Conservative dad threatens ‘sh*tstorm’ if daughter’s world history class includes Islam

[JakeStarkey]

I got one of yours fired a couple of years ago - after a lengthy suspension - for telling her class (of which my Grand Daughter was a student) that "we deserved to be attacked because we are an evil nation". That bitch is now unemployed and my Grand Daughter now attends private school. We're done here.

Sure, you did, big boy! I served as a School Board president, both private and public schools. If we had a teacher like that, the Superintendent and Principal and I would have had a long talk with the Board present. Based just on what you are telling me, I would have wanted instructor would have wanted the instructor suspended, attend training, and be re-interviewed before any return to duties. If any recalcitrance, if anything more than the "wailing and gnashing of teeth" and plea for re-instatement, said teacher would have been said gone.

We also would have interviewed the student and asked her about your apparent anger management problems. Based on her answers, we would have considered calling the sheriffs department for an observational visit and based on that, possibly the CPS as well.

You certainly have the right to your opinions and to state them.

You have no right to intimidate or frighten others with your anger.

 

[Rikurzhen]

You're the fellow who made this statement: "they are not praying or practicing the religion." I asked you how you KNOW this to be the case and I cited an instance of a course of studies, upheld by courts, which did involve praying and practicing religion.

I have a factual basis for my position. What is the factual basis for your claim that that there is no prayer or practice of Islam taking place. How do you KNOW THIS?

from:Conservative dad threatens sh tstorm if daughter s world history class includes Islam

"“This is a world history class,” she explained. “We are not teaching religion. Part of those world history studies involves the economics of a region and part of that is the religion which relates to the economy of that part of the world. In the Middle East, Islam is the only religion and it contributes greatly to the economics of the region.”"

"Charles County Board of Education member Jennifer Abell posted a statement on Facebook explaining that some people are spreading “misinformation” about the No Trespass order.
“The particular unit in question at La Plata High School is on the formation of Middle Eastern empires in which students learned the basic concepts of the Islamic faith and how it, along with politics, culture, economics and geography, contributed to the development of the Middle East,” Abell wrote"

That's it? That California school also stated that they're not teaching Islam and the courts backed them up, yet they're reciting prayers, memorizing verses of the Qur'an, and fasting. I don't know what the 9th Circuit uses as the definition of "teaching religion" but apparently reciting prayers and memorizing verses and fasting fall on the side of not teaching Islam.

Sorry, a school official saying that they're not teaching doesn't really back you up.

Yes, as a matter of fact it does. The school official described the course content. That is the issue.

Part of the problem is that any time someone mentions Islam, you get knee-jerk reactions, like the one in this thread that stated "Besides - there are only TWO things children need to know about Islam - the twin towers".

That may suffice for him, but when studying the formation of empires in the middle east, it is a bit lacking.

I doubt yuo could find anyone at these schools who didn't know why Xmas is celebrated, or easter, or the basic tenets of the Christian faith. The same is not true for Islam or Buddhism. So when they study the areas of world history in which those other faiths had a profound effect, some instruction concerning the faiths themselves is necessary.

So now you've crossed over to acknowledging that there might be instruction in the faith. You try to justify it, and I don't find the justification out of order, but there is a bright line here and people have legitimate grounds to object. The fact that some students know the basics of Christianity doesn't imply that ALL students know, so why don't schools get in the business of instructing ALL students in the fundamental theological foundations of Christianity when this is necessary to contextualize the history of Europe which transpired over a period of more than a 1,000 years?

There are two avenues of criticism which can apply:

1.) No teaching of religion, any religion is permitted.
2.) Teach all religions uniformly. If Islamic scripture is read, then teach Christian scripture. If Islamic prayers are recited, then recite Christian prayers. No double standards permitted.

And, as the article states, they study Christianity when it is a force in the history of the area, and they study Buddhism when it is the force in the area of study. No double standard.

The study of Christianity. I'm curious about where you draw the line. Would the following lessons be appropriate?

