Confederate Flag vs. Ground Zero Mosque?

[JBeukema]

giving up the idiocies of the Article of Confederation.

Like the perpetual union?

 

[JBeukema]

And America pays for child sex for our friends with your taxdollars


Does this country really any right to throw stones?

 

[JBeukema]

Will women be allowed to dress as they please when they enter the doors?

How does that matter?

 

[JBeukema]

You are to stupid to realize your speaking an untruth. It wasn't until after the cenntineal of the of the civil war that the kkk started using the battle flag the always used the stars and stripes

So it's a racist flag? is this gentalman a racist?

This flag served the same purpose as the battle flag would you call it a racist flag?

Tell me that you are aware that blacks also owned slaves?

you're a bigot and a fool?

who knew

Come on son of bitch name your fucking posin. Show me what you know of the war between the states. I will bust your fucking bubble.

Fail. There was a never a war between the states. No state ever declared war against another state.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

you're a bigot and a fool?

who knew

Come on son of bitch name your fucking posin. Show me what you know of the war between the states. I will bust your fucking bubble.

Fail. There was a never a war between the states. No state ever declared war against another state.

No actually it's a fail on your part
War of Northern Agression
War Between The States
Civil War
War of Northern Agression / War Between The States / Civil War

 

[bigrebnc1775]

His release came after a finding by the Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court, Salmon P. Chase, that there was nothing in the U.S. Constitution that prohibited the secession of states

That's not what they said in Texas v. White

I suggest you look up the case against Jefferson Davis. or didn't I add a link in my reply?

 

[JBeukema]

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[bigrebnc1775]

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Stinks of anti south propraganda

 

[Ravi]

OH I see, now the Ordinances of Secession matter? I said some a couple of state left the union because of slavery it can be found in their Ordinance of Secession. However, it cannot be found in every states Ordinance of Secession.

I didn't say they didn't matter, I said you need to read the other speeches they gave and documents they issued. It is their body of work that matters.

You implied they did not matter. so now you use one from one state to support your argument. Nope not going to work.

No...you inferred it. I implied nothing. But maybe a good deflection on your part will allow you to pretend that you "won" something.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I didn't say they didn't matter, I said you need to read the other speeches they gave and documents they issued. It is their body of work that matters.

You implied they did not matter. so now you use one from one state to support your argument. Nope not going to work.

No...you inferred it. I implied nothing. But maybe a good deflection on your part will allow you to pretend that you "won" something.

Horse shit yes you did.

 

[bodecea]

I didn't say they didn't matter, I said you need to read the other speeches they gave and documents they issued. It is their body of work that matters.

You implied they did not matter. so now you use one from one state to support your argument. Nope not going to work.

No...you inferred it. I implied nothing. But maybe a good deflection on your part will allow you to pretend that you "won" something.

Southerners pretending they "won" something? Who would have thunk it?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

You implied they did not matter. so now you use one from one state to support your argument. Nope not going to work.

No...you inferred it. I implied nothing. But maybe a good deflection on your part will allow you to pretend that you "won" something.

Southerners pretending they "won" something? Who would have thunk it?

Actually he complained about the article of Secessions not being the documents that declared, and then turns around and uses part of one from one state. When I had already said a couple of states left the union over slavery.

 

[manifold]

This thread is funny...I will never figure out why people get so upset over the fact that the Southern states left the union because they wished to keep their slaves.

I agree that that has something to do with it. But it's still just my opinion as it is yours.

But here is a fact for you: The southern states seceded BEFORE the emancipation proclamation.

True story

Immaterial.

Immaterial to your clearly closed mind yes.

 

[Ravi]

I agree that that has something to do with it. But it's still just my opinion as it is yours.

But here is a fact for you: The southern states seceded BEFORE the emancipation proclamation.

True story

Immaterial.

Immaterial to your clearly closed mind yes.

The writing was on the wall...part of what they were upset about was northern states that stopped enforcing slavery laws. For instance, returning escaped slaves to their "masters."

I'm still waiting for you to tell us why the civil war was fought since you don't believe it was fought from the South's point of view to keep slaves.

 

[manifold]

Immaterial.

Immaterial to your clearly closed mind yes.

The writing was on the wall...part of what they were upset about was northern states that stopped enforcing slavery laws. For instance, returning escaped slaves to their "masters."

I'm still waiting for you to tell us why the civil war was fought since you don't believe it was fought from the South's point of view to keep slaves.

I already said that was part of it... IMO.

Still doesn't make it a fact.

 

[Ravi]

Immaterial to your clearly closed mind yes.

The writing was on the wall...part of what they were upset about was northern states that stopped enforcing slavery laws. For instance, returning escaped slaves to their "masters."

I'm still waiting for you to tell us why the civil war was fought since you don't believe it was fought from the South's point of view to keep slaves.

I already said that was part of it... IMO.

Still doesn't make it a fact.

I don't understand you, honestly. Almost every speech and proclamation for southern states mentioned slavery as the overriding issue...so how then is it not a fact?

I suppose you could make a case that since none of us were around then aliens from another planet practiced mind control....

 

[manifold]

The proclamations you refer to are factual.

Facts that support your opinion.

But they don't make your opinion fact.

See how that works?

You're welcome.

 

[Ravi]

The proclamations you refer to are factual.

Facts that support your opinion.

But they don't make your opinion fact.

See how that works?

You're welcome.

No, I don't see how that works...if the body of work says slavery is the main issue I don't see how you can claim it is not.

Maybe it will be easier to understand if you describe what would make it fact in your mind.

 

[manifold]

if the body of work says slavery is the main issue I don't see how you can claim it is not.

I've made no claims about what motivated the southern states to secede.

Maybe it will be easier to understand if you describe what would make it fact in your mind.

Your opinion can never be fact. That's what makes it an opinion.

 

[Sheldon]

If I was a heavy gambler, of the two "controversies" in the OP I'd have put my money on the Park 51 Mosque being the topic that derailed the thread.