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No reasonably intelligent person will believe that you can have a purely capitalistic or socialist or communist country. I believe that it takes a little bit of all through to make this country work. Yes, Fox News and the Republicans are on the roof top yelling that Obama is taking the country to socialism, and some idiots like Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity also be that the country is headed to Communism! I really wish that we would be put our politics for a while....at least until we fix our current problems!
OK Fellow American's which do you prefer for our country, Communism, Socialism or Capitalism? and what is the reason for your preference?
OK Fellow American's which do you prefer for our country, Communism, Socialism or Capitalism? and what is the reason for your preference?
scandanavian capitalism.
Why? Its the most successful, and egalitarian system the planet has ever known.
Human Development Index- Most Liveable Countries
Rank
1 Iceland 0.968 ▲ +0.001
2 Norway 0.968 ▲ +0.001
3 Canada 0.967 ▲ +0.002
4 Australia 0.965 ▲ +0.002
5 Ireland 0.960 ▲ +0.002
6 Netherlands 0.958 ▲ +0.002
7 Sweden 0.958 ▲ +0.001
8 Japan 0.956 ▲ +0.003
9 Luxembourg 0.956 ▲ +0.002
10 Switzerland 0.955 ▲ +0.002
11 France 0.955 ▲ +0.002
12 Finland 0.954 ▲ +0.004
13 Denmark 0.952 ▲ +0.003
14 Austria 0.951 ▲ +0.003
15 United States 0.950 ▬
16 Spain 0.949 ▲ +0.003
17 Belgium 0.948 ▲ +0.003
18 Greece 0.947 ▲ +0.004
19 Italy 0.945 ▲ +0.003
20 New Zealand 0.944 ▲ +0.001
21 United Kingdom
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OK Fellow American's which do you prefer for our country, Communism, Socialism or Capitalism? and what is the reason for your preference?
scandanavian capitalism.
Why? Its the most successful, and egalitarian system the planet has ever known.
Sweden?
scandanavian capitalism.
Why? Its the most successful, and egalitarian system the planet has ever known.
Sweden?
No, scandanavian countries, not just sweden.
Isn't Government control a part of Communism?
Why do I get the distinct impression that some people don't really know what socialism is? It isn't the government governing or providing infrastructure. It's government ownership and control of the means for production and distribution. In other words, government control of business and industry. And no, there is no occasion when that is necessary.
Capitalism is the most realistic of the three, taking into account and working with the natural inclinations of human nature, rather than suppressing them or trying to pretend they don't exist.
No. Pure communism supposes that we will all be so altruistic and collectively-oriented that government as such will not be necessary, and we will all own everything jointly and operate it for the good of the whole. The idea, according to Marxists, is that a benevolent government, operated by the enlightened elite, will take control of everything and run it altruistically for the collective until the unwashed masses achieve the same high plane of spiritual evolution that the anointed have. Thus, socialism is a step on the road to communism, and this is why countries that are clearly socialist, many to the point of being totalitarian dictatorships, self-describe as communist. They are allegedly aspiring toward that goal.
OK Fellow American's which do you prefer for our country, Communism, Socialism or Capitalism? and what is the reason for your preference?
currently all three exist......in one for or another....
the private sector of business is capitalisim....
the nonprofit sector is socialist....
the union work force is communist...
Without a viable government capitalism is impossible as it requires a government to insure that the state currency is legal tender.
Hence capitalists tend to take over government to make it work for those with the most capital.
But human nature being what it is, power corrupts those capitalists with the most power so they inevitably begin perverting that government to give them and their capital greater advanatages than those with less capital, thus they end up perverting capitalism into something less than pure capitalism.
Hence we have the FEDERAL RESERVE.
Anyone who thinks that SOCIALISTS are in charge of this nation is nuts.
Capitalism is the natural order of economics...
Socialism, which is communism at an early stage of development... is a function of secularism, and the unbridled arrogance of the Social Scientists that they've some means to control the Economy...
It's the same arrogance which allows them to believe that they can control the environment.
