Communism-lite and why it doesn’t work for ‘Brown’ nations?

[Correll]

What category of person, can't you talk to?


YOu can talk to friends. You can talk to acquaintances. YOu can talk to strangers.


Who can't you talk to?

Is this a riddle?

Animals?
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You can't talk to enemies.


When you stop talking to someone, and you have conflicts of interests, the only option is to destroy them.


Because you can't compromise, or work with someone you can't talk to.

Yikes. Well, we disagree there, too. Without communication, little lasting progress can be made.

For example, I agree with talking with adversarial foreign leaders. At every opportunity.

Being unwilling to talk to adversaries only leads to shallow tribalism. As we're seeing.
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You are refusing to talk. You. Not me. Not us.

I've already told you that I think "debating" here is pointless. No problem is going to be solved, no groundwork is going to be laid, no plan is going to be put into effect. That's for real life, and I'm definitely involved there.

So far, the sum total of our conversations has been me trying to explain the other side to you, and you rejecting all of it out of hand. We have long since reached "beating a dead horse" territory. I tagged you a couple of times yesterday in a vain hope that you might at least acknowledge that a problem does exist on the Right, but I appear to have failed there, again.

What else is there to talk about that we haven't yet covered? Do you have something new?
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I don't see much attempts at discussion in real life from the libs.

 

[danielpalos]

Is anybody courageous enough to discuss this topic?
Are there inherent deficiencies among certain ‘groups’?
Hoping Mac1958 will help out with this one.

The Spanish had already been defeated by the English, and the English were competing with the Dutch.

Our Founding Fathers seem to have had a better understanding of economics.

 

[danielpalos]

Communism works in much the same way Capitalism does. Some people know how to manipulate THE system to their benefit, and others are going to be mere adherents to the system that exploits them either way. And some of us don't get any choice. But we know the score.

Communism requires social morals for free; the Religious can make it work better than the laity, usually.

 

[Mac1958]

I don't see much attempts at discussion in real life from the libs.

I'd agree with that. The Left is more likely to just shut down conversation by immediately attacking and insulting. I've noticed that people on the Right are far more likely and willing to have a conversation.

You won't like my theory as to why, though. I think their willingness to have long-form conversations is rooted in their devotion to talk radio. I listen to Limbaugh, Levin and Hannity (the three real leaders of the Right), and then I hear the same words, phrases and (most importantly) thought processes repeated by righties. I see threads started on USMB on a news item discussed by Rush not three minutes after he brings it up. Fairly frequently.

So, in both cases, a normal conversation can be difficult. I have these conversations pretty frequently in real life, though, and they mostly consist of me asking questions and listening carefully to the answers. Both ends are intellectually impenetrable at this point, but they do provide some interesting material.
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[BrokeLoser]

Is anybody courageous enough to discuss this topic?
Are there inherent deficiencies among certain ‘groups’?
Hoping Mac1958 will help out with this one.

1. I challenge you to support your unstated premise that socialism is working in non brown nations.

2. Any inherent differences are minor enough to not prevent a successful economy or political system.

1) I’m not patient enough for circle talk and redundancy so I’ll cut to the chase and direct you to that other thread here regarding communism lite and the Nordics. An argument could be made for Canada and a number of other non brown nations as well. Sorry.

2) Nobody sane and paying attention to statistics and data would agree with you. Brown people the world over are iQ and morally challenged...this is not opinion.

Look, Mac1958 is all up in your head, he’s got you scared to be totally honest with yourself...all pussies prefer that programming as it’s less confrontational. Don’t try to blind yourself for PC...You can’t spin it.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Mac1958 I started this thread to make a simple point.
You people whom are always pitching the need for communism lite in the U.S. are usually the same folks advocating for illegal Mexicans. You’re fucking yourselves big time by working against yourselves...free shit is not and will never be infinite. How does a nation $21 trillion in debt continue piling on low grade humans at the bottom with an off the charts fertility rate while paying down the debt and while providing more free shit to Americans?

“Excuse me neighbor, you’re more successful than I am and you’ve done better for yourself than I have so I’m gonna need you to pay my way… Oh and by the way, my buddy here Gustavo, he’s from Mexico and I’m going to need you to pay his way as well.”

Think about that logic.

 

[Tom Horn]

Is anybody courageous enough to discuss this topic?
Are there inherent deficiencies among certain ‘groups’?
Hoping Mac1958 will help out with this one.

Hot weather...they're lazy....pure capitalism was born in cold weather....in Europe and later in New England. Also, the elite class in S. America are mostly light-skinned and thus more ambitious, less prone to debauchery and violence than the dark-nippled people. Within a minute or two somebody will say this is "racist" but will silently agree with me.

