immigration policy or enforcement. Yet, the party of States Rights is infuriated when the States or Cities refuse to lift a finger to assist the ICE agents. What they are saying is they wash their hands of the mess, and it's your problem. They don't hide Illegals, they just say they will not help you find them. And don't complain they are breaking the law, the law says the Feds are the ones who can implement and enforce Immigration Policy.

3. Free college

Ok, how does that happen? They don't know either. But one thing that will happen is that Congress, even a Democratic Congress would hold hearings on Big Education wanting to know why it cost so much of the Taxpayers money to go to school. Colleges would have to justify their expenses and costs.

4. "Medicare for all", aka rationed healthcare, "Lois Lerner" in charge of your access to healthcare

Do you think that healthcare is not rationed now? Right now using the Opioid Crisis the Feds are strangling the Pain Patients access to medication. These chronic pain patients are suffering while the Trump Administration shrugs and says they have to do it to fight the Opioid Crisis. Aren't we supposed to provide access to care for those who need it? And guess what? Transplant lists are rationed care. A larger demand than supply, and that has been the case forever.

The truth is that Rationed Care is always an issue. The Doctor who performed the surgery removing the Brain Tumor from Senator Kennedy is arguably the best in the world. Yet, he has finite time to treat patients. So he has to ration his time to those who he thinks is worth it. Again, supply and demand means it is always rationed. When you restrict supply, as is being done with Pain Patients, you create the artificial situation that you seem to object to. Where are your posts demanding that Chronic Pain Patients be given the treatments they need? Where are your posts about the Federal Government getting out of the Practice of Medicine? Where are your lists explaining why the DEA has no Medical Knowledge and no idea what the Doctor is doing?

5. Eliminate ICE and DHS, turn the US into the EU, with muslim "no go zones" and Sharia Law

Nuts.

6. Promote Globalism, whatever Wall Street wants Wall Street gets, see K-Street Cash

Dude, have you even paid attention for the last decade? We bailed out the Banks, and essentially Nationalized them We bailed out Wall Street the same way. We Nationalized the Insurance Company ING, and Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. We poured billions into the system. And how? We said we were going to buy the Toxic Assets. The bill passed by Congress and signed by Bush was the Toxic Asset Relief Program. The entire purpose was to buy those toxic mortgages and save Wall Street. Only they never bought any of those assets. Never. They just kept buying the Companies that held them. That was a Republican Secretary of the Treasury. What you are screaming about already happened under Republicans.

7. Paris Climate Change Treaty where the US pays $trillions to poor countries

Holy Hell. You are really ignorant. Republicans pushed for those Trade Agreements. Democrats resisted longer than the Republicans.

8. Stupid trade agreements, e.g tax breaks to move factories overseas

Oh my Lord. you're so ignorant that it boggles the mind. You do know that free trade is one of those Reagan Era arguments. Competition was good for the economy. Free Trade leveled the playing field? Reagan, Bush, Bush, and Trump all agree on that. It is why Trump's clothing for you to buy showing how much you support him is made in China.

9. Let China run roughshod over the US for trade and intellectual property theft
10. Let NK develop nukes and ICBM delivery systems, have no one capable of dealing with NK
11. Raise taxes to 70% on the wealthy, especially on corporations so they relocate overseas
12. Decriminalize all drug use and possession, Opioid deaths increase across the US

The Federal Government required that Sudafed was moved to a controlled substance. So we could track and reduce the manufacturing of Crystal Meth. It has had a marked effect. Crystal Meth production and availability has increased by a thousand percent according to the DEA who wants more money to fight the Crystal Meth issue. Those who are overdosing on Opioids are not getting them from the Doctor. Ok, about 1% are. So the Federal Answer under Trump has been to restrict Opioids and cause suffering in people. How the hell is that better?

13. Gangs like MS-13 running rampant across the US
14. No steel or mining industries due to foreign "dumping" of subsidized products
15. No new pipelines and no offshore drilling
16. Medicare for all means rural hospitals will close

Rural Hospitals are closing. 70 have closed in the last decade, and more are at risk. Why? They can't compete with the larger city hospitals to get into the Preferred Provider Networks. So they try to exist as Out of Network facilities. But they aren't able to because basically they would only treat emergency patients, and they are not large enough, nor rich enough to manage a Trauma Center. Now, how could it be worse under Medicare for All? Seriously. At least that way every doctor would be in network, including the ones at the Rural Hospitals.

17. The dems' "Central Committee" appoints super-delegates to subvert real voters in primaries
18. Pack the US Supreme Court to promote liberal policies

As opposed to packing the court to promote Conservative Agendas? Why is it wrong to do one but right to do the other?

19. Impeach anyone they deem not liberal enough, like Kavanaugh
20. Use the Federal Government to punish conservatives, like the IRS and Lois Lerner hounded conservatives

As opposed to using the Federal Government to crack skulls of Protestors and all that? Tell me again the difference?

21. Use the Intel community to spy on the opposition party, like Hillary, FusionGPS, and the FBI/DOJ spied on Trump
22. Block voter ID laws to ensure fraud, and promote "vote harvesting" to steal elections
23. Refuse to provide funding for border walls/security, which DHS says is desperately needed.
24. Give $Trillions to Mexico and Central America for a Marshal Plan, but not help US citizens living in tent cities
25. Impose gun control, outlaw private gun sales, outlaw AR style rifles, restrict sales of bullets, etc.
26. "Green New Deal" Impose a "carbon tax" to punish anyone who works, heats their home, flies, or has a car
27. Anti-business democrat socialists caused Amazon to flee NYC taking 25,000 good paying jobs to VA
28. REPARATIONS to blacks to pay for slavery, $trillions owed by US voters
29. Excuse the murder of unwanted newborns, i.e. "infanticide"
30. Change the Electoral College to popular vote
31. All prisoners get to vote, even the Boston Marathon Bomber, so says Bernie
32. Trannys back in the military
33. Increase domestic surveillance, especially on "white supremacist" organizations
34. Add Senators and congressmen for DC and Puerto Rico
35. Be sure that any "red flag" laws exclude gang members (only get those rural guns)
36. Full welfare and free healthcare for illegal immigrants
37. Eliminate Hallmark channel for being racist, sexist and anti-LGBTQ
38. Eliminate the "cash bail system" whereby all criminals walk out after committing a crime.
39. Nationalize all of the electric utilities making them green by 2030
40. Pass "The New Way Forward Act", bringing back 480,000 deported illegals, giving them free everything
41. Defund all police departments

Joe Biden has a plan for that

Not a joke, folks: He’s running on a transformative policy agenda.

www.vox.com

If anything, you are proving my point. On almost all of those issues the Republicans are no better than the Democrats. I just got tired of pointing out your hypocrisy. As another example. Puerto Rico has consistantly voted not to become a state. Making them one when they do not want it would be a can of worms the Democrats don't want. DC would require a Constitutional Amendment. The Constitution, that document you are so ignorant of, and apparently detest with a passion, is not quite dead yet, although you extremists on both sides who believe your own propaganda are trying valiantly to kill it.

2. The argument against sanctuary cities is that criminal illegals rape, rob, and murder when they should have been deported. You can research the various cases. The blood of victims is on the local government's hands.

San Francisco pier killing suspect found not guilty of murder

Donald Trump seized on the case during the campaign as proof that the U.S. needs his proposed border wall.

www.nbcnews.com

3. Free college and free healthcare for illegals is a democrat promise.

The Other College Scandal: Free Tuition for Illegal Aliens

In the recent “Operation Varsity Blues” college admissions scandal, wealthy parents allegedly bought their children’s way into accredited universities by bribing admissions officials and submitting illegitimate standardized exam scores--consequently limiting spots for more deserving, less...

www.irli.org

4. Healthcare is not rationed now, its pay for service, unless you have health insurance. If you think its bad now, just wait until hospitals close due to low "Medicare" reimbursements, and they get swamped by illegals looking for free healthcare. Chronic pain patients get the medication they need and is medically justified.

6. Promote globalism. Just look at the Bidens. Hunter getting $83,000 a month from Burisma. Then Hunter gets $1,500,000,000 from China to "invest". I like Trump's populist agenda of punishing China and bringing jobs back to the US. (now Biden plagiarized Trump "populist" agenda?????)

7. You are wrong about the Paris Climate Change "Treaty". Obama approved because he couldn't get Senate approval.

The Paris Agreement Is a Treaty. Treat It as Such. | National Review

Too many issues have been entrusted to unaccountable cliques that purport to know better how to run people’s lives than the people do.

www.nationalreview.com

8. You are wrong again about Trade Agreements. Its not just "free trade" that matters, but "fair trade". China has a $500b a year trade surplus. Tell me that's "fair". Trump, Navarro, and Lightheizer are doing God's work.

12. Look at the reduction of opioid deaths under Trump. Its not just meth, its also fentanyl.

16. The number of US hospitals has held fairly constant since 1975. Medicare for all would close rural hospitals.

Rural Hospitals Say ‘Medicare For All’ Would End Up 'Closing Our Doors'

Hospital administrators from Texas to Maine say adopting a single-payer government health care program that covers all Americans would force more rural hospitals to close.

www.wbur.org

18. Pack the supreme court. That has been tried, by FDR, and found unconstitutional.

Judicial Procedures Reform Bill of 1937 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

20. Using the Federal government to punish political opponents is inherently wrong.
Using Federal agents to protect Federal property from rioters is legal/lawful. i.e. the law says "DHS shall protect..."

So States Rights are fine for what? Abortion? Guns? But not Immigration. There the States MUST enforce Immigration law. Um. You know that is unconstitutional right? It is called an Unfunded Mandate. If you want the Local Cops to enforce Immigration Law, you have to pay for it. That is why the Sheriff's no longer do Background Checks for the Brady Law. They were mandated to do so, but never reimbursed for the expense, and the Supreme Court ruled it was unconstitutional to require that. Now, the FBI manages it. It is their problem. Why if we don't require the County Sheriff's to oversee a phone call to check if someone is eligible to buy a weapon, do we expect those same cops to enforce Immigration laws?

Courts have regularly held that ICE Detainer Requests are Unconstitutional. In fact, the Police themselves can be found liable, criminally and Civilly, for holding someone for ICE based upon a Detainer Request.

Now, help me out here. Where in the Constitution does it say that local cops have to heed the Detainer Requests? It doesn't, which is why several courts and even ICE themselves have agreed that it is a voluntary request. A voluntary request. Think about that. ICE says that the request has no legal validity. But you want to punish the States and Cities for not obeying an unconstitutional voluntary request.

All laws derive their authority from the Constitution.

Healthcare is not rationed? Really? Great. Explain how you get on the Transplant list for a heart. First, you have to be diagnosed by a Doctor. Then the Doctor has to fill out forms to the Transplant Committee. That Committee will decide first, if you even get on the list. Second, where on the list you should go. Let's say you're a smoker who has a history many years ago of doing drugs. Guess what, down on the list you go, if you make it on the list. Your life will end without you even getting near the top to the next available.

People die every day waiting on transplants. So how is that not rationed? One heart, a hundred patients who need it. Or is it based upon who can pay? If so, our health care system and the transplant lists are just what? Kabuki theater to make sure the Rich keep getting our organs when we die?

Supply and Demand has been in effect since the first days of anything. When Demand outstrips supply, there is always a way to ration the care. And it is rationed through those systems like Transplant lists. Doubt me? Look it up yourself. https://www.ucsfhealth.org/education/faq-heart-transplant

Where you end up on the list depends on how many risk factors you have, if you have too many, no list for you. You just die. So tell me that is not rationed care?

 

[Mac1958]

The only core belief evident is that each side wants to win, and destroy the other. That isn't America. That isn't the nation our grandparents and previous generations wanted us to have.

Somewhere along the way, the two ends of our spectrum allowed themselves to be talked into the notion that they're at "war".

"War" means victory at all costs, lie if you have to, cheat if you have to, the damage you cause is merely collateral.

So now it's a contest with the two warring ends of the spectrum on one side of the fence, and America on the other.

 

[kyzr]

This 2020 election is about the future of the country. What type of country do you want to live in. A country that is pretty much the way it has always been, or a new kind of socialist one-party rule dictatorship.
If the democrats win, their policies of open borders and free everything will transform the US into Communist China or Venezuela.
Look thru these democrat policies and think about how they will affect the US.
1. Open borders, tear down the southern border fence/wall
2. Sanctuary cities & states

I never understood the argument against the Sanctuary Cities. Supreme Court Decisions have routinely stated that Immigration is the responsibility of the Federal Government. Only the Federal Government has the authority to enact Immigration policy or enforcement. Yet, the party of States Rights is infuriated when the States or Cities refuse to lift a finger to assist the ICE agents. What they are saying is they wash their hands of the mess, and it's your problem. They don't hide Illegals, they just say they will not help you find them. And don't complain they are breaking the law, the law says the Feds are the ones who can implement and enforce Immigration Policy.