When the left has finally pissed the world off and the inevitable spasm comes which destroys them; what will rise from tha ashes of that extinction will be Capitalism... Defined as the free exchange of the goods and services to the mutual benefit of both parties; capitalism is simply how people trade the value which they possess for the value which they desire, want or need... and it works every time that it is tried...
What I love about the advocates of 'mixed economies' is how they clammer on about how corruption is inherent in capitalism; so they demand that 'just enough Socialism is necessary to keep capitalism in check...' when the socialism is being advanced by the same beings which could not manage to honestly exchange fair value for fair value... So their SOLUTUION is to give those same CORRUPTIBLE PEOPLE MORE POWER... through which their unbridled arrogance will corrupt far more deeply, and in ways which are far more destructive...
Socialism is a lie... it's not an economic system of any kind... it's a ideology... which uses economics as a means to its decietful end.
Socialism is merely a rationalization where the individual is said to be incapable of maintaining their responsibilities, so those responsibilities are placed upon the State. What the advocates of Social Science fail to recognize is that liberty, FREEDOM, is directly attributable TO THE RESPONSIBILITY RESTING WITH THE INDIVIDUAL and that/those individual holding himself and his neighbor accountable to those responsibilties. The responsibility to fairly trade with their neighbor, is an intrinsic, inseparable element of their human RIGHT... where that responsibility is forfeited, the right is forfeited and with that right goes FREEDOM.
The solution is not to succumb the the weakness which seeks to rest one's burdeon of responsibility upon the ethereal myth of "The People"... as such will never be the option of the freeman to look back upon... the solution is to hold one's self and each other accountable; and to do so through, in the case of the United States, the Constitutional Republic which was designed to DO JUST THAT. The Constitution that was designed to LIMIT the scope of Government power and to protect the rights of the individual and to HOLD EACH ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS in maintaining their responsibility to not infringe upon the rights of another, in the process of exercising their rights.
Socialism... the Advocacy of Social Science is not a viable economic theory... Communism is not a viable theory of cultural cooperation... They're one in the same rationalization, where each individual advocate wants to separate the THEMSELVES from their RESPONSIBILITIES... and this I suspect in yet another human attempt to 'have their cake and eat it too...' Left-think is little more than a means to find an 'easier way'... than the day to day struggle, the burden common in each one of us, to do the right thing...
The worst part; and I do mean the worst... is that the liberty born from the US Constitution, individual liberty to freely exchange the goods and service to the mutual benefit of both parties... free to choose our own path, set out own course... THIS IS AS EASY AS IT GETS and the socialists are dreaming us back into bondage... where inevitably generations after us will wonder how lame did we have to be, to freely give up our freedom, on the hope that we could separate our freedom from our simple responsibility to do the right thing.
OK Fellow American's which do you prefer for our country, Communism, Socialism or Capitalism? and what is the reason for your preference?
It's more complicated than that - None of those systems works by itself because human frailty must still be involved in their day to day management.
Capitalism and free choice is required for development of new ideas.
A certain amount of socialism is required to keep greed in check and maintain the infrastructure that the wealthy need but don't use all the time.
A survey of empirical research on productivity in worker-owned enterprises and cooperatives finds a substantial literature that largely supports the proposition that worker-owned enterprises equal or exceed the productivity of conventional enterprises when employee involvement is combined with ownership. The weight of a sparser literature on cooperatives tends toward the same pattern. In addition, employee-owned firms create local employment, anchor jobs in their communities and enrich local social capital.
Communism is an unworkable pipe-dream as long as people manage it.
currently all three exist......in one for or another....
the private sector of business is capitalisim....
the nonprofit sector is socialist....
the union work force is communist...
Why do I get the distinct impression that some people don't really know what socialism is? It isn't the government governing or providing infrastructure. It's government ownership and control of the means for production and distribution. In other words, government control of business and industry. And no, there is no occasion when that is necessary.
