Cordray appointment probably illegal

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I though Obama studied law at some point.

Leaving aside the constitutional questions, there is a potential statutory problem with the legality of the Cordray appointment under Dodd-Frank. Section 1066 of Dodd-Frank provides that the Secretary of the Treasury is authorized to perform the functions of the CFPB under the subtitle transferring authority to the CFPB from the other agencies “until the Director of the Bureau is confirmed by the Senate in accordance with Section 1011.” It turns out that section 1011 is a defined term which provides: “The Director shall be appointed by the President, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate.”

This seems to suggest that even if the President might be able to appoint Cordray under the recess power the full grant of statutory authority wouldn’t transfer to the Bureau unless the statutory language was fulfilled as well.

The Volokh Conspiracy » Legality of Cordray Appointment Under Dodd-Frank
 
Leftists, liberals and Democrats do not care if it is legal or illegal. They want Obama to show some fight! Even if it is on an issue nobody gives a shit about. He's been such a disappointment for liberals, they'll take anything- even if it's illegal.

Obama does one thing well- campaign. With this appointment, he's officially kicked his campaign off....
 
Leftists, liberals and Democrats do not care if it is legal or illegal. They want Obama to show some fight! Even if it is on an issue nobody gives a shit about. He's been such a disappointment for liberals, they'll take anything- even if it's illegal.

Obama does one thing well- campaign. With this appointment, he's officially kicked his campaign off....

When did he officially stop his campaign?
 
This bill provides that the individual consumer may no longer sue a financial institution. Their sole remedy is to file a complaint with this agency.

It's the loss of freedom that the liberals like so much.
 
I though Obama studied law at some point.

Leaving aside the constitutional questions, there is a potential statutory problem with the legality of the Cordray appointment under Dodd-Frank. Section 1066 of Dodd-Frank provides that the Secretary of the Treasury is authorized to perform the functions of the CFPB under the subtitle transferring authority to the CFPB from the other agencies “until the Director of the Bureau is confirmed by the Senate in accordance with Section 1011.” It turns out that section 1011 is a defined term which provides: “The Director shall be appointed by the President, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate.”

This seems to suggest that even if the President might be able to appoint Cordray under the recess power the full grant of statutory authority wouldn’t transfer to the Bureau unless the statutory language was fulfilled as well.

The Volokh Conspiracy » Legality of Cordray Appointment Under Dodd-Frank

Nah, the minority does not say when the Senate is in session, and the President has the authority to make a recess appointment. The courts will rule for the president on this one.
 
The Senate was not in recess. If you want to argue that the president has the power to dictate when the senate is in recess and when it's not, that's a different story.
 
If the Dems in power in the Senate says it was in recess, the minority cannot overrule it. Minority interp does not rule in this case. The courts will rule for the Dems. Republicans have many other problems without fighting a losing one like this.
 
I though Obama studied law at some point.

Leaving aside the constitutional questions, there is a potential statutory problem with the legality of the Cordray appointment under Dodd-Frank. Section 1066 of Dodd-Frank provides that the Secretary of the Treasury is authorized to perform the functions of the CFPB under the subtitle transferring authority to the CFPB from the other agencies “until the Director of the Bureau is confirmed by the Senate in accordance with Section 1011.” It turns out that section 1011 is a defined term which provides: “The Director shall be appointed by the President, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate.”

This seems to suggest that even if the President might be able to appoint Cordray under the recess power the full grant of statutory authority wouldn’t transfer to the Bureau unless the statutory language was fulfilled as well.

The Volokh Conspiracy » Legality of Cordray Appointment Under Dodd-Frank

Nah, the minority does not say when the Senate is in session, and the President has the authority to make a recess appointment. The courts will rule for the president on this one.

In order for the Senate to go in recess the House must recess. No such event occurred. Further in order for the Senate to recess they must meet the stated rules for recess, this did not happen either. The appointment will fail in all but a liberal Judges court.

And the left is now FIRMLY in the position of stating a President, ANY President may violate the Constitution any time he chooses with no adverse reaction from the people.
 
I am not sure you are correct on the procedures for dismissal, particularly the Senate being dependent on the House's rules. You are right a court will decide on it, and I think the court conservative or liberal will back the majority leadership in the Senate and the President.
 
If the Dems in power in the Senate says it was in recess, the minority cannot overrule it. Minority interp does not rule in this case. The courts will rule for the Dems. Republicans have many other problems without fighting a losing one like this.