 

[Mac1958]

Mac1958 I started this thread to make a simple point.
You people whom are always pitching the need for communism lite in the U.S. are usually the same folks advocating for illegal Mexicans. You’re fucking yourselves big time by working against yourselves...free shit is not and will never be infinite. How does a nation $21 trillion in debt continue piling on low grade humans at the bottom with an off the charts fertility rate while paying down the debt and while providing more free shit to Americans?

“Excuse me neighbor, you’re more successful than I am and you’ve done better for yourself than I have so I’m gonna need you to pay my way… Oh and by the way, my buddy here Gustavo, he’s from Mexico and I’m going to need you to pay his way as well.”

Think about that logic.

You have the White House, the House & the Senate.

Why hasn't your party enforced employment laws, which would make a huge difference virtually overnight?

Why hasn't your party fixed and improved the guest worker system?

You're complaining to the wrong person.
.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Mac1958 I started this thread to make a simple point.
You people whom are always pitching the need for communism lite in the U.S. are usually the same folks advocating for illegal Mexicans. You’re fucking yourselves big time by working against yourselves...free shit is not and will never be infinite. How does a nation $21 trillion in debt continue piling on low grade humans at the bottom with an off the charts fertility rate while paying down the debt and while providing more free shit to Americans?

“Excuse me neighbor, you’re more successful than I am and you’ve done better for yourself than I have so I’m gonna need you to pay my way… Oh and by the way, my buddy here Gustavo, he’s from Mexico and I’m going to need you to pay his way as well.”

Think about that logic.

You have the White House, the House & the Senate.

Why hasn't your party enforced employment laws, which would make a huge difference virtually overnight?

Why hasn't your party fixed and improved the guest worker system?

You're complaining to the wrong person.
.

Haha...that’s a blatant diversion.
Because all politicians are pieces of shits...the less they do the safer their job is. You know this.
Do you care to address my previous post?

 

[Mac1958]

Mac1958 I started this thread to make a simple point.
You people whom are always pitching the need for communism lite in the U.S. are usually the same folks advocating for illegal Mexicans. You’re fucking yourselves big time by working against yourselves...free shit is not and will never be infinite. How does a nation $21 trillion in debt continue piling on low grade humans at the bottom with an off the charts fertility rate while paying down the debt and while providing more free shit to Americans?

“Excuse me neighbor, you’re more successful than I am and you’ve done better for yourself than I have so I’m gonna need you to pay my way… Oh and by the way, my buddy here Gustavo, he’s from Mexico and I’m going to need you to pay his way as well.”

Think about that logic.

You have the White House, the House & the Senate.

Why hasn't your party enforced employment laws, which would make a huge difference virtually overnight?

Why hasn't your party fixed and improved the guest worker system?

You're complaining to the wrong person.
.

Haha...that’s a blatant diversion.
Because all politicians are pieces of shits...the less they do the safer their job is. You know this.
Do you care to address my previous post?

Ah, so you're not actually talking about DOING anything, you just want to complain.

Which other post? The one in which you talk about "low grade humans"? "Communism lite"? I'm not really sure what to say about that. You have your simplistic little world and you're clearly very comfy there. I'm just glad I'm not going through life like that.
.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Mac1958 I started this thread to make a simple point.
You people whom are always pitching the need for communism lite in the U.S. are usually the same folks advocating for illegal Mexicans. You’re fucking yourselves big time by working against yourselves...free shit is not and will never be infinite. How does a nation $21 trillion in debt continue piling on low grade humans at the bottom with an off the charts fertility rate while paying down the debt and while providing more free shit to Americans?

“Excuse me neighbor, you’re more successful than I am and you’ve done better for yourself than I have so I’m gonna need you to pay my way… Oh and by the way, my buddy here Gustavo, he’s from Mexico and I’m going to need you to pay his way as well.”

Think about that logic.

You have the White House, the House & the Senate.

Why hasn't your party enforced employment laws, which would make a huge difference virtually overnight?

Why hasn't your party fixed and improved the guest worker system?

You're complaining to the wrong person.
.

Haha...that’s a blatant diversion.
Because all politicians are pieces of shits...the less they do the safer their job is. You know this.
Do you care to address my previous post?

Ah, so you're not actually talking about DOING anything, you just want to complain.

Which other post? The one in which you talk about "low grade humans"? "Communism lite"? I'm not really sure what to say about that. You have your simplistic little world and you're clearly very comfy there. I'm just glad I'm not going through life like that.
.

