"Common sense gun control"

[woodwork201]

Yep.....and he sits in judgement of other gun owners who have done nothing close to what he did...

Projecting his own crimes onto other gun owners. Since he's a criminal with a gun he assumes all gun owners are criminals, equally dishonest, dishonorable, untrustworthy, as himself.

 

[White 6]

2aguy, you make a great point and I completely missed it when I read white6's confession.

white6 has openly confessed to committing a felony by intentionally lying to the police engaged in the investigation of a crime. That's lying to the police and obstruction of justice. Depending on his state, that could be up to 15 years in prison for lying and another 10 for obstruction. By the very laws he supports, he no longer has the right to keep and bear arms. All that's left is to report his crime to the FBI and watch it happen. But, since I don't believe a word he said, I won't report it. I wonder if he wants to insist that it's true that he committed a felony.

White 6 solved the problem, by talking to the neighbor. I am known to handle not only my own problems, but neighborhood problems, at times with direct intervention. When I needed police to handle something too risky, I have call them. Neighbor never did anything like that again. Other neighbor were aware. They knew the person and trusted my judgement, whether you do or not. Goal is not to get people in trouble with authorities if there is a problem. Goal is to stop or solve the problem.

 

[White 6]

Well, that's a fucking lie, isn't it? You openly admitted to committing multiple felonies. Do the military, security, and intel agencies know you're a felon?

Try to remember reality. A felon is not a felon until charged and proven in a court. I'm good with local police and my neighbors. Always have been and probably always will be. Neighbor know me as somebody to call or go get when something comes up, so they do.

 

[White 6]

So you don't believe what I said about AR-15 bans not being for public safety? You think Biden, and the Mayor of Chicago, and all other gun controllers care about public safety? Then why aren't they enforcing the gun laws we have? Why are they letting criminals who used guns in their crimes, who are forbidden from possessing guns, back out on the streets, dropping charges or giving very light sentences, and no bail before trial?

Taking my AR-15 does not do a thing to save a baby in Chicago or Gary, Indiana. Harsh prison sentences, in prisons with harsh conditions, would go very far to reduce the number of dead babies in Chicago. Biden, Mayor Lightfoot, and all the gun controllers, including you, don't give a shit about public safety and gun control; you only want to disarm those who represent a potential threat to tyrannical, socialist, government.

Did somebody take your AR-15? They didn't take mine. What did you do? Got any 5.56 you want to sell cheap, since you won't be needing it?

 

[justinacolmena]

Go look up the Miller case.

The Supreme Court determined that the Second applies to firearms in general use by the military.

So by SCOTUS precedent, the Constitution doesn't apply to gun rights anymore.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

I'm not grabbing jack, I just don't support your all the guns for all without regulation of any kind whatsoever, as it is not what the founding fathers intended...

Correct.

The Second Amendment is neither ‘absolute’ nor ‘unlimited.’

The notion that all firearm regulatory measures are somehow an ‘infringement’ on the Second Amendment right is both wrong and ridiculous.

 

[justinacolmena]

When the filthy ass anti gun nuts claim that the Second does not apply to military type weapons then they are simply wrong.

You're mental and they throw you in the nut house to revoke your gun rights if you haven't committed a felony they can convict you on.

 

[justinacolmena]

Correct.

The Second Amendment is neither ‘absolute’ nor ‘unlimited.’

The notion that all firearm regulatory measures are somehow an ‘infringement’ on the Second Amendment right is both wrong and ridiculous.

You can't grab my guns and tell me with a straight face you're not infringing my rights. Liar.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Go look up the Miller case.

The Supreme Court determined that the Second applies to firearms in general use by the military.

The Miller Court also held that the regulatory provisions of the National Firearms Act were perfectly Constitutional and did not violate the Second Amendment, that the Second Amendment right is neither ‘absolute’ nor ‘unlimited,’ and that there are firearms outside of the scope of the Second Amendment not entitled to Constitutional protections – such as an unregistered shotgun with a barrel less than 18 inches long.

 

[Flash]

The Miller Court also held that the regulatory provisions of the National Firearms Act were perfectly Constitutional and did not violate the Second Amendment, that the Second Amendment right is neither ‘absolute’ nor ‘unlimited,’ and that there are firearms outside of the scope of the Second Amendment not entitled to Constitutional protections – such as an unregistered shotgun with a barrel less than 18 inches long.

As it pertains to firearms not in general use by the military.

Miller was found guilty of violating the stupid NFA law because the Court erroneously determined that he had a weapon not in common use by the military.