3. Free college

Ok, how does that happen? They don't know either. But one thing that will happen is that Congress, even a Democratic Congress would hold hearings on Big Education wanting to know why it cost so much of the Taxpayers money to go to school. Colleges would have to justify their expenses and costs.

4. "Medicare for all", aka rationed healthcare, "Lois Lerner" in charge of your access to healthcare

Do you think that healthcare is not rationed now? Right now using the Opioid Crisis the Feds are strangling the Pain Patients access to medication. These chronic pain patients are suffering while the Trump Administration shrugs and says they have to do it to fight the Opioid Crisis. Aren't we supposed to provide access to care for those who need it? And guess what? Transplant lists are rationed care. A larger demand than supply, and that has been the case forever.

The truth is that Rationed Care is always an issue. The Doctor who performed the surgery removing the Brain Tumor from Senator Kennedy is arguably the best in the world. Yet, he has finite time to treat patients. So he has to ration his time to those who he thinks is worth it. Again, supply and demand means it is always rationed. When you restrict supply, as is being done with Pain Patients, you create the artificial situation that you seem to object to. Where are your posts demanding that Chronic Pain Patients be given the treatments they need? Where are your posts about the Federal Government getting out of the Practice of Medicine? Where are your lists explaining why the DEA has no Medical Knowledge and no idea what the Doctor is doing?

5. Eliminate ICE and DHS, turn the US into the EU, with muslim "no go zones" and Sharia Law

Nuts.

6. Promote Globalism, whatever Wall Street wants Wall Street gets, see K-Street Cash

Dude, have you even paid attention for the last decade? We bailed out the Banks, and essentially Nationalized them We bailed out Wall Street the same way. We Nationalized the Insurance Company ING, and Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. We poured billions into the system. And how? We said we were going to buy the Toxic Assets. The bill passed by Congress and signed by Bush was the Toxic Asset Relief Program. The entire purpose was to buy those toxic mortgages and save Wall Street. Only they never bought any of those assets. Never. They just kept buying the Companies that held them. That was a Republican Secretary of the Treasury. What you are screaming about already happened under Republicans.

7. Paris Climate Change Treaty where the US pays $trillions to poor countries

Holy Hell. You are really ignorant. Republicans pushed for those Trade Agreements. Democrats resisted longer than the Republicans.

8. Stupid trade agreements, e.g tax breaks to move factories overseas

Oh my Lord. you're so ignorant that it boggles the mind. You do know that free trade is one of those Reagan Era arguments. Competition was good for the economy. Free Trade leveled the playing field? Reagan, Bush, Bush, and Trump all agree on that. It is why Trump's clothing for you to buy showing how much you support him is made in China.

9. Let China run roughshod over the US for trade and intellectual property theft
10. Let NK develop nukes and ICBM delivery systems, have no one capable of dealing with NK
11. Raise taxes to 70% on the wealthy, especially on corporations so they relocate overseas
12. Decriminalize all drug use and possession, Opioid deaths increase across the US

The Federal Government required that Sudafed was moved to a controlled substance. So we could track and reduce the manufacturing of Crystal Meth. It has had a marked effect. Crystal Meth production and availability has increased by a thousand percent according to the DEA who wants more money to fight the Crystal Meth issue. Those who are overdosing on Opioids are not getting them from the Doctor. Ok, about 1% are. So the Federal Answer under Trump has been to restrict Opioids and cause suffering in people. How the hell is that better?

13. Gangs like MS-13 running rampant across the US
14. No steel or mining industries due to foreign "dumping" of subsidized products
15. No new pipelines and no offshore drilling
16. Medicare for all means rural hospitals will close

Rural Hospitals are closing. 70 have closed in the last decade, and more are at risk. Why? They can't compete with the larger city hospitals to get into the Preferred Provider Networks. So they try to exist as Out of Network facilities. But they aren't able to because basically they would only treat emergency patients, and they are not large enough, nor rich enough to manage a Trauma Center. Now, how could it be worse under Medicare for All? Seriously. At least that way every doctor would be in network, including the ones at the Rural Hospitals.

17. The dems' "Central Committee" appoints super-delegates to subvert real voters in primaries
18. Pack the US Supreme Court to promote liberal policies

As opposed to packing the court to promote Conservative Agendas? Why is it wrong to do one but right to do the other?

19. Impeach anyone they deem not liberal enough, like Kavanaugh
20. Use the Federal Government to punish conservatives, like the IRS and Lois Lerner hounded conservatives

As opposed to using the Federal Government to crack skulls of Protestors and all that? Tell me again the difference?

21. Use the Intel community to spy on the opposition party, like Hillary, FusionGPS, and the FBI/DOJ spied on Trump
22. Block voter ID laws to ensure fraud, and promote "vote harvesting" to steal elections
23. Refuse to provide funding for border walls/security, which DHS says is desperately needed.
24. Give $Trillions to Mexico and Central America for a Marshal Plan, but not help US citizens living in tent cities
25. Impose gun control, outlaw private gun sales, outlaw AR style rifles, restrict sales of bullets, etc.
26. "Green New Deal" Impose a "carbon tax" to punish anyone who works, heats their home, flies, or has a car
27. Anti-business democrat socialists caused Amazon to flee NYC taking 25,000 good paying jobs to VA
28. REPARATIONS to blacks to pay for slavery, $trillions owed by US voters
29. Excuse the murder of unwanted newborns, i.e. "infanticide"
30. Change the Electoral College to popular vote
31. All prisoners get to vote, even the Boston Marathon Bomber, so says Bernie
32. Trannys back in the military
33. Increase domestic surveillance, especially on "white supremacist" organizations
34. Add Senators and congressmen for DC and Puerto Rico
35. Be sure that any "red flag" laws exclude gang members (only get those rural guns)
36. Full welfare and free healthcare for illegal immigrants
37. Eliminate Hallmark channel for being racist, sexist and anti-LGBTQ
38. Eliminate the "cash bail system" whereby all criminals walk out after committing a crime.
39. Nationalize all of the electric utilities making them green by 2030
40. Pass "The New Way Forward Act", bringing back 480,000 deported illegals, giving them free everything
41. Defund all police departments

Joe Biden has a plan for that

Not a joke, folks: He’s running on a transformative policy agenda.

www.vox.com

If anything, you are proving my point. On almost all of those issues the Republicans are no better than the Democrats. I just got tired of pointing out your hypocrisy. As another example. Puerto Rico has consistantly voted not to become a state. Making them one when they do not want it would be a can of worms the Democrats don't want. DC would require a Constitutional Amendment. The Constitution, that document you are so ignorant of, and apparently detest with a passion, is not quite dead yet, although you extremists on both sides who believe your own propaganda are trying valiantly to kill it.

2. The argument against sanctuary cities is that criminal illegals rape, rob, and murder when they should have been deported. You can research the various cases. The blood of victims is on the local government's hands.

San Francisco pier killing suspect found not guilty of murder

Donald Trump seized on the case during the campaign as proof that the U.S. needs his proposed border wall.

www.nbcnews.com

3. Free college and free healthcare for illegals is a democrat promise.

The Other College Scandal: Free Tuition for Illegal Aliens

In the recent “Operation Varsity Blues” college admissions scandal, wealthy parents allegedly bought their children’s way into accredited universities by bribing admissions officials and submitting illegitimate standardized exam scores--consequently limiting spots for more deserving, less...

www.irli.org

4. Healthcare is not rationed now, its pay for service, unless you have health insurance. If you think its bad now, just wait until hospitals close due to low "Medicare" reimbursements, and they get swamped by illegals looking for free healthcare. Chronic pain patients get the medication they need and is medically justified.

6. Promote globalism. Just look at the Bidens. Hunter getting $83,000 a month from Burisma. Then Hunter gets $1,500,000,000 from China to "invest". I like Trump's populist agenda of punishing China and bringing jobs back to the US. (now Biden plagiarized Trump "populist" agenda?????)

7. You are wrong about the Paris Climate Change "Treaty". Obama approved because he couldn't get Senate approval.

The Paris Agreement Is a Treaty. Treat It as Such. | National Review

Too many issues have been entrusted to unaccountable cliques that purport to know better how to run people’s lives than the people do.

www.nationalreview.com

8. You are wrong again about Trade Agreements. Its not just "free trade" that matters, but "fair trade". China has a $500b a year trade surplus. Tell me that's "fair". Trump, Navarro, and Lightheizer are doing God's work.

12. Look at the reduction of opioid deaths under Trump. Its not just meth, its also fentanyl.

16. The number of US hospitals has held fairly constant since 1975. Medicare for all would close rural hospitals.

Rural Hospitals Say ‘Medicare For All’ Would End Up 'Closing Our Doors'

Hospital administrators from Texas to Maine say adopting a single-payer government health care program that covers all Americans would force more rural hospitals to close.

www.wbur.org

18. Pack the supreme court. That has been tried, by FDR, and found unconstitutional.

Judicial Procedures Reform Bill of 1937 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

20. Using the Federal government to punish political opponents is inherently wrong.
Using Federal agents to protect Federal property from rioters is legal/lawful. i.e. the law says "DHS shall protect..."

So States Rights are fine for what? Abortion? Guns? But not Immigration. There the States MUST enforce Immigration law. Um. You know that is unconstitutional right? It is called an Unfunded Mandate. If you want the Local Cops to enforce Immigration Law, you have to pay for it. That is why the Sheriff's no longer do Background Checks for the Brady Law. They were mandated to do so, but never reimbursed for the expense, and the Supreme Court ruled it was unconstitutional to require that. Now, the FBI manages it. It is their problem. Why if we don't require the County Sheriff's to oversee a phone call to check if someone is eligible to buy a weapon, do we expect those same cops to enforce Immigration laws?

Courts have regularly held that ICE Detainer Requests are Unconstitutional. In fact, the Police themselves can be found liable, criminally and Civilly, for holding someone for ICE based upon a Detainer Request.

Now, help me out here. Where in the Constitution does it say that local cops have to heed the Detainer Requests? It doesn't, which is why several courts and even ICE themselves have agreed that it is a voluntary request. A voluntary request. Think about that. ICE says that the request has no legal validity. But you want to punish the States and Cities for not obeying an unconstitutional voluntary request.

All laws derive their authority from the Constitution.

Healthcare is not rationed? Really? Great. Explain how you get on the Transplant list for a heart. First, you have to be diagnosed by a Doctor. Then the Doctor has to fill out forms to the Transplant Committee. That Committee will decide first, if you even get on the list. Second, where on the list you should go. Let's say you're a smoker who has a history many years ago of doing drugs. Guess what, down on the list you go, if you make it on the list. Your life will end without you even getting near the top to the next available.

People die every day waiting on transplants. So how is that not rationed? One heart, a hundred patients who need it. Or is it based upon who can pay? If so, our health care system and the transplant lists are just what? Kabuki theater to make sure the Rich keep getting our organs when we die?

Supply and Demand has been in effect since the first days of anything. When Demand outstrips supply, there is always a way to ration the care. And it is rationed through those systems like Transplant lists. Doubt me? Look it up yourself. https://www.ucsfhealth.org/education/faq-heart-transplant

Where you end up on the list depends on how many risk factors you have, if you have too many, no list for you. You just die. So tell me that is not rationed care?

1. State's Rights do NOT include any immigration authority. That's just the way it is.

Federal vs. State Immigration Laws - FindLaw

Immigration is regulated at the federal level, chiefly under the rules established in 1952 with the passage of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA).

immigration.findlaw.com

Red states support immigration law, Blue states violate immigration law. A phone call or two to ICE about a dangerous criminal is NOT that expensive. Tell the Steinle family its an "unfunded mandate". Its not enforcing immigration law, its a few phone calls to save lives.

2. ICE detainers are legal. Its a fucking phone call after they are arrested, but before they are released, its a "courtesy call".

Detainers

www.ice.gov

An ICE detainer request is just that: a request. There is no legal requirement for your department to comply. The federal government has no legal right to force your department to hold anyone beyond the time when they are eligible for release from state or local custody.

3. I was talking about routine healthcare not being rationed, not rare transplants. Organs are NOT RATIONED, they rarely become available. Its an availability issue, not a healthcare rationing issue.