Capitalism is the most realistic of the three, taking into account and working with the natural inclinations of human nature, rather than suppressing them or trying to pretend they don't exist.
No. Pure communism supposes that we will all be so altruistic and collectively-oriented that government as such will not be necessary, and we will all own everything jointly and operate it for the good of the whole. The idea, according to Marxists, is that a benevolent government, operated by the enlightened elite, will take control of everything and run it altruistically for the collective until the unwashed masses achieve the same high plane of spiritual evolution that the anointed have. Thus, socialism is a step on the road to communism, and this is why countries that are clearly socialist, many to the point of being totalitarian dictatorships, self-describe as communist. They are allegedly aspiring toward that goal.
Russia has already become a Soviet Republic only in name. The influx and taking over of the people by the 'party,' that is, predominantly the newcomers (the ideological communists are more in the urban centers), has already destroyed the influence and constructive energy of this promising institution - the soviets. At present, it is the party committees, not the soviets, who rule in Russia. And their organization suffers from the defects of bureaucratic organization. To move away from the current disorder, Russia must return to the creative genius of local forces which, as I see it, can be a factor in the creation of a new life. And the sooner that the necessity of this way is understood, the better. People will then be all the more likely to accept [new] social forms of life. If the present situation continues, the very word 'socialism' will turn into a curse. That is what happened to the conception of equality in France for forty years after the rule of the Jacobins.
The Leninist antagonism to the most essential features of socialism was evident from the very start. In revolutionary Russia, Soviets and factory committees developed as instruments of struggle and liberation, with many flaws, but with a rich potential. Lenin and Trotsky, upon assuming power, immediately devoted themselves to destroying the liberatory potential of these instruments, establishing the rule of the Party, in practice its Central Committee and its Maximal Leaders -- exactly as Trotsky had predicted years earlier, as Rosa Luxembourg and other left Marxists warned at the time, and as the anarchists had always understood. Not only the masses, but even the Party must be subject to "vigilant control from above," so Trotsky held as he made the transition from revolutionary intellectual to State priest. Before seizing State power, the Bolshevik leadership adopted much of the rhetoric of people who were engaged in the revolutionary struggle from below, but their true commitments were quite different. This was evident before and became crystal clear as they assumed State power in October 1917.
Capitalism is the natural order of economics...
Socialism, which is communism at an early stage of development... is a function of secularism, and the unbridled arrogance of the Social Scientists that they've some means to control the Economy...
It's the same arrogance which allows them to believe that they can control the environment.
When the left has finally pissed the world off and the inevitable spasm comes which destroys them; what will rise from tha ashes of that extinction will Capitalism... Defined as the free exchange of the goods and services tot he mutual benefit of both parties; capitalism is simply how people trade the value which they possess for the value which they desire, want or need... and it works every time that it is tried...
What I love about the advocates of 'mixed economies' is how they clammer on about how corruption is inherent in capitalism; so they demand that 'just enough Socialism is necessary to keep capitalism in check...' when the socialism is being advanced by the same beings which could not honestly exchange fair value for fair value... So their SOLUTUION is to give those same CORRUPTIBLE PEOPLE MORE POWER... through which their unbridled arrogance can infect far more deeply, and in ways which are far more destructive...
Socialism is a lie... it's not an economic system of any kind... it's a ideology... which uses economics as a means to its decietful end...
In the case of Communism you can't get there from here starting out with Human beings. You always end up with something like the former Soviet Union, Mao's China, Pol Pot's Cambodia, or Mugabe's Zimbabwe.
Pure socialism exists no where, currently. Where almost everyone in the west is at including the US is A sort of truncated capitalism layered about and grossly encumbered by various and sundry Socialist programs, and when the burdensome rules and regulations combined with more and more people drawing some sort of government check reach the tipping point the wheels run off the rims and things get really rough for a while. That is what we see now.
What? No anarchy?
Anarchy is always a transitory state in which murder and mayhem are common place until someone usually a more charismnatic than usual thug takes over and resores some semblance of order.