Sadly, you have no facts on your side.
 
If the Dems in power in the Senate says it was in recess, the minority cannot overrule it. Minority interp does not rule in this case. The courts will rule for the Dems. Republicans have many other problems without fighting a losing one like this.

Sadly, you have no facts on your side.

Sadly, you have no idea on how to recess the Senate. Watch, wait, and learn.
 
If the Dems in power in the Senate says it was in recess, the minority cannot overrule it. Minority interp does not rule in this case. The courts will rule for the Dems. Republicans have many other problems without fighting a losing one like this.

Sadly, you have no facts on your side.

Sadly, you have no idea on how to recess the Senate. Watch, wait, and learn.

Ever read the Constitution? It states that both Houses must agree to recess and that neither may do so without the other, the 3 day thing is the maximum time one house can quit business without approval of the other house.

Further the Constitution states that each house makes its own rules.

You might want to READ the document.
 
Sadly, you have no facts on your side.

Sadly, you have no idea on how to recess the Senate. Watch, wait, and learn.

Ever read the Constitution? It states that both Houses must agree to recess and that neither may do so without the other, the 3 day thing is the maximum time one house can quit business without approval of the other house.

Further the Constitution states that each house makes its own rules.

You might want to READ the document.
The constitution to a liberals is as daylight to vampires.
 
I though Obama studied law at some point.

Leaving aside the constitutional questions, there is a potential statutory problem with the legality of the Cordray appointment under Dodd-Frank. Section 1066 of Dodd-Frank provides that the Secretary of the Treasury is authorized to perform the functions of the CFPB under the subtitle transferring authority to the CFPB from the other agencies “until the Director of the Bureau is confirmed by the Senate in accordance with Section 1011.” It turns out that section 1011 is a defined term which provides: “The Director shall be appointed by the President, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate.”

This seems to suggest that even if the President might be able to appoint Cordray under the recess power the full grant of statutory authority wouldn’t transfer to the Bureau unless the statutory language was fulfilled as well.

The Volokh Conspiracy » Legality of Cordray Appointment Under Dodd-Frank



Studying the law taught him how to position himself above it.
 
Sadly, you have no facts on your side.

Sadly, you have no idea on how to recess the Senate. Watch, wait, and learn.

Ever read the Constitution? It states that both Houses must agree to recess and that neither may do so without the other, the 3 day thing is the maximum time one house can quit business without approval of the other house.

Further the Constitution states that each house makes its own rules.

You might want to READ the document.

Each chamber makes its own rules. The Republican House cannot hold the Democratic Senate in thrall, nor can the Senate hold the House. Such appointments are solely in the domain of the Pres and the Senate, and the House has no say.

Go back and read it.
 
I though Obama studied law at some point.

Leaving aside the constitutional questions, there is a potential statutory problem with the legality of the Cordray appointment under Dodd-Frank. Section 1066 of Dodd-Frank provides that the Secretary of the Treasury is authorized to perform the functions of the CFPB under the subtitle transferring authority to the CFPB from the other agencies “until the Director of the Bureau is confirmed by the Senate in accordance with Section 1011.” It turns out that section 1011 is a defined term which provides: “The Director shall be appointed by the President, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate.”

This seems to suggest that even if the President might be able to appoint Cordray under the recess power the full grant of statutory authority wouldn’t transfer to the Bureau unless the statutory language was fulfilled as well.

The Volokh Conspiracy » Legality of Cordray Appointment Under Dodd-Frank
Studying the law taught him how to position himself above it.
the Obama's understanding of history and the law are considerably slighter than mine - He's certainly no prodigy.
 
If the Dems in power in the Senate says it was in recess, the minority cannot overrule it. Minority interp does not rule in this case. The courts will rule for the Dems. Republicans have many other problems without fighting a losing one like this.

Sadly, you have no facts on your side.

Sadly, you have no idea on how to recess the Senate. Watch, wait, and learn.

You might want to google "pro forma sessions" and inform yourself on how Harry Reid used them to keep from being in recess to block Bush from making recess appointments. Surely you don't expect different rules under different presidents do you comrade?
 
That is procedure, not law, and that Byrd did it is no excuse for the GOP, either.

Bush should have hammered the Dems as Obama is hammering the Pubs right now.

Watch and learn.
 

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