 

[SavannahMann]

This 2020 election is about the future of the country. What type of country do you want to live in. A country that is pretty much the way it has always been, or a new kind of socialist one-party rule dictatorship.
If the democrats win, their policies of open borders and free everything will transform the US into Communist China or Venezuela.
Look thru these democrat policies and think about how they will affect the US.
1. Open borders, tear down the southern border fence/wall
2. Sanctuary cities & states

I never understood the argument against the Sanctuary Cities. Supreme Court Decisions have routinely stated that Immigration is the responsibility of the Federal Government. Only the Federal Government has the authority to enact Immigration policy or enforcement. Yet, the party of States Rights is infuriated when the States or Cities refuse to lift a finger to assist the ICE agents. What they are saying is they wash their hands of the mess, and it's your problem. They don't hide Illegals, they just say they will not help you find them. And don't complain they are breaking the law, the law says the Feds are the ones who can implement and enforce Immigration Policy.

3. Free college

Ok, how does that happen? They don't know either. But one thing that will happen is that Congress, even a Democratic Congress would hold hearings on Big Education wanting to know why it cost so much of the Taxpayers money to go to school. Colleges would have to justify their expenses and costs.

4. "Medicare for all", aka rationed healthcare, "Lois Lerner" in charge of your access to healthcare

Do you think that healthcare is not rationed now? Right now using the Opioid Crisis the Feds are strangling the Pain Patients access to medication. These chronic pain patients are suffering while the Trump Administration shrugs and says they have to do it to fight the Opioid Crisis. Aren't we supposed to provide access to care for those who need it? And guess what? Transplant lists are rationed care. A larger demand than supply, and that has been the case forever.

The truth is that Rationed Care is always an issue. The Doctor who performed the surgery removing the Brain Tumor from Senator Kennedy is arguably the best in the world. Yet, he has finite time to treat patients. So he has to ration his time to those who he thinks is worth it. Again, supply and demand means it is always rationed. When you restrict supply, as is being done with Pain Patients, you create the artificial situation that you seem to object to. Where are your posts demanding that Chronic Pain Patients be given the treatments they need? Where are your posts about the Federal Government getting out of the Practice of Medicine? Where are your lists explaining why the DEA has no Medical Knowledge and no idea what the Doctor is doing?

5. Eliminate ICE and DHS, turn the US into the EU, with muslim "no go zones" and Sharia Law

Nuts.

6. Promote Globalism, whatever Wall Street wants Wall Street gets, see K-Street Cash

Dude, have you even paid attention for the last decade? We bailed out the Banks, and essentially Nationalized them We bailed out Wall Street the same way. We Nationalized the Insurance Company ING, and Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. We poured billions into the system. And how? We said we were going to buy the Toxic Assets. The bill passed by Congress and signed by Bush was the Toxic Asset Relief Program. The entire purpose was to buy those toxic mortgages and save Wall Street. Only they never bought any of those assets. Never. They just kept buying the Companies that held them. That was a Republican Secretary of the Treasury. What you are screaming about already happened under Republicans.

7. Paris Climate Change Treaty where the US pays $trillions to poor countries

Holy Hell. You are really ignorant. Republicans pushed for those Trade Agreements. Democrats resisted longer than the Republicans.

8. Stupid trade agreements, e.g tax breaks to move factories overseas

Oh my Lord. you're so ignorant that it boggles the mind. You do know that free trade is one of those Reagan Era arguments. Competition was good for the economy. Free Trade leveled the playing field? Reagan, Bush, Bush, and Trump all agree on that. It is why Trump's clothing for you to buy showing how much you support him is made in China.

9. Let China run roughshod over the US for trade and intellectual property theft
10. Let NK develop nukes and ICBM delivery systems, have no one capable of dealing with NK
11. Raise taxes to 70% on the wealthy, especially on corporations so they relocate overseas
12. Decriminalize all drug use and possession, Opioid deaths increase across the US

The Federal Government required that Sudafed was moved to a controlled substance. So we could track and reduce the manufacturing of Crystal Meth. It has had a marked effect. Crystal Meth production and availability has increased by a thousand percent according to the DEA who wants more money to fight the Crystal Meth issue. Those who are overdosing on Opioids are not getting them from the Doctor. Ok, about 1% are. So the Federal Answer under Trump has been to restrict Opioids and cause suffering in people. How the hell is that better?

13. Gangs like MS-13 running rampant across the US
14. No steel or mining industries due to foreign "dumping" of subsidized products
15. No new pipelines and no offshore drilling
16. Medicare for all means rural hospitals will close

Rural Hospitals are closing. 70 have closed in the last decade, and more are at risk. Why? They can't compete with the larger city hospitals to get into the Preferred Provider Networks. So they try to exist as Out of Network facilities. But they aren't able to because basically they would only treat emergency patients, and they are not large enough, nor rich enough to manage a Trauma Center. Now, how could it be worse under Medicare for All? Seriously. At least that way every doctor would be in network, including the ones at the Rural Hospitals.

17. The dems' "Central Committee" appoints super-delegates to subvert real voters in primaries
18. Pack the US Supreme Court to promote liberal policies

As opposed to packing the court to promote Conservative Agendas? Why is it wrong to do one but right to do the other?

19. Impeach anyone they deem not liberal enough, like Kavanaugh
20. Use the Federal Government to punish conservatives, like the IRS and Lois Lerner hounded conservatives

As opposed to using the Federal Government to crack skulls of Protestors and all that? Tell me again the difference?

21. Use the Intel community to spy on the opposition party, like Hillary, FusionGPS, and the FBI/DOJ spied on Trump
22. Block voter ID laws to ensure fraud, and promote "vote harvesting" to steal elections
23. Refuse to provide funding for border walls/security, which DHS says is desperately needed.
24. Give $Trillions to Mexico and Central America for a Marshal Plan, but not help US citizens living in tent cities
25. Impose gun control, outlaw private gun sales, outlaw AR style rifles, restrict sales of bullets, etc.
26. "Green New Deal" Impose a "carbon tax" to punish anyone who works, heats their home, flies, or has a car
27. Anti-business democrat socialists caused Amazon to flee NYC taking 25,000 good paying jobs to VA
28. REPARATIONS to blacks to pay for slavery, $trillions owed by US voters
29. Excuse the murder of unwanted newborns, i.e. "infanticide"
30. Change the Electoral College to popular vote
31. All prisoners get to vote, even the Boston Marathon Bomber, so says Bernie
32. Trannys back in the military
33. Increase domestic surveillance, especially on "white supremacist" organizations
34. Add Senators and congressmen for DC and Puerto Rico
35. Be sure that any "red flag" laws exclude gang members (only get those rural guns)
36. Full welfare and free healthcare for illegal immigrants
37. Eliminate Hallmark channel for being racist, sexist and anti-LGBTQ
38. Eliminate the "cash bail system" whereby all criminals walk out after committing a crime.
39. Nationalize all of the electric utilities making them green by 2030
40. Pass "The New Way Forward Act", bringing back 480,000 deported illegals, giving them free everything
41. Defund all police departments

Joe Biden has a plan for that

Not a joke, folks: He’s running on a transformative policy agenda.

www.vox.com

If anything, you are proving my point. On almost all of those issues the Republicans are no better than the Democrats. I just got tired of pointing out your hypocrisy. As another example. Puerto Rico has consistantly voted not to become a state. Making them one when they do not want it would be a can of worms the Democrats don't want. DC would require a Constitutional Amendment. The Constitution, that document you are so ignorant of, and apparently detest with a passion, is not quite dead yet, although you extremists on both sides who believe your own propaganda are trying valiantly to kill it.

2. The argument against sanctuary cities is that criminal illegals rape, rob, and murder when they should have been deported. You can research the various cases. The blood of victims is on the local government's hands.

San Francisco pier killing suspect found not guilty of murder

Donald Trump seized on the case during the campaign as proof that the U.S. needs his proposed border wall.

www.nbcnews.com

3. Free college and free healthcare for illegals is a democrat promise.

The Other College Scandal: Free Tuition for Illegal Aliens

In the recent “Operation Varsity Blues” college admissions scandal, wealthy parents allegedly bought their children’s way into accredited universities by bribing admissions officials and submitting illegitimate standardized exam scores--consequently limiting spots for more deserving, less...

www.irli.org

4. Healthcare is not rationed now, its pay for service, unless you have health insurance. If you think its bad now, just wait until hospitals close due to low "Medicare" reimbursements, and they get swamped by illegals looking for free healthcare. Chronic pain patients get the medication they need and is medically justified.

6. Promote globalism. Just look at the Bidens. Hunter getting $83,000 a month from Burisma. Then Hunter gets $1,500,000,000 from China to "invest". I like Trump's populist agenda of punishing China and bringing jobs back to the US. (now Biden plagiarized Trump "populist" agenda?????)

7. You are wrong about the Paris Climate Change "Treaty". Obama approved because he couldn't get Senate approval.

The Paris Agreement Is a Treaty. Treat It as Such. | National Review

Too many issues have been entrusted to unaccountable cliques that purport to know better how to run people’s lives than the people do.

www.nationalreview.com

8. You are wrong again about Trade Agreements. Its not just "free trade" that matters, but "fair trade". China has a $500b a year trade surplus. Tell me that's "fair". Trump, Navarro, and Lightheizer are doing God's work.

12. Look at the reduction of opioid deaths under Trump. Its not just meth, its also fentanyl.

16. The number of US hospitals has held fairly constant since 1975. Medicare for all would close rural hospitals.

Rural Hospitals Say ‘Medicare For All’ Would End Up 'Closing Our Doors'

Hospital administrators from Texas to Maine say adopting a single-payer government health care program that covers all Americans would force more rural hospitals to close.

www.wbur.org

18. Pack the supreme court. That has been tried, by FDR, and found unconstitutional.

Judicial Procedures Reform Bill of 1937 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

20. Using the Federal government to punish political opponents is inherently wrong.
Using Federal agents to protect Federal property from rioters is legal/lawful. i.e. the law says "DHS shall protect..."

So States Rights are fine for what? Abortion? Guns? But not Immigration. There the States MUST enforce Immigration law. Um. You know that is unconstitutional right? It is called an Unfunded Mandate. If you want the Local Cops to enforce Immigration Law, you have to pay for it. That is why the Sheriff's no longer do Background Checks for the Brady Law. They were mandated to do so, but never reimbursed for the expense, and the Supreme Court ruled it was unconstitutional to require that. Now, the FBI manages it. It is their problem. Why if we don't require the County Sheriff's to oversee a phone call to check if someone is eligible to buy a weapon, do we expect those same cops to enforce Immigration laws?

Courts have regularly held that ICE Detainer Requests are Unconstitutional. In fact, the Police themselves can be found liable, criminally and Civilly, for holding someone for ICE based upon a Detainer Request.

Now, help me out here. Where in the Constitution does it say that local cops have to heed the Detainer Requests? It doesn't, which is why several courts and even ICE themselves have agreed that it is a voluntary request. A voluntary request. Think about that. ICE says that the request has no legal validity. But you want to punish the States and Cities for not obeying an unconstitutional voluntary request.

All laws derive their authority from the Constitution.

Healthcare is not rationed? Really? Great. Explain how you get on the Transplant list for a heart. First, you have to be diagnosed by a Doctor. Then the Doctor has to fill out forms to the Transplant Committee. That Committee will decide first, if you even get on the list. Second, where on the list you should go. Let's say you're a smoker who has a history many years ago of doing drugs. Guess what, down on the list you go, if you make it on the list. Your life will end without you even getting near the top to the next available.

People die every day waiting on transplants. So how is that not rationed? One heart, a hundred patients who need it. Or is it based upon who can pay? If so, our health care system and the transplant lists are just what? Kabuki theater to make sure the Rich keep getting our organs when we die?

Supply and Demand has been in effect since the first days of anything. When Demand outstrips supply, there is always a way to ration the care. And it is rationed through those systems like Transplant lists. Doubt me? Look it up yourself. https://www.ucsfhealth.org/education/faq-heart-transplant

Where you end up on the list depends on how many risk factors you have, if you have too many, no list for you. You just die. So tell me that is not rationed care?

1. State's Rights do NOT include any immigration authority. That's just the way it is.

Federal vs. State Immigration Laws - FindLaw

Immigration is regulated at the federal level, chiefly under the rules established in 1952 with the passage of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA).

immigration.findlaw.com

Red states support immigration law, Blue states violate immigration law. A phone call or two to ICE about a dangerous criminal is NOT that expensive. Tell the Steinle family its an "unfunded mandate". Its not enforcing immigration law, its a few phone calls to save lives.

2. ICE detainers are legal. Its a fucking phone call after they are arrested, but before they are released, its a "courtesy call".

Detainers

www.ice.gov

An ICE detainer request is just that: a request. There is no legal requirement for your department to comply. The federal government has no legal right to force your department to hold anyone beyond the time when they are eligible for release from state or local custody.

3. I was talking about routine healthcare not being rationed, not rare transplants. Organs are NOT RATIONED, they rarely become available. Its an availability issue, not a healthcare rationing issue.

If the suspect has a warrant the police hold them. They are required to. Perfectly constitutional. A phone call to ICE before you release them is another problem. If asked to hold the guy you are holding them without charges. That is a crime. It is called illegally detaining someone.

