Ted Cruz nails it on common sense gun control....

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    Cruz explains the democrats to a "T" and then goes on to propose actual reforms that will help lower crime.......

    Two of the ideas...... long prison sentences, and giving access to the Federal background Database, are my ideas too......

    LISTEN: Cruz Urges Republicans Not To Cave On Second Amendment; Warns Of ‘Mandatory Gun Confiscation’ Proposals From Dem Candidates

    The Democrats’ proposal would not have prevented any of these mass murders. We ought to be focusing seriously, substantively on how you stop these horrific crimes – and what they’re proposing wouldn’t do it. What I’m proposing has a far greater likelihood of preventing these kinds of crimes.

    Not only that. Democratic gun confiscation proposals, which are getting more and more common – and by the way, when it comes to gun confiscation on the Left, it starts with so-called "assault rifles," but the next step is handguns. Now, at this point, I expect people around the room to snicker and say, "Come on! That’s ridiculous. They’ll never go to handguns." Just remember that in about 24 months when we see them pushing for handgun confiscation – they have not yet proposed it, but that is, I believe, their ultimate goal ... full confiscation – that would cost lives.

    According to a press release from Sen. Chuck Grassley's official website, the Grassley-Cruz legislation would (the following bullet points are taken verbatim from Grassley's website):


    • Improve and reauthorize grants for NICS database;
    • Increase federal prosecution of gun violence by establishing the Nationwide Project Exile Program and establishing a high-level federal taskforce;
    • Responsibly addresses gun violence by criminalizing straw purchasing of firearms and gun trafficking;
    • Protect the Second Amendment rights of members of the armed forces;
    • Require the Department of Justice to explain to Congress why it has or has not been prosecuting gun cases;
    • Place limitations on operations like Fast and Furious by DOJ;
    • Allow firearms dealers to utilize the NICS database to for voluntary background checks of employees; and
    • Allow firearms dealers to access the FBI’s National Crime Information Center stolen-gun database to ensure that a firearm is not stolen prior to acquisition.
     
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    This point of the Grassley/Cruz improvements to gun laws.....? This really needs to be looked at....

    Require the Department of Justice to explain to Congress why it has or has not been prosecuting gun cases;
     
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    Could be a good first step, but other stuff will be needed. Like making the owner responsible for what his gun is used for if he lends it to someone. Someone who gets his gun stolen is barred from ever buying guns again. Put a limit on how many bullet one can buy in a year. If you target shoot, maybe you could buy more rounds at the shooting range, but you'd have to shoot them all right there. Get rid of AR-15s and the like. No guns show sales, all sales need to go through a dealer. ...
     
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    Wow......you just posted a pile of crap....

    Why do you always go after the people who didn't commit any crime while voting for a political party that keeps letting actual criminals out of jail?

    Nothing you just posted would stop criminals or mass shooters.....your only target is normal gun owners...who don't commit any crimes with their guns.......

    And knives kill more people every single year than AR-15s do.....do you want to get rid of knives too? How about cars......? They kill more than AR-15 rifles.......403 dead by all rifles, 38,000 by car....can you see the difference in numbers....?

    Gun show sales go through a dealer you mope......please....know the issue before you post...calling you a twit, a mope, a dipstick takes up a lot of time......
     
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    My plan works.....yours does nothing....and the magic of my plan, it works without doing any of the silly things you want to do that do nothing to stop criminals or mass shooters...

    I support a life sentence on any criminal who uses a gun for an actual gun crime..... and 30 years if a criminal is caught in possession of a gun, even if they are not using it at that moment for crime.

    This will dry up gun crime over night. Criminals will stop using guns for robberies, rapes and murders.....and those who do will be gone forever......

    Criminals will also stop walking around with guns in their pants......which is the leading cause of random gang shootings in our cities. if they are stopped by police, with a gun in their pants, they are gone for 30 years...they will stop carrying those guns, and random gang violence will end.

    You implement this with two other things...

    1) No More Bargaining Away the Gun Charge.........it must be against the law to bargain away a gun charge as part of a plea deal....this stops.

    2) When a criminal is arrested for any crime, and booked in...they will be read the announcement that any use of a crime is a life sentence without parole, owning or carrying a gun as a felon is a 30 year sentence without parole....when they are released from custody...the same will be read to them again....when they meet their parole officer it will be read to them again.....the U.S. government will also buy and send out Public announcements on this policy on t.v. radio. and cable......

    That is how you stop gun crime over night.

    Mass shooters are different..... but with only 93 people killed in mass public shootings in 2018, they are not the major problem in gun crime.

    The value in my plan......it actually targets the individuals actually using guns to commit crimes and murder people....

    It does not require new background check laws, it does not require gun licensing, licensing gun owners, gun registration, new taxes, fees or regulations on guns...

    By making gun crime a life sentence, criminals will stop using guns for crime and will stop carrying guns around for protection.....

    Also....a nurse, with a legal gun, driving from Pennsylvania, to New Jersey, will not be considered a gun criminal.....that will end. Criminals with a record of crime, caught with a gun will get 30 years, no deals.....and criminals who use guns for actual crime...robbing the local store, rape, robbery, murder.....life without parole...

    This, of course, eliminates the need for more gun control laws...we can already do this.....
    Mass shooters

    1) end gun free zones

    2) get the media to stop covering mass shootings like it is the Oscars.....

    3) We are already seeing this...get people who know these nuts to report these nuts....

    4) Make sure the police who know these nuts arrest these nuts when they have the chance so they will pop on background checks....
    What does each do to stop mass shooters....

    1) keeps shooters from targeting people, since they target gun free zones.

    2) The media not covering it like they are the criminal oscars deters copycats...just like they stopped covering teen suicides to stop the copycat effect

    3) The only way to stop mass shooters, since they commit no other crime, is for family, coworkers and neighbors to report their violent behavior....the Odessa shooter should have felonies for the crimes he was committing but they didn't report his shooting his weapon from his front porch....

    4) The Parkland shooter had 33 contacts with police and numerous contacts with police at his school.....due to Obama's "Promise Program" the police never arrested him for the felonies he committed....so he didn't pop on the background check..
     
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    lol 'gun control' by Democrats is a giant joke; just look at their voting base in the barrios and hoods for how well they provide 'leadership' in their own nests.
     
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    You can't even discuss the subject rationally. It's all attack, smear, and post a ton of irrelevant shit to distract and to make it seem like you're actually adding something useful to the convo. Look, If you don't want a rational discussion, why start a thread? To show your greatness for the 15th time this week?
     
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    So what's wrong with being responsible for your own guns, even if you lend them?
     
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    Trump should try to use Ted as pointman on some issues. He's really good. Maybe he should nominate Ted for SCOTUS. That would be great
     
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