No reasonably intelligent person will believe that you can have a purely capitalistic or socialist or communist country. I believe that it takes a little bit of all through to make this country work. Yes, Fox News and the Republicans are on the roof top yelling that Obama is taking the country to socialism, and some idiots like Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity also be that the country is headed to Communism! I really wish that we would be put our politics for a while....at least until we fix our current problems!
Doesn't matter what you believe, Capitalism is the natural order of economics; socialism is an unsustainable farce; which while Socialism is on the march at present, when it fails, as it must do, as a function of mathematical certainty, capitalism will be what rises from the cultural ashes.
To induce its workers not to shirk, the firm attempts to pay more than the going wage; then, if a worker is caught shirking and is fired, he will pay a penalty. If it pays one firm to raise its wage, however, it will pay all firms to raise their wages. When they all raise their wages, the incentive not to shirk again disappears. But as all firms raise their wages, their demand for labor increases, and unemployment results. With unemployment, even if all firms pay the same wages, a worker has an incentive not to shirk. For, if he is fired, an individual will not immediately obtain another job. The equilibrium unemployment rate must be sufficiently high that it pays workers to work rather than to take the risk of being caught shirking.
For the cohesive society of differing functions, somehow working together, that humanity on Planet Earth must become if our children are to fulfill their destiny and reach for the stars (assuming we don't burn down our infrastructure instead), there must be some guidance and long term vision expressed collectively by The Peoples Interests and Will through government as well as an evolutionary process of survival of the fittest, weeding through ideas and processes to sort the good ideas and business models from the bad.
There are two systems currently in place with the resources to foist such a society upon the world...
1. The United States, a capitalist system, which is currently experiencing the pain of learning what happens with everyone doing their own thing with no central planning. While raw capitalism produces a plethora of ideas and processes in the marketplace, especially when there is an abundance of natural resources and undeveloped land available for the taking, it also can produce uncontrollably large and powerful business organizations which cause havoc in the market place when they implode.
2. China, a socialist system, which has been experimenting over the last 30 years with central vision and planning, combined with letting people make many of their own decisions in the market place and allowing them to reap the rewards and losses of those decisions.
Guess which system currently owes the other more money than God could repay...
So here is the question my fellow Americans: Do you think capitalism, with some semblance of vision and central planning might recover from its current embarrassing situation and kick ass on socialism that is experimenting with the value of marketplace freedoms, or are we doomed to pay our mortgages in yuan instead of dollars 10 years from now, because nobody wants the electric grid running through their back yard and by God were free to say "Fuck you" to the rest of us?
-Joe
Capitalism is the only logical choice for a free society.
scandanavian capitalism.
Why? Its the most successful, and egalitarian system the planet has ever known.
Basically, communism is a pipe dream promoted to the stupid to keep the elite in power.
Without a viable government capitalism is impossible as it requires a government to insure that the state currency is legal tender.
Hence capitalists tend to take over government to make it work for those with the most capital.
But human nature being what it is, power corrupts those capitalists with the most power so they inevitably begin perverting that government to give them and their capital greater advanatages than those with less capital, thus they end up perverting capitalism into something less than pure capitalism.
Hence we have the FEDERAL RESERVE.
Anyone who thinks that SOCIALISTS are in charge of this nation is nuts.
Currency doesn't require government to be legitimate.
We'll have to agree to disagree on this issue, Kevin.
If you can show me any modern state which does not have the franchise on what currency is considered "legal tender for all debts public or private" perhaps I'll be willing to consider your opinion more seriously.
.You can allow the market to operate with that commodity as with any
No, your gold buggery won't get a pass, amigo. We're talking about modern industrial states, not 15th century barter economies.
The state simply gives itself a monopoly right to issue and debase the currency.
Yes, it does, on that issue you and I are on the same page.
Except here in America, our government gave that franchise to PRIVATE banks, remember?
do they all have the same tax rate?
Apathy breeds socialism, socialism breeds communism, communism breeds totalitarianism, totalitarianism breeds apathy its a tail chaser that never ends.....