Now if ICE had proof this guy was dangerous they could get a warrant. But they don’t want a warrant. A warrant means lawyers and a trial about the crimes. They want the dangerous criminal as you call him deported not in prison for his crimes. That way the dangerous criminal can come back across the border.

So this outrage over these dangerous criminals is false. It is hyperbole. ICE does not want to make sure he pays for the taps and murders he may have committed. They just want him gone. That does not protect anyone. How many times have we seen a guy who was deported more than once?

If they were so determined to make sure this dangerous criminal was safely away from the citizens they would insure he was charged with the crime and a warrant was issued. That way even the cops in Berkeley would hold him if they found him. Failure to hold onto a guy who has a warrant is also a crime. Then you could have a real complaint against the sanctuary cities.

Right now your real complaint is against ICE who is determined to insure the guy is free to return across the border instead of sending him to prison for his crimes.

 

[BluesLegend]

Democrats want to raise my taxes, that's enough for me to vote against every Dem candidate and ballot initiative. The scheming scumbags can pound sand.

 

[Jets]

Politics is a zero sum game. Internecine caterwauling is the rule rather than the exception. Tribalism keeps us at each other. Compromise between parties is an anathema. The minority demands values of the opposition until they become the majority.

The duopoly is beyond ecstatic....

 

[22lcidw]

Yes, another pox on both their houses post.

Core Beliefs are those things that you believe and can easily defend. An example may be in order. A Christian can easily explain and discuss their beliefs. They truly believe. They do not have to consult with someone else, they believe. And nothing will shake those beliefs. Examples of it in Politics would be Ronald Reagan.

Ronald Reagan believed in Conservative Values. He believed that tax cuts were good for the country. He believed a strong defense would good for the country, and the world. Reagan could sit down and explain those beliefs with ease, because he didn't need talking points. He knew what he believed. Take the tax cuts. Reagan had a Democratic Congress. Not a Democratic House and Republican Senate. They were both controlled by Democrats. Yet he was able to get his tax cuts through this Congress that declared it dead on arrival. If you think Nancy Pelosi is a powerhouse in the House, you have no idea what it was like when Tip O'Neil was in charge. Tip controlled the House with an iron fist. This was before the days of Rush Limbaugh, and long before Fox News. Yet Reagan went and addressed the people, and got so much support he got it through the Congress to the fury of the Democrats.

Star Wars, or the Strategic Defense Initiative. Another Dead on Arrival idea of Reagan's. He had opposition from the Democrats. Opposition from some of the biggest names in the news, and science. Everyone was talking day and night about how it could never work, it would be a huge boondoggle. Yet, Reagan again went out and using those Core Beliefs, talked to the people, and told them that it did not make sense to have a gun pointed at your head, while pointing a gun at someone else's head. Reagan was a staunch anti-Communist who actually liked the Russian People. His faith in God showed him to hate the people was idiotic.

Core Beliefs are easy to see when someone has them. The problem is that no political figure has anything we would recognize as a core belief these days. They are fully in on Winning. They are completely opposed to losing. Everything else is negotiable. And in the meantime we have become the political equivalent of a High School Homecoming Football game. One side shouts go Blue. The other side shouts Go Red. If they are winning, it is because their side is cheating. If you're winning, it's because your team is better.

Take the Riots. For decades Conservatives argued about States Rights, and unwarranted Government Intrusion. The Left always argued that the Federal Government should have a larger role in the nation. Chaffing about the States Rights nonsense. Conservatives still believe in States Rights, on Abortion, but not on Guns. They believe in States Rights on Death Penalty, but not on School Curriculum. And now, they are about two inches away from supporting the Federalizing of Police. A couple decades ago Conservatives would have rioted themselves to prevent that. So what changed?

There is a story, almost certainly untrue, that may actually reflect the attitudes of the people involved. Bill Clinton was elected and getting sworn in. During the parade and event, a flight of Military Fighters flew overhead. One of the new Administration glared upwards and said. "What are they doing here, we don't want them." A person next to him said. "Shush. Those are our planes now."

It is coming down to who supports and opposes what is essentially an oppressive Government depends on who is in power. When it is the Democrats in power, why we need to open fire on those damned Bundy loons who dare defy the Federal Government. When it is the Republicans holding the halls of power, why we need to open fire on those damned protestors and rioters. In other words, the only core belief either side truly has, is a desire to see the other side destroyed.

FDR called the Republicans the Loyal Opposition. He had Republicans in his administration. Frank Knox, the Secretary of the Navy as one example. FDR understood that the Republicans were just as clannish as the Democrats, but they were Americans too. Truman also had Republicans in his administration. Somewhere, somehow the attitudes changed. I don't know why I said somewhere, or somehow. It was the Impeachment of Bill Clinton. Ever since then the political parties have become more and more polarized. Each side wants to get revenge for the insults and slights that happened when they were not in power.

The only core belief evident is that each side wants to win, and destroy the other. That isn't America. That isn't the nation our grandparents and previous generations wanted us to have. It is the same conditions where we see violence breaking out among rival sects in second and third world nations. Think about that.

This is 2020, not 1980, not 1940. Progs control much of the nation today. Non Progs are like an anchor that is not stopping them but it is slowing the movement down. I will end up going back to my tribe as you will go to yours when the time comes. You and your ugly azz propaganda laced morons will never, ever force me to not be proud of my background.

 

[kyzr]

This 2020 election is about the future of the country. What type of country do you want to live in. A country that is pretty much the way it has always been, or a new kind of socialist one-party rule dictatorship.
If the democrats win, their policies of open borders and free everything will transform the US into Communist China or Venezuela.
Look thru these democrat policies and think about how they will affect the US.
1. Open borders, tear down the southern border fence/wall
2. Sanctuary cities & states

I never understood the argument against the Sanctuary Cities. Supreme Court Decisions have routinely stated that Immigration is the responsibility of the Federal Government. Only the Federal Government has the authority to enact Immigration policy or enforcement. Yet, the party of States Rights is infuriated when the States or Cities refuse to lift a finger to assist the ICE agents. What they are saying is they wash their hands of the mess, and it's your problem. They don't hide Illegals, they just say they will not help you find them. And don't complain they are breaking the law, the law says the Feds are the ones who can implement and enforce Immigration Policy.

3. Free college

Ok, how does that happen? They don't know either. But one thing that will happen is that Congress, even a Democratic Congress would hold hearings on Big Education wanting to know why it cost so much of the Taxpayers money to go to school. Colleges would have to justify their expenses and costs.

4. "Medicare for all", aka rationed healthcare, "Lois Lerner" in charge of your access to healthcare

Do you think that healthcare is not rationed now? Right now using the Opioid Crisis the Feds are strangling the Pain Patients access to medication. These chronic pain patients are suffering while the Trump Administration shrugs and says they have to do it to fight the Opioid Crisis. Aren't we supposed to provide access to care for those who need it? And guess what? Transplant lists are rationed care. A larger demand than supply, and that has been the case forever.

The truth is that Rationed Care is always an issue. The Doctor who performed the surgery removing the Brain Tumor from Senator Kennedy is arguably the best in the world. Yet, he has finite time to treat patients. So he has to ration his time to those who he thinks is worth it. Again, supply and demand means it is always rationed. When you restrict supply, as is being done with Pain Patients, you create the artificial situation that you seem to object to. Where are your posts demanding that Chronic Pain Patients be given the treatments they need? Where are your posts about the Federal Government getting out of the Practice of Medicine? Where are your lists explaining why the DEA has no Medical Knowledge and no idea what the Doctor is doing?

5. Eliminate ICE and DHS, turn the US into the EU, with muslim "no go zones" and Sharia Law

Nuts.

6. Promote Globalism, whatever Wall Street wants Wall Street gets, see K-Street Cash

Dude, have you even paid attention for the last decade? We bailed out the Banks, and essentially Nationalized them We bailed out Wall Street the same way. We Nationalized the Insurance Company ING, and Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. We poured billions into the system. And how? We said we were going to buy the Toxic Assets. The bill passed by Congress and signed by Bush was the Toxic Asset Relief Program. The entire purpose was to buy those toxic mortgages and save Wall Street. Only they never bought any of those assets. Never. They just kept buying the Companies that held them. That was a Republican Secretary of the Treasury. What you are screaming about already happened under Republicans.

7. Paris Climate Change Treaty where the US pays $trillions to poor countries

Holy Hell. You are really ignorant. Republicans pushed for those Trade Agreements. Democrats resisted longer than the Republicans.

8. Stupid trade agreements, e.g tax breaks to move factories overseas

Oh my Lord. you're so ignorant that it boggles the mind. You do know that free trade is one of those Reagan Era arguments. Competition was good for the economy. Free Trade leveled the playing field? Reagan, Bush, Bush, and Trump all agree on that. It is why Trump's clothing for you to buy showing how much you support him is made in China.

9. Let China run roughshod over the US for trade and intellectual property theft
10. Let NK develop nukes and ICBM delivery systems, have no one capable of dealing with NK
11. Raise taxes to 70% on the wealthy, especially on corporations so they relocate overseas
12. Decriminalize all drug use and possession, Opioid deaths increase across the US

The Federal Government required that Sudafed was moved to a controlled substance. So we could track and reduce the manufacturing of Crystal Meth. It has had a marked effect. Crystal Meth production and availability has increased by a thousand percent according to the DEA who wants more money to fight the Crystal Meth issue. Those who are overdosing on Opioids are not getting them from the Doctor. Ok, about 1% are. So the Federal Answer under Trump has been to restrict Opioids and cause suffering in people. How the hell is that better?

13. Gangs like MS-13 running rampant across the US
14. No steel or mining industries due to foreign "dumping" of subsidized products
15. No new pipelines and no offshore drilling
16. Medicare for all means rural hospitals will close

Rural Hospitals are closing. 70 have closed in the last decade, and more are at risk. Why? They can't compete with the larger city hospitals to get into the Preferred Provider Networks. So they try to exist as Out of Network facilities. But they aren't able to because basically they would only treat emergency patients, and they are not large enough, nor rich enough to manage a Trauma Center. Now, how could it be worse under Medicare for All? Seriously. At least that way every doctor would be in network, including the ones at the Rural Hospitals.

17. The dems' "Central Committee" appoints super-delegates to subvert real voters in primaries
18. Pack the US Supreme Court to promote liberal policies

As opposed to packing the court to promote Conservative Agendas? Why is it wrong to do one but right to do the other?

19. Impeach anyone they deem not liberal enough, like Kavanaugh
20. Use the Federal Government to punish conservatives, like the IRS and Lois Lerner hounded conservatives

As opposed to using the Federal Government to crack skulls of Protestors and all that? Tell me again the difference?

21. Use the Intel community to spy on the opposition party, like Hillary, FusionGPS, and the FBI/DOJ spied on Trump
22. Block voter ID laws to ensure fraud, and promote "vote harvesting" to steal elections
23. Refuse to provide funding for border walls/security, which DHS says is desperately needed.
24. Give $Trillions to Mexico and Central America for a Marshal Plan, but not help US citizens living in tent cities
25. Impose gun control, outlaw private gun sales, outlaw AR style rifles, restrict sales of bullets, etc.
26. "Green New Deal" Impose a "carbon tax" to punish anyone who works, heats their home, flies, or has a car
27. Anti-business democrat socialists caused Amazon to flee NYC taking 25,000 good paying jobs to VA
28. REPARATIONS to blacks to pay for slavery, $trillions owed by US voters
29. Excuse the murder of unwanted newborns, i.e. "infanticide"
30. Change the Electoral College to popular vote
31. All prisoners get to vote, even the Boston Marathon Bomber, so says Bernie
32. Trannys back in the military
33. Increase domestic surveillance, especially on "white supremacist" organizations
34. Add Senators and congressmen for DC and Puerto Rico
35. Be sure that any "red flag" laws exclude gang members (only get those rural guns)
36. Full welfare and free healthcare for illegal immigrants
37. Eliminate Hallmark channel for being racist, sexist and anti-LGBTQ
38. Eliminate the "cash bail system" whereby all criminals walk out after committing a crime.
39. Nationalize all of the electric utilities making them green by 2030
40. Pass "The New Way Forward Act", bringing back 480,000 deported illegals, giving them free everything
41. Defund all police departments

Joe Biden has a plan for that

Not a joke, folks: He’s running on a transformative policy agenda.

www.vox.com

If anything, you are proving my point. On almost all of those issues the Republicans are no better than the Democrats. I just got tired of pointing out your hypocrisy. As another example. Puerto Rico has consistantly voted not to become a state. Making them one when they do not want it would be a can of worms the Democrats don't want. DC would require a Constitutional Amendment. The Constitution, that document you are so ignorant of, and apparently detest with a passion, is not quite dead yet, although you extremists on both sides who believe your own propaganda are trying valiantly to kill it.