 

[justinacolmena]

The Miller Court also held that the regulatory provisions of the National Firearms Act were perfectly Constitutional and did not violate the Second Amendment, that the Second Amendment right is neither ‘absolute’ nor ‘unlimited,’ and that there are firearms outside of the scope of the Second Amendment not entitled to Constitutional protections – such as an unregistered shotgun with a barrel less than 18 inches long.

Dems, Socialists and Commies just need to be flogged, whipped, and beaten, flailed with heavy chains until they understand the words "shall not be infringed" in a true and correct plain reading of the law. Without that the court is out of its jurisdiction with its gross distortion of laws, patent lies, black-robed barratry, powdered wigs, and all sorts of other liberal nonsense and misinterpretation.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Miller was found guilty of violating the stupid NFA law because the Court erroneously determined that he had a weapon not in common use by the military.

And because no one was present to argue Miller's side before the Court, to point out the factual errors on which their ruling was ultimately based, nor to argue for a more reasonably broad reading of the Second Amendment which would have rendered those errors moot anyway.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

You can't grab my guns and tell me with a straight face you're not infringing my rights. Liar.

No one wants to ‘grab your guns’ – you’re the typical liar and dishonest rightist.

Conservatives’ ignorance of, and contempt for, the Constitution is why it’s pointless to address the Second Amendment with the willfully ignorant right.

 

[Flash]

There is a major problem with challenging gun laws through the courts. It is called standing.

In order to challenge a law you have to have standing.

The problem is that most firearm violation are connected to some other crime. Most of those cases are pleaded out long before they get to the Supreme Court. It is hard to have a clean stand alone challenge to the base infringement law.

That is one of the reasons there have been very few real infringement cases brought to the Supreme Court.

Two exceptions have been Heller and McDonald.

Miller could have been one of those had Miller ever shown up for court and his lawyers aggressively challenged the legality of the filthy NFA law.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

As it pertains to firearms not in general use by the military.

Miller was found guilty of violating the stupid NFA law because the Court erroneously determined that he had a weapon not in common use by the military.

Wrong.

The Court reaffirmed the fact that not all firearms are entitled to Constitutional protections, that dangerous and unusual weapons – such as a sawed-off shotgun – can be subject to government regulation, and that the NFA is perfectly lawful and in no manner violates the Second Amendment.

The Second Amendment is neither ‘absolute’ nor ‘unlimited’ – it is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose.

Government has the authority to regulate firearms consistent with Second Amendment jurisprudence.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The problem is that most firearm violation are connected to some other crime. Most of those cases are pleaded out long before they get to the Supreme Court. It is hard to have a clean stand alone challenge to the base infringement law.

This is a lie.

Recent Supreme Court cases concerning firearms had nothing to do with crimes or criminal law.

Both Heller and McDonald addressed the regulation of firearms, in particular handgun prohibitions; the plaintiffs were not criminal defendants.

McDonald also addressed incorporating the Second Amendment to the states and local jurisdictions.

Likewise, the case the Court will hear this term concerning New York’s may issue carry permit policy has nothing to do with criminal law or criminal defendants.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Prohibition was indeed stupid, just like Federal laws on marijuana. Full auto machine guns have no place in a stable, yet crowed society and indeed should be regulated. Regulation is just another tool, but does not infringe on legitimate uses of personal weapons by the vast, the vast majority of Americans. Don't expect me to cry, that you can't mount an M-60 on your pickup truck, on the streets.

You think automatic weapons have no place, others differ. That’s the nice thing about a free society we can make up our minds. Do you have a problem with the rich and celebrities private guards carrying full auto weapons? Many of them do you know.@

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

That is one of the reasons there have been very few real infringement cases brought to the Supreme Court.

Another lie.

The Court often does not disclose why it refuses to hear a case.

The consensus is that the Court is satisfied with allowing Second Amendment jurisprudence to continue to evolve at the state-level and that cases are not ripe for review.

 

[White 6]

You think automatic weapons have no place, others differ. That’s the nice thing about a free society we can make up our minds. Do you have a problem with the rich and celebrities private guards carrying full auto weapons? Many of them do you know.@

Yes, but if they have passed all requirements in place, regarding background, training documentations, security, etc, then you won't ever hear me kick up a fuss.

 

[justinacolmena]

No one wants to ‘grab your guns’ – you’re the typical liar and dishonest rightist.

Every federal, state, local, city cop in America, in perfect solidarity with the AFL-CIO police unions.

Conservatives’ ignorance of, and contempt for, the Constitution is why it’s pointless to address the Second Amendment with the willfully ignorant right.

Conservatives are simply reading and interpreting the phrase "shall not be infringed" simply as it as stated without exceptions because there are none.