1.) A lesson on the details of the life of Jesus.
2.) The spiritually important events in the life of Jesus.
3.) The travels of Jesus.
4.) The meaning of resurrection, why Jesus died on the cross, the meaning of the Last Supper, etc Something that speaks to Christian doctrine like the Five Pillars speak to Muslim beliefs.
5.) The beliefs and rituals of Christians
6.) The role of the Apostles, the significance of Peter and Paul.
7.) The meaning of transsubstantiation, the definition of the Holy Trinity, the role of the Virgin Mary.

 

[WinterBorn]

I did not see anything about the "5 Pillars of Islam" in the article, or in any other article on this event. Do you have a link to share?

I absolutely do:

Fed-Up Marine Dad Confronts School Officials Over Daughter s Mandatory Islam Assignment Here s How They Responded Video TheBlaze.com


This story was reported on several sites. Do your own checking from now on.

I read several articles about the event, and none mentioned this. So I ask for a link. If that is too diificult for you, whine to someone else.

The article you linked also said "“You can’t study God or Christianity in school.", but the curriculum does, in fact, cover Christianity when discussing the middle ages in Europe, since the religion was a major player in those times.

The person quoted was the Father of the 11th grade student. Get your facts straight. Now, if the child was uncomfortable with the assignment - she SHOULD HAVE BEEN GIVEN AN ALTERNATE ASSIGNMENT. Isn't that what you liberals are all about???

If I were a liberal I might have an answer for you. However, since I am not, you'll have to find another person to answer that for you.

I did, however, graduate with a degree in secondary ed, in comprehensive sciences. So I have dealt with asshole parents who demand that their little angels be given special assignments. I had one when teaching the theory of evolution in a biology class. The situation there was the same as the situation in the class in the OP. In order to understand the subject being studied (The Formation of Empires in the Middle east) they need to know some basic information about the people involved in that formation, the social structure involved, and the economic forces that caused the formation of those empires. Otherwise, the student will not understand.

Just like there is a discussion of Christianity during the study of the Middle ages in Europe, and the study of Buddhism in the study of the formation of institutions in China.

Ah, I see. A "teacher". Gotcha. You live by the credo that you don't answer to parents, right. Now I get it. Your credibility just went south with me. I got one of yours fired a couple of years ago - after a lengthy suspension - for telling her class (of which my Grand Daughter was a student) that "we deserved to be attacked because we are an evil nation". That bitch is now unemployed and my Grand Daughter now attends private school.

We're done here.

Nice that you read so much into my comments when it is not what I said.

I never said I did not answer to parents. I was more than willing to help students and parents when there was a way that I could do so and still teach the basic requirements of the course. In biology, the theory of evolution is a basic tenet. When I had students that did not want to do dissections, I brought in a computer version for them to use. The school didn't pay for that, I did.

Never once, in my few years of teaching, did I make disparaging remarks about anyone's religion, our nation or any political figure. I taught biology.

 

[WinterBorn]

Conservative dad threatens ‘sh*tstorm’ if daughter’s world history class includes Islam

An angry father has been banned from a Maryland high school’s campus after he made vague but ominous threats against the school because his daughter’s history homework mentioned the Islamic faith.

BayNet.com reported that La Plata High School in Charles County, Maryland has issued a No Trespass order after parent Kevin Wood — a former U.S. Marine — called the school and threatened to disrupt classes if his daughter’s world history class continued to study the religion and its impact on human history.

Wood reportedly telephoned Vice Principal Shannon Morris last Thursday enraged over a homework assignment which dealt with the formation of Middle Eastern empires centuries ago. History teacher Katie O’Malley Simpson said that the history curriculum has never been considered controversial in the past.

It's got to be genetic, Conservative stupidity.

The class was to concentrate on the "5 pillars of Islam" - that's teaching religion. You can't even MENTION Christianity in school. Besides - there are only TWO things children need to know about Islam - the twin towers.

And they DO, in fact, mention Christianity in the course. That was clearly stated in the article.