2. The argument against sanctuary cities is that criminal illegals rape, rob, and murder when they should have been deported. You can research the various cases. The blood of victims is on the local government's hands.

San Francisco pier killing suspect found not guilty of murder

Donald Trump seized on the case during the campaign as proof that the U.S. needs his proposed border wall.

www.nbcnews.com

3. Free college and free healthcare for illegals is a democrat promise.

The Other College Scandal: Free Tuition for Illegal Aliens

In the recent “Operation Varsity Blues” college admissions scandal, wealthy parents allegedly bought their children’s way into accredited universities by bribing admissions officials and submitting illegitimate standardized exam scores--consequently limiting spots for more deserving, less...

www.irli.org

4. Healthcare is not rationed now, its pay for service, unless you have health insurance. If you think its bad now, just wait until hospitals close due to low "Medicare" reimbursements, and they get swamped by illegals looking for free healthcare. Chronic pain patients get the medication they need and is medically justified.

6. Promote globalism. Just look at the Bidens. Hunter getting $83,000 a month from Burisma. Then Hunter gets $1,500,000,000 from China to "invest". I like Trump's populist agenda of punishing China and bringing jobs back to the US. (now Biden plagiarized Trump "populist" agenda?????)

7. You are wrong about the Paris Climate Change "Treaty". Obama approved because he couldn't get Senate approval.

The Paris Agreement Is a Treaty. Treat It as Such. | National Review

Too many issues have been entrusted to unaccountable cliques that purport to know better how to run people’s lives than the people do.

www.nationalreview.com

8. You are wrong again about Trade Agreements. Its not just "free trade" that matters, but "fair trade". China has a $500b a year trade surplus. Tell me that's "fair". Trump, Navarro, and Lightheizer are doing God's work.

12. Look at the reduction of opioid deaths under Trump. Its not just meth, its also fentanyl.

16. The number of US hospitals has held fairly constant since 1975. Medicare for all would close rural hospitals.

Rural Hospitals Say ‘Medicare For All’ Would End Up 'Closing Our Doors'

Hospital administrators from Texas to Maine say adopting a single-payer government health care program that covers all Americans would force more rural hospitals to close.

www.wbur.org

18. Pack the supreme court. That has been tried, by FDR, and found unconstitutional.

Judicial Procedures Reform Bill of 1937 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

20. Using the Federal government to punish political opponents is inherently wrong.
Using Federal agents to protect Federal property from rioters is legal/lawful. i.e. the law says "DHS shall protect..."

So States Rights are fine for what? Abortion? Guns? But not Immigration. There the States MUST enforce Immigration law. Um. You know that is unconstitutional right? It is called an Unfunded Mandate. If you want the Local Cops to enforce Immigration Law, you have to pay for it. That is why the Sheriff's no longer do Background Checks for the Brady Law. They were mandated to do so, but never reimbursed for the expense, and the Supreme Court ruled it was unconstitutional to require that. Now, the FBI manages it. It is their problem. Why if we don't require the County Sheriff's to oversee a phone call to check if someone is eligible to buy a weapon, do we expect those same cops to enforce Immigration laws?

Courts have regularly held that ICE Detainer Requests are Unconstitutional. In fact, the Police themselves can be found liable, criminally and Civilly, for holding someone for ICE based upon a Detainer Request.

Now, help me out here. Where in the Constitution does it say that local cops have to heed the Detainer Requests? It doesn't, which is why several courts and even ICE themselves have agreed that it is a voluntary request. A voluntary request. Think about that. ICE says that the request has no legal validity. But you want to punish the States and Cities for not obeying an unconstitutional voluntary request.

All laws derive their authority from the Constitution.

Healthcare is not rationed? Really? Great. Explain how you get on the Transplant list for a heart. First, you have to be diagnosed by a Doctor. Then the Doctor has to fill out forms to the Transplant Committee. That Committee will decide first, if you even get on the list. Second, where on the list you should go. Let's say you're a smoker who has a history many years ago of doing drugs. Guess what, down on the list you go, if you make it on the list. Your life will end without you even getting near the top to the next available.

People die every day waiting on transplants. So how is that not rationed? One heart, a hundred patients who need it. Or is it based upon who can pay? If so, our health care system and the transplant lists are just what? Kabuki theater to make sure the Rich keep getting our organs when we die?

Supply and Demand has been in effect since the first days of anything. When Demand outstrips supply, there is always a way to ration the care. And it is rationed through those systems like Transplant lists. Doubt me? Look it up yourself. https://www.ucsfhealth.org/education/faq-heart-transplant

Where you end up on the list depends on how many risk factors you have, if you have too many, no list for you. You just die. So tell me that is not rationed care?

1. State's Rights do NOT include any immigration authority. That's just the way it is.

Federal vs. State Immigration Laws - FindLaw

Immigration is regulated at the federal level, chiefly under the rules established in 1952 with the passage of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA).

immigration.findlaw.com

Red states support immigration law, Blue states violate immigration law. A phone call or two to ICE about a dangerous criminal is NOT that expensive. Tell the Steinle family its an "unfunded mandate". Its not enforcing immigration law, its a few phone calls to save lives.

2. ICE detainers are legal. Its a fucking phone call after they are arrested, but before they are released, its a "courtesy call".

Detainers

www.ice.gov

An ICE detainer request is just that: a request. There is no legal requirement for your department to comply. The federal government has no legal right to force your department to hold anyone beyond the time when they are eligible for release from state or local custody.

3. I was talking about routine healthcare not being rationed, not rare transplants. Organs are NOT RATIONED, they rarely become available. Its an availability issue, not a healthcare rationing issue.

If the suspect has a warrant the police hold them. They are required to. Perfectly constitutional. A phone call to ICE before you release them is another problem. If asked to hold the guy you are holding them without charges. That is a crime. It is called illegally detaining someone.

Now if ICE had proof this guy was dangerous they could get a warrant. But they don’t want a warrant. A warrant means lawyers and a trial about the crimes. They want the dangerous criminal as you call him deported not in prison for his crimes. That way the dangerous criminal can come back across the border.

So this outrage over these dangerous criminals is false. It is hyperbole. ICE does not want to make sure he pays for the taps and murders he may have committed. They just want him gone. That does not protect anyone. How many times have we seen a guy who was deported more than once?

If they were so determined to make sure this dangerous criminal was safely away from the citizens they would insure he was charged with the crime and a warrant was issued. That way even the cops in Berkeley would hold him if they found him. Failure to hold onto a guy who has a warrant is also a crime. Then you could have a real complaint against the sanctuary cities.

Right now your real complaint is against ICE who is determined to insure the guy is free to return across the border instead of sending him to prison for his crimes.

We generally agree. Many of the detainees are DUIs. Then they get out and either get deported or commit a crime that shouldn't have happened. Either they kill a family under another DUI, or shoot/rape/rob someone. I'm not a fan of sanctuary cities. WTF do the dems hope to achieve by keeping illegal criminals in their cities?????

 

[SavannahMann]

This 2020 election is about the future of the country. What type of country do you want to live in. A country that is pretty much the way it has always been, or a new kind of socialist one-party rule dictatorship.
If the democrats win, their policies of open borders and free everything will transform the US into Communist China or Venezuela.
Look thru these democrat policies and think about how they will affect the US.
1. Open borders, tear down the southern border fence/wall
2. Sanctuary cities & states

I never understood the argument against the Sanctuary Cities. Supreme Court Decisions have routinely stated that Immigration is the responsibility of the Federal Government. Only the Federal Government has the authority to enact Immigration policy or enforcement. Yet, the party of States Rights is infuriated when the States or Cities refuse to lift a finger to assist the ICE agents. What they are saying is they wash their hands of the mess, and it's your problem. They don't hide Illegals, they just say they will not help you find them. And don't complain they are breaking the law, the law says the Feds are the ones who can implement and enforce Immigration Policy.

3. Free college

Ok, how does that happen? They don't know either. But one thing that will happen is that Congress, even a Democratic Congress would hold hearings on Big Education wanting to know why it cost so much of the Taxpayers money to go to school. Colleges would have to justify their expenses and costs.

4. "Medicare for all", aka rationed healthcare, "Lois Lerner" in charge of your access to healthcare

Do you think that healthcare is not rationed now? Right now using the Opioid Crisis the Feds are strangling the Pain Patients access to medication. These chronic pain patients are suffering while the Trump Administration shrugs and says they have to do it to fight the Opioid Crisis. Aren't we supposed to provide access to care for those who need it? And guess what? Transplant lists are rationed care. A larger demand than supply, and that has been the case forever.

The truth is that Rationed Care is always an issue. The Doctor who performed the surgery removing the Brain Tumor from Senator Kennedy is arguably the best in the world. Yet, he has finite time to treat patients. So he has to ration his time to those who he thinks is worth it. Again, supply and demand means it is always rationed. When you restrict supply, as is being done with Pain Patients, you create the artificial situation that you seem to object to. Where are your posts demanding that Chronic Pain Patients be given the treatments they need? Where are your posts about the Federal Government getting out of the Practice of Medicine? Where are your lists explaining why the DEA has no Medical Knowledge and no idea what the Doctor is doing?

5. Eliminate ICE and DHS, turn the US into the EU, with muslim "no go zones" and Sharia Law

Nuts.

6. Promote Globalism, whatever Wall Street wants Wall Street gets, see K-Street Cash

Dude, have you even paid attention for the last decade? We bailed out the Banks, and essentially Nationalized them We bailed out Wall Street the same way. We Nationalized the Insurance Company ING, and Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. We poured billions into the system. And how? We said we were going to buy the Toxic Assets. The bill passed by Congress and signed by Bush was the Toxic Asset Relief Program. The entire purpose was to buy those toxic mortgages and save Wall Street. Only they never bought any of those assets. Never. They just kept buying the Companies that held them. That was a Republican Secretary of the Treasury. What you are screaming about already happened under Republicans.

7. Paris Climate Change Treaty where the US pays $trillions to poor countries

Holy Hell. You are really ignorant. Republicans pushed for those Trade Agreements. Democrats resisted longer than the Republicans.

8. Stupid trade agreements, e.g tax breaks to move factories overseas

Oh my Lord. you're so ignorant that it boggles the mind. You do know that free trade is one of those Reagan Era arguments. Competition was good for the economy. Free Trade leveled the playing field? Reagan, Bush, Bush, and Trump all agree on that. It is why Trump's clothing for you to buy showing how much you support him is made in China.

9. Let China run roughshod over the US for trade and intellectual property theft
10. Let NK develop nukes and ICBM delivery systems, have no one capable of dealing with NK
11. Raise taxes to 70% on the wealthy, especially on corporations so they relocate overseas
12. Decriminalize all drug use and possession, Opioid deaths increase across the US

The Federal Government required that Sudafed was moved to a controlled substance. So we could track and reduce the manufacturing of Crystal Meth. It has had a marked effect. Crystal Meth production and availability has increased by a thousand percent according to the DEA who wants more money to fight the Crystal Meth issue. Those who are overdosing on Opioids are not getting them from the Doctor. Ok, about 1% are. So the Federal Answer under Trump has been to restrict Opioids and cause suffering in people. How the hell is that better?

13. Gangs like MS-13 running rampant across the US
14. No steel or mining industries due to foreign "dumping" of subsidized products
15. No new pipelines and no offshore drilling
16. Medicare for all means rural hospitals will close

Rural Hospitals are closing. 70 have closed in the last decade, and more are at risk. Why? They can't compete with the larger city hospitals to get into the Preferred Provider Networks. So they try to exist as Out of Network facilities. But they aren't able to because basically they would only treat emergency patients, and they are not large enough, nor rich enough to manage a Trauma Center. Now, how could it be worse under Medicare for All? Seriously. At least that way every doctor would be in network, including the ones at the Rural Hospitals.

17. The dems' "Central Committee" appoints super-delegates to subvert real voters in primaries
18. Pack the US Supreme Court to promote liberal policies

As opposed to packing the court to promote Conservative Agendas? Why is it wrong to do one but right to do the other?

19. Impeach anyone they deem not liberal enough, like Kavanaugh
20. Use the Federal Government to punish conservatives, like the IRS and Lois Lerner hounded conservatives

As opposed to using the Federal Government to crack skulls of Protestors and all that? Tell me again the difference?