Come on bud..this isn’t complex or trivial.
You know there is nothing I myself can do about it.
I’m asking you a very simple question...how can you make sense out of making a case for expanded socialism AND expanding our lowest grade demographic at the same time with a $21 trillion dollar debt?
Tell us how that all makes sense.

 

[Freiheit]

Mac1958 I started this thread to make a simple point.
You people whom are always pitching the need for communism lite in the U.S. are usually the same folks advocating for illegal Mexicans. You’re fucking yourselves big time by working against yourselves...free shit is not and will never be infinite. How does a nation $21 trillion in debt continue piling on low grade humans at the bottom with an off the charts fertility rate while paying down the debt and while providing more free shit to Americans?

“Excuse me neighbor, you’re more successful than I am and you’ve done better for yourself than I have so I’m gonna need you to pay my way… Oh and by the way, my buddy here Gustavo, he’s from Mexico and I’m going to need you to pay his way as well.”

Think about that logic.

You have the White House, the House & the Senate.

Why hasn't your party enforced employment laws, which would make a huge difference virtually overnight?

Why hasn't your party fixed and improved the guest worker system?

You're complaining to the wrong person.
.

Republicans like Democrats have not learned the truth of Einsteins famous quote "Doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result is insanity".

 

[Mac1958]

Mac1958 I started this thread to make a simple point.
You people whom are always pitching the need for communism lite in the U.S. are usually the same folks advocating for illegal Mexicans. You’re fucking yourselves big time by working against yourselves...free shit is not and will never be infinite. How does a nation $21 trillion in debt continue piling on low grade humans at the bottom with an off the charts fertility rate while paying down the debt and while providing more free shit to Americans?

“Excuse me neighbor, you’re more successful than I am and you’ve done better for yourself than I have so I’m gonna need you to pay my way… Oh and by the way, my buddy here Gustavo, he’s from Mexico and I’m going to need you to pay his way as well.”

Think about that logic.

You have the White House, the House & the Senate.

Why hasn't your party enforced employment laws, which would make a huge difference virtually overnight?

Why hasn't your party fixed and improved the guest worker system?

You're complaining to the wrong person.
.

Haha...that’s a blatant diversion.
Because all politicians are pieces of shits...the less they do the safer their job is. You know this.
Do you care to address my previous post?

Ah, so you're not actually talking about DOING anything, you just want to complain.

Which other post? The one in which you talk about "low grade humans"? "Communism lite"? I'm not really sure what to say about that. You have your simplistic little world and you're clearly very comfy there. I'm just glad I'm not going through life like that.
.

Come on bud..this isn’t complex or trivial.
You know there is nothing I myself can do about it.
I’m asking you a very simple question...how can you make sense out of making a case for expanded socialism AND expanding our lowest grade demographic at the same time with a $21 trillion dollar debt?
Tell us how that all makes sense.

It doesn't, especially the way you and Trump are doing it now. You're cheering him for adding a trillion to the debt to provide a short-term sugar rush to the economy. How naive.

Personal income taxes will have to be raised significantly. Not sure how that's a big mystery.
.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Mac1958 I started this thread to make a simple point.
You people whom are always pitching the need for communism lite in the U.S. are usually the same folks advocating for illegal Mexicans. You’re fucking yourselves big time by working against yourselves...free shit is not and will never be infinite. How does a nation $21 trillion in debt continue piling on low grade humans at the bottom with an off the charts fertility rate while paying down the debt and while providing more free shit to Americans?

“Excuse me neighbor, you’re more successful than I am and you’ve done better for yourself than I have so I’m gonna need you to pay my way… Oh and by the way, my buddy here Gustavo, he’s from Mexico and I’m going to need you to pay his way as well.”

Think about that logic.

You have the White House, the House & the Senate.

Why hasn't your party enforced employment laws, which would make a huge difference virtually overnight?

Why hasn't your party fixed and improved the guest worker system?

You're complaining to the wrong person.
.

Haha...that’s a blatant diversion.
Because all politicians are pieces of shits...the less they do the safer their job is. You know this.
Do you care to address my previous post?

Ah, so you're not actually talking about DOING anything, you just want to complain.

Which other post? The one in which you talk about "low grade humans"? "Communism lite"? I'm not really sure what to say about that. You have your simplistic little world and you're clearly very comfy there. I'm just glad I'm not going through life like that.
.

Come on bud..this isn’t complex or trivial.
You know there is nothing I myself can do about it.
I’m asking you a very simple question...how can you make sense out of making a case for expanded socialism AND expanding our lowest grade demographic at the same time with a $21 trillion dollar debt?
Tell us how that all makes sense.

It doesn't, especially the way you and Trump are doing it now. You're cheering him for adding a trillion to the debt to provide a short-term sugar rush to the economy. How naive.