Really? I read, the re-read the article. Where exactly was Christianity mentioned. Granted, I'm an old man and could have missed it - but I don't think so. Again, if Christianity is mentioned in the public school system - the usual suspects (Freedom from religion, Atheists, etc) with their dime-story lawyers ready for litigation.

I did not see anything about the "5 Pillars of Islam" in the article, or in any other article on this event. Do you have a link to share?

I absolutely do:

Fed-Up Marine Dad Confronts School Officials Over Daughter s Mandatory Islam Assignment Here s How They Responded Video TheBlaze.com


This story was reported on several sites. Do your own checking from now on.

I read several articles about the event, and none mentioned this. So I ask for a link. If that is too diificult for you, whine to someone else.

The article you linked also said "“You can’t study God or Christianity in school.", but the curriculum does, in fact, cover Christianity when discussing the middle ages in Europe, since the religion was a major player in those times.

Took me 30 seconds to find BOTH a link and an interview on television. Apparently academics is well beyond your scope of pseudo-intellectualism. Now, you tell me, professor, do you not know how to research? I was taught that in my Freshman year at the University of Louisville.

Congrats. I did a search on the topic as it was listed. I got back, as usual, a long list of articles. I read the first few.

If providing a link for your claims causes you this much grief, you must have some serious issues.

Hey, it's no problem for me, professor. I just figured that in your zeal for self-righteousness, you'd have already done your research BEFORE you shot your mouth off.

I quoted the article in Post #47.

"The particular unit in question at La Plata High School is on the formation of Middle Eastern empires in which students learned the basic concepts of the Islamic faith and how it, along with politics, culture, economics and geography, contributed to the development of the Middle East. Other religions are introduced when they influence or impact a particular historical era or geographic region. For example, when reviewing the Renaissance and Reformation, students study the concepts and role of Christianity. When learning about the development of China and India, students examine Hinduism and Buddhism."

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

Conservative dad threatens ‘sh*tstorm’ if daughter’s world history class includes Islam

An angry father has been banned from a Maryland high school’s campus after he made vague but ominous threats against the school because his daughter’s history homework mentioned the Islamic faith.

BayNet.com reported that La Plata High School in Charles County, Maryland has issued a No Trespass order after parent Kevin Wood — a former U.S. Marine — called the school and threatened to disrupt classes if his daughter’s world history class continued to study the religion and its impact on human history.

Wood reportedly telephoned Vice Principal Shannon Morris last Thursday enraged over a homework assignment which dealt with the formation of Middle Eastern empires centuries ago. History teacher Katie O’Malley Simpson said that the history curriculum has never been considered controversial in the past.

It's got to be genetic, Conservative stupidity.

I just have to wonder why Islam is being taught at all in schools if the left believes in separation of church and state. Interesting how that belief of religious influence towards prayer and reference to religion has a way of finding exceptions. Then again, if liberals want to stir up class warfare as well as create a war on women, why should religion be any exception?

Islam is being taught in a World History class. They are not praying or practicing the religion. They are simply learning about the religion that shaped the region they are focusing on now.

It's at best a contradiction when you include a discussion of the Islamic belief, while school policies occur instructing Christians to turn their shirts inside out for desiring to display theirs. If you are open to the discussion of various beliefs in public schools then you should be open to the discussion and open display of ALL faiths as it' states within the boundaries of the First Amenent.

Instructing students about Islam during the study of the formation of the empires of the middle east is a bit different than holding a prayer meeting in the classroom.

You can't talk about Islamic culture without interjecting their values and beliefs they hold. Islamic nations are very dedicated to their faith and particularly Middle East cultures where religion dictates lifestyle, such as their views towards women. Those who don't share their interpreted views of the Koran are often criticized for not.conforming to their faith within their daily lives, if not punished for their rejection of it.

 

[JakeStarkey]

And all of that needs to be pointed out, Shakles, so that students have a balance of knowledge for evaluating their world.