21. Use the Intel community to spy on the opposition party, like Hillary, FusionGPS, and the FBI/DOJ spied on Trump
22. Block voter ID laws to ensure fraud, and promote "vote harvesting" to steal elections
23. Refuse to provide funding for border walls/security, which DHS says is desperately needed.
24. Give $Trillions to Mexico and Central America for a Marshal Plan, but not help US citizens living in tent cities
25. Impose gun control, outlaw private gun sales, outlaw AR style rifles, restrict sales of bullets, etc.
26. "Green New Deal" Impose a "carbon tax" to punish anyone who works, heats their home, flies, or has a car
27. Anti-business democrat socialists caused Amazon to flee NYC taking 25,000 good paying jobs to VA
28. REPARATIONS to blacks to pay for slavery, $trillions owed by US voters
29. Excuse the murder of unwanted newborns, i.e. "infanticide"
30. Change the Electoral College to popular vote
31. All prisoners get to vote, even the Boston Marathon Bomber, so says Bernie
32. Trannys back in the military
33. Increase domestic surveillance, especially on "white supremacist" organizations
34. Add Senators and congressmen for DC and Puerto Rico
35. Be sure that any "red flag" laws exclude gang members (only get those rural guns)
36. Full welfare and free healthcare for illegal immigrants
37. Eliminate Hallmark channel for being racist, sexist and anti-LGBTQ
38. Eliminate the "cash bail system" whereby all criminals walk out after committing a crime.
39. Nationalize all of the electric utilities making them green by 2030
40. Pass "The New Way Forward Act", bringing back 480,000 deported illegals, giving them free everything
41. Defund all police departments

Joe Biden has a plan for that

Not a joke, folks: He’s running on a transformative policy agenda.

www.vox.com

If anything, you are proving my point. On almost all of those issues the Republicans are no better than the Democrats. I just got tired of pointing out your hypocrisy. As another example. Puerto Rico has consistantly voted not to become a state. Making them one when they do not want it would be a can of worms the Democrats don't want. DC would require a Constitutional Amendment. The Constitution, that document you are so ignorant of, and apparently detest with a passion, is not quite dead yet, although you extremists on both sides who believe your own propaganda are trying valiantly to kill it.

2. The argument against sanctuary cities is that criminal illegals rape, rob, and murder when they should have been deported. You can research the various cases. The blood of victims is on the local government's hands.

San Francisco pier killing suspect found not guilty of murder

Donald Trump seized on the case during the campaign as proof that the U.S. needs his proposed border wall.

www.nbcnews.com

3. Free college and free healthcare for illegals is a democrat promise.

The Other College Scandal: Free Tuition for Illegal Aliens

In the recent “Operation Varsity Blues” college admissions scandal, wealthy parents allegedly bought their children’s way into accredited universities by bribing admissions officials and submitting illegitimate standardized exam scores--consequently limiting spots for more deserving, less...

www.irli.org

4. Healthcare is not rationed now, its pay for service, unless you have health insurance. If you think its bad now, just wait until hospitals close due to low "Medicare" reimbursements, and they get swamped by illegals looking for free healthcare. Chronic pain patients get the medication they need and is medically justified.

6. Promote globalism. Just look at the Bidens. Hunter getting $83,000 a month from Burisma. Then Hunter gets $1,500,000,000 from China to "invest". I like Trump's populist agenda of punishing China and bringing jobs back to the US. (now Biden plagiarized Trump "populist" agenda?????)

7. You are wrong about the Paris Climate Change "Treaty". Obama approved because he couldn't get Senate approval.

The Paris Agreement Is a Treaty. Treat It as Such. | National Review

Too many issues have been entrusted to unaccountable cliques that purport to know better how to run people’s lives than the people do.

www.nationalreview.com

8. You are wrong again about Trade Agreements. Its not just "free trade" that matters, but "fair trade". China has a $500b a year trade surplus. Tell me that's "fair". Trump, Navarro, and Lightheizer are doing God's work.

12. Look at the reduction of opioid deaths under Trump. Its not just meth, its also fentanyl.

16. The number of US hospitals has held fairly constant since 1975. Medicare for all would close rural hospitals.

Rural Hospitals Say ‘Medicare For All’ Would End Up 'Closing Our Doors'

Hospital administrators from Texas to Maine say adopting a single-payer government health care program that covers all Americans would force more rural hospitals to close.

www.wbur.org

18. Pack the supreme court. That has been tried, by FDR, and found unconstitutional.

Judicial Procedures Reform Bill of 1937 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

20. Using the Federal government to punish political opponents is inherently wrong.
Using Federal agents to protect Federal property from rioters is legal/lawful. i.e. the law says "DHS shall protect..."

So States Rights are fine for what? Abortion? Guns? But not Immigration. There the States MUST enforce Immigration law. Um. You know that is unconstitutional right? It is called an Unfunded Mandate. If you want the Local Cops to enforce Immigration Law, you have to pay for it. That is why the Sheriff's no longer do Background Checks for the Brady Law. They were mandated to do so, but never reimbursed for the expense, and the Supreme Court ruled it was unconstitutional to require that. Now, the FBI manages it. It is their problem. Why if we don't require the County Sheriff's to oversee a phone call to check if someone is eligible to buy a weapon, do we expect those same cops to enforce Immigration laws?

Courts have regularly held that ICE Detainer Requests are Unconstitutional. In fact, the Police themselves can be found liable, criminally and Civilly, for holding someone for ICE based upon a Detainer Request.

Now, help me out here. Where in the Constitution does it say that local cops have to heed the Detainer Requests? It doesn't, which is why several courts and even ICE themselves have agreed that it is a voluntary request. A voluntary request. Think about that. ICE says that the request has no legal validity. But you want to punish the States and Cities for not obeying an unconstitutional voluntary request.

All laws derive their authority from the Constitution.

Healthcare is not rationed? Really? Great. Explain how you get on the Transplant list for a heart. First, you have to be diagnosed by a Doctor. Then the Doctor has to fill out forms to the Transplant Committee. That Committee will decide first, if you even get on the list. Second, where on the list you should go. Let's say you're a smoker who has a history many years ago of doing drugs. Guess what, down on the list you go, if you make it on the list. Your life will end without you even getting near the top to the next available.

People die every day waiting on transplants. So how is that not rationed? One heart, a hundred patients who need it. Or is it based upon who can pay? If so, our health care system and the transplant lists are just what? Kabuki theater to make sure the Rich keep getting our organs when we die?

Supply and Demand has been in effect since the first days of anything. When Demand outstrips supply, there is always a way to ration the care. And it is rationed through those systems like Transplant lists. Doubt me? Look it up yourself. https://www.ucsfhealth.org/education/faq-heart-transplant

Where you end up on the list depends on how many risk factors you have, if you have too many, no list for you. You just die. So tell me that is not rationed care?

1. State's Rights do NOT include any immigration authority. That's just the way it is.

Federal vs. State Immigration Laws - FindLaw

Immigration is regulated at the federal level, chiefly under the rules established in 1952 with the passage of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA).

immigration.findlaw.com

Red states support immigration law, Blue states violate immigration law. A phone call or two to ICE about a dangerous criminal is NOT that expensive. Tell the Steinle family its an "unfunded mandate". Its not enforcing immigration law, its a few phone calls to save lives.

2. ICE detainers are legal. Its a fucking phone call after they are arrested, but before they are released, its a "courtesy call".

Detainers

www.ice.gov

An ICE detainer request is just that: a request. There is no legal requirement for your department to comply. The federal government has no legal right to force your department to hold anyone beyond the time when they are eligible for release from state or local custody.

3. I was talking about routine healthcare not being rationed, not rare transplants. Organs are NOT RATIONED, they rarely become available. Its an availability issue, not a healthcare rationing issue.

If the suspect has a warrant the police hold them. They are required to. Perfectly constitutional. A phone call to ICE before you release them is another problem. If asked to hold the guy you are holding them without charges. That is a crime. It is called illegally detaining someone.

Now if ICE had proof this guy was dangerous they could get a warrant. But they don’t want a warrant. A warrant means lawyers and a trial about the crimes. They want the dangerous criminal as you call him deported not in prison for his crimes. That way the dangerous criminal can come back across the border.

So this outrage over these dangerous criminals is false. It is hyperbole. ICE does not want to make sure he pays for the taps and murders he may have committed. They just want him gone. That does not protect anyone. How many times have we seen a guy who was deported more than once?

If they were so determined to make sure this dangerous criminal was safely away from the citizens they would insure he was charged with the crime and a warrant was issued. That way even the cops in Berkeley would hold him if they found him. Failure to hold onto a guy who has a warrant is also a crime. Then you could have a real complaint against the sanctuary cities.

Right now your real complaint is against ICE who is determined to insure the guy is free to return across the border instead of sending him to prison for his crimes.

We generally agree. Many of the detainees are DUIs. Then they get out and either get deported or commit a crime that shouldn't have happened. Either they kill a family under another DUI, or shoot/rape/rob someone. I'm not a fan of sanctuary cities. WTF do the dems hope to achieve by keeping illegal criminals in their cities?????

So now, instead of dangerous rapists and murderers, we are demanding Sanctuary Cities heed Voluntary Detainer Requests because if they don't, an Illegal Alien will commit a DUI? Seriously?

My ancestors came here when Immigration was essentially open. Ships filled to capacity with poor people from all over Europe. I am sure that if I was ever bored enough, I could find my Great Grandfather's names in the books at Ellis Island. If you've ever seen The Godfather II, you saw the flood of Immigrants that were pouring into this nation at that time.

Racism in those days was against the Drunken Irish who were taking the jobs. Children who were taking the jobs at factories. People who showed up not speaking the language. During World War I, Zimmerman, who had just ascended to the position of Foreign Minister of Germany, said that if the United States went to War, there were a Million German Americans who would rise up and fight right there in America.

Yet, none of them did. Because being American was more important to them than being of German Descent. It only takes a generation or two, if that long for loyalty to a Country that welcomed them starts to win out.

In many of my other posts, I had suggested a similar approach to Immigration today. The Immigration that let my family branches arrive from Norway, England, Ireland, and Scotland. My Father used to talk about his Grandfather who still spoke Norwegian. We could easily set up another Ellis Island type immigrant screening center. I have talked before about the need to screen immigrants for diseases that could decimate the population. Also criminal record checks.

As for why the Cities are taking this approach. Let's be serious. Just for a moment. Let's be serious. Do you really think that ICE is going to round up the millions of Illegals? Do you seriously believe that? Please tell me you aren't that out of touch with reality. If ICE is not going to round up the millions that are here. And we don't know how many millions it is. We have estimates from 10 to 12.5 million. So rounding up five or so percent of the population of this country is just not going to happen. The exact same way it is not going to happen when they start talking about banning guns. There are not enough cops to get them all.

Especially when you consider new ones are coming across the border pretty much every single day. It is impossible. So the reality is that they are here, and like Marijuana users, you have to decide how much effort is wasted in trying to stop it. The Cities and States are shifting to the attitude that Pot is not worth the trouble. No, this does not help me at all. I am allergic to Marijuana. So even if it was sold at every corner store, I would not be using it, unless the idea of intensive care units is an attractive one. A lesson I learned at the age of 14 when I got very ill from Pot.

Now, the disadvantages of going after the Illegals. You say serious crimes. Ok. A murder happens. It is a cop who is killed. The police spread out to find out who saw what, and if anyone knows anything. The only witnesses are illegals. They know if they tell the cops what they saw, they're going to be deported thanks to the zero tolerance nonsense. So they say nothing. They hide from the cops. And a murder goes unsolved. A fire breaks out and the Illegals are afraid of calling 911. A rape, a kidnapped child. A missing woman.

Cops have informants. People ho commit little crimes, and help them solve bigger crimes. Cities and States that have embraced the Sanctuary attitude believe that illegal immigration is a small crime, much smaller than the ones they would have unsolved if they paid attention to it. Does it make sense? Some. There is obviously some truth to it, but I don't think it is the whole answer.

The truth is that Immigration is a complicated issue. One where there are some truths on both sides of the issue, and here is the key. The truths are that both sides are using it as a cudgel to shake at their political enemies. The Left uses it to show how irrational and racist the Right is, and the Right uses it to show the Left is pro criminals and crime. Neither side tells the whole truth, and that is where the core beliefs come in, or the lack of them. Neither side wants to solve the issue. They just want to keep bashing the other side with it. As in the case of Abortion. The Right doesn't want to see it banned any more than the left does. Because the Right does not want to see a million more babies, no matter the color, born to poor who will need food stamps and welfare money. They don't want their mistresses to have the babies that the 90% successful birth control pills allow to happen.

The truth is that both sides are right about most issues, and wrong about most issues. There is some truth to either side, and we cold compromise if we had core beliefs and respect for one another. We have no respect, and we have no core beliefs, and so the problems are never addressed, much less solved

 

[Muhammed]

Pretty accurate post. Both sides do everything they can to sell people that they and they only know what's good for average people y t it's the average people who keep losing ground, even as they work harder and harder.

To your point, only the wealthiest have been gaining wealth, the rest have been losing ground.