Personal income taxes will have to be raised significantly. Not sure how that's a big mystery.
.

So continue inviting in the illegals and growing our lowest class while continuing to raise taxes on good Americans to fund them...is that what you’re saying?

 

[Mac1958]

You have the White House, the House & the Senate.

Why hasn't your party enforced employment laws, which would make a huge difference virtually overnight?

Why hasn't your party fixed and improved the guest worker system?

You're complaining to the wrong person.
.

Haha...that’s a blatant diversion.
Because all politicians are pieces of shits...the less they do the safer their job is. You know this.
Do you care to address my previous post?

Ah, so you're not actually talking about DOING anything, you just want to complain.

Which other post? The one in which you talk about "low grade humans"? "Communism lite"? I'm not really sure what to say about that. You have your simplistic little world and you're clearly very comfy there. I'm just glad I'm not going through life like that.
.

Come on bud..this isn’t complex or trivial.
You know there is nothing I myself can do about it.
I’m asking you a very simple question...how can you make sense out of making a case for expanded socialism AND expanding our lowest grade demographic at the same time with a $21 trillion dollar debt?
Tell us how that all makes sense.

It doesn't, especially the way you and Trump are doing it now. You're cheering him for adding a trillion to the debt to provide a short-term sugar rush to the economy. How naive.

Personal income taxes will have to be raised significantly. Not sure how that's a big mystery.
.

So continue inviting in the illegals in and growing our lowest class while continuing to raise taxes on good Americans to fund them...is that what you’re saying?

I've already suggested enforcing our employment laws and improving our guest worker system. You didn't like that, remember? That was too hard.

Since you don't seem to have many answers, I guess you'll just have to deal with what's coming. If you want to convince yourself that you're superior to those with darker skin to provide yourself with some kind of temporary self esteem boost, no skin off my nose.
.

 

[Rustic]

The problem with socialism/communism is that it requires forcing people that want nothing to do with it, will not benefit from it, and cannot afford it into it... by fucking spineless cowardly control freaks.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Haha...that’s a blatant diversion.
Because all politicians are pieces of shits...the less they do the safer their job is. You know this.
Do you care to address my previous post?

Ah, so you're not actually talking about DOING anything, you just want to complain.

Which other post? The one in which you talk about "low grade humans"? "Communism lite"? I'm not really sure what to say about that. You have your simplistic little world and you're clearly very comfy there. I'm just glad I'm not going through life like that.
.

Come on bud..this isn’t complex or trivial.
You know there is nothing I myself can do about it.
I’m asking you a very simple question...how can you make sense out of making a case for expanded socialism AND expanding our lowest grade demographic at the same time with a $21 trillion dollar debt?
Tell us how that all makes sense.

It doesn't, especially the way you and Trump are doing it now. You're cheering him for adding a trillion to the debt to provide a short-term sugar rush to the economy. How naive.

Personal income taxes will have to be raised significantly. Not sure how that's a big mystery.
.

So continue inviting in the illegals in and growing our lowest class while continuing to raise taxes on good Americans to fund them...is that what you’re saying?

I've already suggested enforcing our employment laws and improving our guest worker system. You didn't like that, remember? That was too hard.

Since you don't seem to have many answers, I guess you'll just have to deal with what's coming. If you want to convince yourself that you're superior to those with darker skin to provide yourself with some kind of temporary self esteem boost, no skin off my nose.
.

Oh I have lots of answers....see, I answer like any good, real American would...while you tap dance around and sprinkle in a little bullshit I’m clear and concise. My answer goes like this:
STOP ALL immigration from Mexico, Central and South America. Charge / arrest ALL politicians and employers who harbor, hire and encourage illegal immigration. Streamline the deportation process and AGGRESSIVELY seek out and arrest illegals for immediate removal.
Sounds like a pipe dream right...BUT that’s the right answer nonetheless.

 

[Vastator]

Haha...that’s a blatant diversion.
Because all politicians are pieces of shits...the less they do the safer their job is. You know this.
Do you care to address my previous post?

Ah, so you're not actually talking about DOING anything, you just want to complain.

Which other post? The one in which you talk about "low grade humans"? "Communism lite"? I'm not really sure what to say about that. You have your simplistic little world and you're clearly very comfy there. I'm just glad I'm not going through life like that.
.

Come on bud..this isn’t complex or trivial.
You know there is nothing I myself can do about it.
I’m asking you a very simple question...how can you make sense out of making a case for expanded socialism AND expanding our lowest grade demographic at the same time with a $21 trillion dollar debt?
Tell us how that all makes sense.

It doesn't, especially the way you and Trump are doing it now. You're cheering him for adding a trillion to the debt to provide a short-term sugar rush to the economy. How naive.

Personal income taxes will have to be raised significantly. Not sure how that's a big mystery.
.

So continue inviting in the illegals in and growing our lowest class while continuing to raise taxes on good Americans to fund them...is that what you’re saying?

. If you want to convince yourself that you're superior to those with darker skin to provide yourself with some kind of temporary self esteem boost, no skin off my nose.
.

There’s an obvious observation that you refuse to address. Ones own narcissism is hardly a threat. But when it comes to this notion of “white supremacy”; whites are hardly the only ones whom believe in it, or are guilty of perpetuating it. The non whites are just as guilty, and likely even more passionate about it; (for the record whites are the global minority.) given the the lengths to which they will go, and the risks they will take in order to bask in the shade of the “white mans” accomplishments, and gorge themselves on our generosity, and the fruits of our productivity.
And don’t bother to waste a second, of either of our time trying to convince anyone that you hadn’t noticed that the only place they are frantically attempting to access are historically, and traditionally White/Western nations.

 

[Mac1958]

Ah, so you're not actually talking about DOING anything, you just want to complain.

Which other post? The one in which you talk about "low grade humans"? "Communism lite"? I'm not really sure what to say about that. You have your simplistic little world and you're clearly very comfy there. I'm just glad I'm not going through life like that.
.

Come on bud..this isn’t complex or trivial.
You know there is nothing I myself can do about it.
I’m asking you a very simple question...how can you make sense out of making a case for expanded socialism AND expanding our lowest grade demographic at the same time with a $21 trillion dollar debt?
Tell us how that all makes sense.

It doesn't, especially the way you and Trump are doing it now. You're cheering him for adding a trillion to the debt to provide a short-term sugar rush to the economy. How naive.

Personal income taxes will have to be raised significantly. Not sure how that's a big mystery.
.

So continue inviting in the illegals in and growing our lowest class while continuing to raise taxes on good Americans to fund them...is that what you’re saying?

I've already suggested enforcing our employment laws and improving our guest worker system. You didn't like that, remember? That was too hard.

Since you don't seem to have many answers, I guess you'll just have to deal with what's coming. If you want to convince yourself that you're superior to those with darker skin to provide yourself with some kind of temporary self esteem boost, no skin off my nose.
.

Oh I have lots of answers....see, I answer like any good, real American would...while you tap dance around and sprinkle in a little bullshit I’m clear and concise. My answer goes like this:
STOP ALL immigration from Mexico, Central and South America. Charge / arrest ALL politicians and employers who harbor, hire and encourage illegal immigration. Streamline the deportation process and AGGRESSIVELY seek out and arrest illegals for immediate removal.
Sounds like a pipe dream right...BUT that’s the right answer nonetheless.

Okie dokie. Let me know how it goes.
.

 

[Mac1958]

Ah, so you're not actually talking about DOING anything, you just want to complain.

Which other post? The one in which you talk about "low grade humans"? "Communism lite"? I'm not really sure what to say about that. You have your simplistic little world and you're clearly very comfy there. I'm just glad I'm not going through life like that.
.

Come on bud..this isn’t complex or trivial.
You know there is nothing I myself can do about it.
I’m asking you a very simple question...how can you make sense out of making a case for expanded socialism AND expanding our lowest grade demographic at the same time with a $21 trillion dollar debt?
Tell us how that all makes sense.

It doesn't, especially the way you and Trump are doing it now. You're cheering him for adding a trillion to the debt to provide a short-term sugar rush to the economy. How naive.

Personal income taxes will have to be raised significantly. Not sure how that's a big mystery.
.

So continue inviting in the illegals in and growing our lowest class while continuing to raise taxes on good Americans to fund them...is that what you’re saying?

. If you want to convince yourself that you're superior to those with darker skin to provide yourself with some kind of temporary self esteem boost, no skin off my nose.
.

There’s an obvious observation that you refuse to address. Ones own narcissism is hardly a threat. But when it comes to this notion of “white supremacy”; whites are hardly the only ones whom believe in it, or are guilty of perpetuating it. The non whites are just as guilty, and likely even more passionate about it; (for the record whites are the global minority.) given the the lengths to which they will go, and the risks they will take in order to bask in the shade of the “white mans” accomplishments, and gorge themselves on our generosity, and the fruits of our productivity.
And don’t bother to waste a second, of either of our time trying to convince anyone that you hadn’t noticed that the only place they are frantically attempting to access are historically, and traditionally White/Western nations.

Okay. So what, exactly, are you going to do about all this?
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