Pre-Trump, that was largely true.

Trump's America first policies created a very strong labor market in America. Real wages for hourly workers very predictably increased faster than inflation.

 

[SavannahMann]

Democrats want to raise my taxes, that's enough for me to vote against every Dem candidate and ballot initiative. The scheming scumbags can pound sand.

Ok, we are spending roughly half again as much as we make. A person who had such fiscal irresponsibility would be homeless and bankrupt. How do you suggest we avoid that as a nation? There are two ways of doing so, and the truth, the sad truth, is we are going to have to do it both ways to even begin down that path. We are going to have to cut spending, and make more money.

We are going to have to cut spending. Now, under Bill Clinton, we started a program of jobs training and child care initiatives so that Welfare people could get off of Welfare, and into the workforce. We called it Workfare. Bill Clinton called it one of his successes.

It was not a bad start, and helped get some people off welfare. But the problem is that most of those programs have been underfunded. They just never got enough money to show they could help people get job skills and training to earn a living. So these folks were left in Welfare land where the only jobs they could get were not nearly enough to make ends meet.

If you got a job, a full time job, or even two, and worked your asses off sixteen hours a day, you could make almost as much as you made on Welfare. That does not make much sense. Why kill yourself when you don't have to. The Safety Net of welfare, became a hammock. Jobs training programs needed another stimulus, tax credit for employers who hired these folks, essentially new workers at older ages than usual, and we didn't want to do that did we? Why bother when the program would fail, because we didn't like it.

Then there is the Defense spending. Or National Security Spending. Proponents of strong defense argue it makes up a small percentage of the spending. Well that's almost true isn't it? Besides the spending on the Military, you have spending on every intelligence program someone can think of. Then you have various almost but not quite law enforcement agencies that are getting money. The Department of Education famously had a SWAT team. Why? Nobody could say. Then there are the billions or even trillions spent on the NSA to make sure they can spy on us all. For our protection, of course.

We would need to figure out what we could afford to cut. And that is where everyone starts screaming. Because everyone wants their piece of the pie. We know that more than $40 billion dollars are wasted in redundant programs every year. Because each agency argues that they need this program, for some god forsaken reason, to keep people employed. And every year the Government grows larger. It doesn't matter if it is Republicans or Democrats in charge. Neither of them actually ever cut the size of Government.

If someone points to any Military program, or defense program. no matter how stupid, the Right screams that the left is trying to weaken the nation. Really? We spent $35 billion dollars on the Osprey. A sort of Helicopter and sort of airplane. Now, the units cost a mere $72 Million each. What a bargain. They are faster than a helicopter, and able to land vertically like a helicopter. And so far, the only units using them is the Marines. Oh the Air Force has a few, and the navy is getting a few. But realistically the Marines are the primary and only real user.

The truth is that when we are talking about wasted money on idiotic programs, the Defense Industry is the leader by a large margin. Well that and our determination to bail out businesses that are run by people with contacts in the Government. See Wall Street, and every single Bank in the nation.

Now, if you really did not want folks to raise your taxes, you would insist that Washington live within it's means. Like the family who spent more than they brought in, you could insist that Washington cut and cut and cut some more. But no, just don't raise the taxes, and ignore the fact that we are in debt up to our eyeballs.

 

[kyzr]

This 2020 election is about the future of the country. What type of country do you want to live in. A country that is pretty much the way it has always been, or a new kind of socialist one-party rule dictatorship.
If the democrats win, their policies of open borders and free everything will transform the US into Communist China or Venezuela.
Look thru these democrat policies and think about how they will affect the US.
1. Open borders, tear down the southern border fence/wall
2. Sanctuary cities & states

I never understood the argument against the Sanctuary Cities. Supreme Court Decisions have routinely stated that Immigration is the responsibility of the Federal Government. Only the Federal Government has the authority to enact Immigration policy or enforcement. Yet, the party of States Rights is infuriated when the States or Cities refuse to lift a finger to assist the ICE agents. What they are saying is they wash their hands of the mess, and it's your problem. They don't hide Illegals, they just say they will not help you find them. And don't complain they are breaking the law, the law says the Feds are the ones who can implement and enforce Immigration Policy.

3. Free college

Ok, how does that happen? They don't know either. But one thing that will happen is that Congress, even a Democratic Congress would hold hearings on Big Education wanting to know why it cost so much of the Taxpayers money to go to school. Colleges would have to justify their expenses and costs.

4. "Medicare for all", aka rationed healthcare, "Lois Lerner" in charge of your access to healthcare

Do you think that healthcare is not rationed now? Right now using the Opioid Crisis the Feds are strangling the Pain Patients access to medication. These chronic pain patients are suffering while the Trump Administration shrugs and says they have to do it to fight the Opioid Crisis. Aren't we supposed to provide access to care for those who need it? And guess what? Transplant lists are rationed care. A larger demand than supply, and that has been the case forever.

The truth is that Rationed Care is always an issue. The Doctor who performed the surgery removing the Brain Tumor from Senator Kennedy is arguably the best in the world. Yet, he has finite time to treat patients. So he has to ration his time to those who he thinks is worth it. Again, supply and demand means it is always rationed. When you restrict supply, as is being done with Pain Patients, you create the artificial situation that you seem to object to. Where are your posts demanding that Chronic Pain Patients be given the treatments they need? Where are your posts about the Federal Government getting out of the Practice of Medicine? Where are your lists explaining why the DEA has no Medical Knowledge and no idea what the Doctor is doing?

5. Eliminate ICE and DHS, turn the US into the EU, with muslim "no go zones" and Sharia Law

Nuts.

6. Promote Globalism, whatever Wall Street wants Wall Street gets, see K-Street Cash

Dude, have you even paid attention for the last decade? We bailed out the Banks, and essentially Nationalized them We bailed out Wall Street the same way. We Nationalized the Insurance Company ING, and Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. We poured billions into the system. And how? We said we were going to buy the Toxic Assets. The bill passed by Congress and signed by Bush was the Toxic Asset Relief Program. The entire purpose was to buy those toxic mortgages and save Wall Street. Only they never bought any of those assets. Never. They just kept buying the Companies that held them. That was a Republican Secretary of the Treasury. What you are screaming about already happened under Republicans.

7. Paris Climate Change Treaty where the US pays $trillions to poor countries

Holy Hell. You are really ignorant. Republicans pushed for those Trade Agreements. Democrats resisted longer than the Republicans.

8. Stupid trade agreements, e.g tax breaks to move factories overseas

Oh my Lord. you're so ignorant that it boggles the mind. You do know that free trade is one of those Reagan Era arguments. Competition was good for the economy. Free Trade leveled the playing field? Reagan, Bush, Bush, and Trump all agree on that. It is why Trump's clothing for you to buy showing how much you support him is made in China.

9. Let China run roughshod over the US for trade and intellectual property theft
10. Let NK develop nukes and ICBM delivery systems, have no one capable of dealing with NK
11. Raise taxes to 70% on the wealthy, especially on corporations so they relocate overseas
12. Decriminalize all drug use and possession, Opioid deaths increase across the US

The Federal Government required that Sudafed was moved to a controlled substance. So we could track and reduce the manufacturing of Crystal Meth. It has had a marked effect. Crystal Meth production and availability has increased by a thousand percent according to the DEA who wants more money to fight the Crystal Meth issue. Those who are overdosing on Opioids are not getting them from the Doctor. Ok, about 1% are. So the Federal Answer under Trump has been to restrict Opioids and cause suffering in people. How the hell is that better?

13. Gangs like MS-13 running rampant across the US
14. No steel or mining industries due to foreign "dumping" of subsidized products
15. No new pipelines and no offshore drilling
16. Medicare for all means rural hospitals will close

Rural Hospitals are closing. 70 have closed in the last decade, and more are at risk. Why? They can't compete with the larger city hospitals to get into the Preferred Provider Networks. So they try to exist as Out of Network facilities. But they aren't able to because basically they would only treat emergency patients, and they are not large enough, nor rich enough to manage a Trauma Center. Now, how could it be worse under Medicare for All? Seriously. At least that way every doctor would be in network, including the ones at the Rural Hospitals.

17. The dems' "Central Committee" appoints super-delegates to subvert real voters in primaries
18. Pack the US Supreme Court to promote liberal policies

As opposed to packing the court to promote Conservative Agendas? Why is it wrong to do one but right to do the other?

19. Impeach anyone they deem not liberal enough, like Kavanaugh
20. Use the Federal Government to punish conservatives, like the IRS and Lois Lerner hounded conservatives

As opposed to using the Federal Government to crack skulls of Protestors and all that? Tell me again the difference?

21. Use the Intel community to spy on the opposition party, like Hillary, FusionGPS, and the FBI/DOJ spied on Trump
22. Block voter ID laws to ensure fraud, and promote "vote harvesting" to steal elections
23. Refuse to provide funding for border walls/security, which DHS says is desperately needed.
24. Give $Trillions to Mexico and Central America for a Marshal Plan, but not help US citizens living in tent cities
25. Impose gun control, outlaw private gun sales, outlaw AR style rifles, restrict sales of bullets, etc.
26. "Green New Deal" Impose a "carbon tax" to punish anyone who works, heats their home, flies, or has a car
27. Anti-business democrat socialists caused Amazon to flee NYC taking 25,000 good paying jobs to VA
28. REPARATIONS to blacks to pay for slavery, $trillions owed by US voters
29. Excuse the murder of unwanted newborns, i.e. "infanticide"
30. Change the Electoral College to popular vote
31. All prisoners get to vote, even the Boston Marathon Bomber, so says Bernie
32. Trannys back in the military
33. Increase domestic surveillance, especially on "white supremacist" organizations
34. Add Senators and congressmen for DC and Puerto Rico
35. Be sure that any "red flag" laws exclude gang members (only get those rural guns)
36. Full welfare and free healthcare for illegal immigrants
37. Eliminate Hallmark channel for being racist, sexist and anti-LGBTQ
38. Eliminate the "cash bail system" whereby all criminals walk out after committing a crime.
39. Nationalize all of the electric utilities making them green by 2030
40. Pass "The New Way Forward Act", bringing back 480,000 deported illegals, giving them free everything
41. Defund all police departments

Joe Biden has a plan for that

Not a joke, folks: He’s running on a transformative policy agenda.

www.vox.com

If anything, you are proving my point. On almost all of those issues the Republicans are no better than the Democrats. I just got tired of pointing out your hypocrisy. As another example. Puerto Rico has consistantly voted not to become a state. Making them one when they do not want it would be a can of worms the Democrats don't want. DC would require a Constitutional Amendment. The Constitution, that document you are so ignorant of, and apparently detest with a passion, is not quite dead yet, although you extremists on both sides who believe your own propaganda are trying valiantly to kill it.

2. The argument against sanctuary cities is that criminal illegals rape, rob, and murder when they should have been deported. You can research the various cases. The blood of victims is on the local government's hands.

San Francisco pier killing suspect found not guilty of murder

Donald Trump seized on the case during the campaign as proof that the U.S. needs his proposed border wall.

www.nbcnews.com

3. Free college and free healthcare for illegals is a democrat promise.

The Other College Scandal: Free Tuition for Illegal Aliens

In the recent “Operation Varsity Blues” college admissions scandal, wealthy parents allegedly bought their children’s way into accredited universities by bribing admissions officials and submitting illegitimate standardized exam scores--consequently limiting spots for more deserving, less...

www.irli.org

4. Healthcare is not rationed now, its pay for service, unless you have health insurance. If you think its bad now, just wait until hospitals close due to low "Medicare" reimbursements, and they get swamped by illegals looking for free healthcare. Chronic pain patients get the medication they need and is medically justified.

6. Promote globalism. Just look at the Bidens. Hunter getting $83,000 a month from Burisma. Then Hunter gets $1,500,000,000 from China to "invest". I like Trump's populist agenda of punishing China and bringing jobs back to the US. (now Biden plagiarized Trump "populist" agenda?????)

7. You are wrong about the Paris Climate Change "Treaty". Obama approved because he couldn't get Senate approval.

The Paris Agreement Is a Treaty. Treat It as Such. | National Review

Too many issues have been entrusted to unaccountable cliques that purport to know better how to run people’s lives than the people do.

www.nationalreview.com

8. You are wrong again about Trade Agreements. Its not just "free trade" that matters, but "fair trade". China has a $500b a year trade surplus. Tell me that's "fair". Trump, Navarro, and Lightheizer are doing God's work.

12. Look at the reduction of opioid deaths under Trump. Its not just meth, its also fentanyl.

16. The number of US hospitals has held fairly constant since 1975. Medicare for all would close rural hospitals.

Rural Hospitals Say ‘Medicare For All’ Would End Up 'Closing Our Doors'

Hospital administrators from Texas to Maine say adopting a single-payer government health care program that covers all Americans would force more rural hospitals to close.

www.wbur.org

18. Pack the supreme court. That has been tried, by FDR, and found unconstitutional.

Judicial Procedures Reform Bill of 1937 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

20. Using the Federal government to punish political opponents is inherently wrong.
Using Federal agents to protect Federal property from rioters is legal/lawful. i.e. the law says "DHS shall protect..."

So States Rights are fine for what? Abortion? Guns? But not Immigration. There the States MUST enforce Immigration law. Um. You know that is unconstitutional right? It is called an Unfunded Mandate. If you want the Local Cops to enforce Immigration Law, you have to pay for it. That is why the Sheriff's no longer do Background Checks for the Brady Law. They were mandated to do so, but never reimbursed for the expense, and the Supreme Court ruled it was unconstitutional to require that. Now, the FBI manages it. It is their problem. Why if we don't require the County Sheriff's to oversee a phone call to check if someone is eligible to buy a weapon, do we expect those same cops to enforce Immigration laws?

Courts have regularly held that ICE Detainer Requests are Unconstitutional. In fact, the Police themselves can be found liable, criminally and Civilly, for holding someone for ICE based upon a Detainer Request.

Now, help me out here. Where in the Constitution does it say that local cops have to heed the Detainer Requests? It doesn't, which is why several courts and even ICE themselves have agreed that it is a voluntary request. A voluntary request. Think about that. ICE says that the request has no legal validity. But you want to punish the States and Cities for not obeying an unconstitutional voluntary request.

All laws derive their authority from the Constitution.

Healthcare is not rationed? Really? Great. Explain how you get on the Transplant list for a heart. First, you have to be diagnosed by a Doctor. Then the Doctor has to fill out forms to the Transplant Committee. That Committee will decide first, if you even get on the list. Second, where on the list you should go. Let's say you're a smoker who has a history many years ago of doing drugs. Guess what, down on the list you go, if you make it on the list. Your life will end without you even getting near the top to the next available.

People die every day waiting on transplants. So how is that not rationed? One heart, a hundred patients who need it. Or is it based upon who can pay? If so, our health care system and the transplant lists are just what? Kabuki theater to make sure the Rich keep getting our organs when we die?

Supply and Demand has been in effect since the first days of anything. When Demand outstrips supply, there is always a way to ration the care. And it is rationed through those systems like Transplant lists. Doubt me? Look it up yourself. https://www.ucsfhealth.org/education/faq-heart-transplant

Where you end up on the list depends on how many risk factors you have, if you have too many, no list for you. You just die. So tell me that is not rationed care?

1. State's Rights do NOT include any immigration authority. That's just the way it is.

Federal vs. State Immigration Laws - FindLaw

Immigration is regulated at the federal level, chiefly under the rules established in 1952 with the passage of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA).

immigration.findlaw.com

Red states support immigration law, Blue states violate immigration law. A phone call or two to ICE about a dangerous criminal is NOT that expensive. Tell the Steinle family its an "unfunded mandate". Its not enforcing immigration law, its a few phone calls to save lives.

2. ICE detainers are legal. Its a fucking phone call after they are arrested, but before they are released, its a "courtesy call".

Detainers

www.ice.gov

An ICE detainer request is just that: a request. There is no legal requirement for your department to comply. The federal government has no legal right to force your department to hold anyone beyond the time when they are eligible for release from state or local custody.

3. I was talking about routine healthcare not being rationed, not rare transplants. Organs are NOT RATIONED, they rarely become available. Its an availability issue, not a healthcare rationing issue.

If the suspect has a warrant the police hold them. They are required to. Perfectly constitutional. A phone call to ICE before you release them is another problem. If asked to hold the guy you are holding them without charges. That is a crime. It is called illegally detaining someone.

Now if ICE had proof this guy was dangerous they could get a warrant. But they don’t want a warrant. A warrant means lawyers and a trial about the crimes. They want the dangerous criminal as you call him deported not in prison for his crimes. That way the dangerous criminal can come back across the border.

So this outrage over these dangerous criminals is false. It is hyperbole. ICE does not want to make sure he pays for the taps and murders he may have committed. They just want him gone. That does not protect anyone. How many times have we seen a guy who was deported more than once?

If they were so determined to make sure this dangerous criminal was safely away from the citizens they would insure he was charged with the crime and a warrant was issued. That way even the cops in Berkeley would hold him if they found him. Failure to hold onto a guy who has a warrant is also a crime. Then you could have a real complaint against the sanctuary cities.

Right now your real complaint is against ICE who is determined to insure the guy is free to return across the border instead of sending him to prison for his crimes.

We generally agree. Many of the detainees are DUIs. Then they get out and either get deported or commit a crime that shouldn't have happened. Either they kill a family under another DUI, or shoot/rape/rob someone. I'm not a fan of sanctuary cities. WTF do the dems hope to achieve by keeping illegal criminals in their cities?????

So now, instead of dangerous rapists and murderers, we are demanding Sanctuary Cities heed Voluntary Detainer Requests because if they don't, an Illegal Alien will commit a DUI? Seriously?

My ancestors came here when Immigration was essentially open. Ships filled to capacity with poor people from all over Europe. I am sure that if I was ever bored enough, I could find my Great Grandfather's names in the books at Ellis Island. If you've ever seen The Godfather II, you saw the flood of Immigrants that were pouring into this nation at that time.

Racism in those days was against the Drunken Irish who were taking the jobs. Children who were taking the jobs at factories. People who showed up not speaking the language. During World War I, Zimmerman, who had just ascended to the position of Foreign Minister of Germany, said that if the United States went to War, there were a Million German Americans who would rise up and fight right there in America.

Yet, none of them did. Because being American was more important to them than being of German Descent. It only takes a generation or two, if that long for loyalty to a Country that welcomed them starts to win out.

In many of my other posts, I had suggested a similar approach to Immigration today. The Immigration that let my family branches arrive from Norway, England, Ireland, and Scotland. My Father used to talk about his Grandfather who still spoke Norwegian. We could easily set up another Ellis Island type immigrant screening center. I have talked before about the need to screen immigrants for diseases that could decimate the population. Also criminal record checks.

As for why the Cities are taking this approach. Let's be serious. Just for a moment. Let's be serious. Do you really think that ICE is going to round up the millions of Illegals? Do you seriously believe that? Please tell me you aren't that out of touch with reality. If ICE is not going to round up the millions that are here. And we don't know how many millions it is. We have estimates from 10 to 12.5 million. So rounding up five or so percent of the population of this country is just not going to happen. The exact same way it is not going to happen when they start talking about banning guns. There are not enough cops to get them all.

Especially when you consider new ones are coming across the border pretty much every single day. It is impossible. So the reality is that they are here, and like Marijuana users, you have to decide how much effort is wasted in trying to stop it. The Cities and States are shifting to the attitude that Pot is not worth the trouble. No, this does not help me at all. I am allergic to Marijuana. So even if it was sold at every corner store, I would not be using it, unless the idea of intensive care units is an attractive one. A lesson I learned at the age of 14 when I got very ill from Pot.

Now, the disadvantages of going after the Illegals. You say serious crimes. Ok. A murder happens. It is a cop who is killed. The police spread out to find out who saw what, and if anyone knows anything. The only witnesses are illegals. They know if they tell the cops what they saw, they're going to be deported thanks to the zero tolerance nonsense. So they say nothing. They hide from the cops. And a murder goes unsolved. A fire breaks out and the Illegals are afraid of calling 911. A rape, a kidnapped child. A missing woman.

Cops have informants. People ho commit little crimes, and help them solve bigger crimes. Cities and States that have embraced the Sanctuary attitude believe that illegal immigration is a small crime, much smaller than the ones they would have unsolved if they paid attention to it. Does it make sense? Some. There is obviously some truth to it, but I don't think it is the whole answer.

The truth is that Immigration is a complicated issue. One where there are some truths on both sides of the issue, and here is the key. The truths are that both sides are using it as a cudgel to shake at their political enemies. The Left uses it to show how irrational and racist the Right is, and the Right uses it to show the Left is pro criminals and crime. Neither side tells the whole truth, and that is where the core beliefs come in, or the lack of them. Neither side wants to solve the issue. They just want to keep bashing the other side with it. As in the case of Abortion. The Right doesn't want to see it banned any more than the left does. Because the Right does not want to see a million more babies, no matter the color, born to poor who will need food stamps and welfare money. They don't want their mistresses to have the babies that the 90% successful birth control pills allow to happen.

The truth is that both sides are right about most issues, and wrong about most issues. There is some truth to either side, and we cold compromise if we had core beliefs and respect for one another. We have no respect, and we have no core beliefs, and so the problems are never addressed, much less solved

You have a lot to unpack there. I prefer numbered items to organize the discussion points, so here goes:
1. Immigration is a Federal responsibility, and they enforce immigration Laws, period. A "courtesy" phone call to ICE the day before an illegal criminal is released is not a financial burden, its a fucking phone call.
2. Trump wants "merit based" immigration policy for the workers the US needs, but:

• No catch & release
• No diversity lottery
• No asylum claims unless pre-approved
• No chain migration
• No birthright citizenship, i.e. no cottage industry for anchor babies from Russia & China.
• DACA kids get green cards but NOT citizenship

3. If there are 10m-13m illegals here in the US they had better be law abiding, and self-supporting
4. Keeping illegal criminals here because we need illegal "witnesses" is a dumb argument.
5. Agree that the immigration debate has strange bedfellows. Old money GOP likes the cheap labor. Democrats like the new voters and throw their voters' pay raises under the bus. Agree neither side wants to solve the issue as we saw during Trump's 1st 2-years when Ryan and the Chamber of Commerce stopped immigration reform.
6. I disagree that we can't compromise, but its because the "core beliefs" of the bases are so far apart. Here are the democrat's preferred policies. The Republican's are the polar opposite. So we'll play "ping-pong" with the Laws as both side take their turn running DC.

• Open borders, tear down the southern border fence/wall
• Sanctuary cities & states
• Free college
• "Medicare for all", aka rationed healthcare, "Lois Lerner" in charge of your access to healthcare
• Eliminate ICE and DHS, turn the US into the EU, with muslim "no go zones" and Sharia Law
• Promote Globalism, whatever Wall Street wants Wall Street gets, see K-Street Cash
• Paris Climate Change Treaty where the US pays $trillions to poor countries
• Stupid trade agreements, e.g tax breaks to move factories overseas
• Let China run roughshod over the US for trade and intellectual property theft
• Let NK develop nukes and ICBM delivery systems, have no one capable of dealing with NK
• Raise taxes to 70% on the wealthy, especially on corporations so they relocate overseas
• Decriminalize all drug use and possession, Opioid deaths increase across the US
• Gangs like MS-13 running rampant across the US
• No steel or mining industries due to foreign "dumping" of subsidized products
• No new pipelines and no offshore drilling
• Medicare for all means rural hospitals will close
• The dems' "Central Committee" appoints super-delegates to subvert real voters in primaries
• Pack the US Supreme Court to promote liberal policies
• Impeach anyone they deem not liberal enough, like Kavanaugh
• Use the Federal Government to punish conservatives, like the IRS and Lois Lerner hounded conservatives
• Use the Intel community to spy on the opposition party, like Hillary, FusionGPS, and the FBI/DOJ spied on Trump
• Block voter ID laws to ensure fraud, and promote "vote harvesting" to steal elections
• Refuse to provide funding for border walls/security, which DHS says is desperately needed.
• Give $Trillions to Mexico and Central America for a Marshal Plan, but not help US citizens living in tent cities
• Impose gun control, outlaw private gun sales, outlaw AR style rifles, restrict sales of bullets, etc.
• "Green New Deal" Impose a "carbon tax" to punish anyone who works, heats their home, flies, or has a car
• Anti-business democrat socialists caused Amazon to flee NYC taking 25,000 good paying jobs to VA
• REPARATIONS to blacks to pay for slavery, $trillions owed by US voters
• Excuse the murder of unwanted newborns, i.e. "infanticide"
• Change the Electoral College to popular vote
• All prisoners get to vote, even the Boston Marathon Bomber, so says Bernie
• Trannys back in the military
• Increase domestic surveillance, especially on "white supremacist" organizations
• Add Senators and congressmen for DC and Puerto Rico
• Be sure that any "red flag" laws exclude gang members (only get those rural guns)
• Full welfare and free healthcare for illegal immigrants
• Eliminate Hallmark channel for being racist, sexist and anti-LGBTQ
• Eliminate the "cash bail system" whereby all criminals walk out after committing a crime.
• Nationalize all of the electric utilities making them green by 2030
• Pass "The New Way Forward Act", bringing back 480,000 deported illegals, giving them free everything
• Defund all police departments