College Should Be Free.

[Hossfly]

College should be more free than a high school education is. We should actually pay students to go to college. Because though you can expect young adults to live at home when they go to high school, I wouldn't expect them to do the same when they are going to college. If a higher education has value, then it would be a benefit to society in general. Therefore making it worthy of something for the government to subsidize. Instead of expecting students to roll the dice when it comes to finding a job afterward with a huge student debt to pay off. France and Germany have free college education. And no doubt many other countries. The U.S. should too. I bet if this guy was running the U.S., we would have.

College is pretty much free....if you spend four years in the military. Get movin, girl!

Why should people be expected to flush four years of their lives down the toilet to do something that would be a benefit to society in general. And those four years would be better spent in college. Also, I used to be in the military. Though they provided my food and clothing, my pay wasn't good enough to save up for college after I left. So blow me.

I, like many servicemen, took college courses at education centers in the Army. Then when I retired from the Army I used the G.I.Bill to finish and get a degree. I never paid a cent for my education and I got money from the VA while attending college.

 

[wherewoof]

If we're going to offer free college that means it's everyone's right to attend the college of their choice correct?

*****CHUCKLE*****

I would have to first see what France and Germany does. But as long as you are getting a quality education, why would it matter. But if there is some university that has superior equipment, I would be more inclined to send the most gifted students there.

 

[wherewoof]

Yes. The "service based" economy they keep trying to sell the average American sucker on while sending jobs overseas is often a joke.

Yeah... I'm seeing something being attempted to be sold here. I'll let you know what it is after getting a few more questions answered.

*****CHUCKLE*****

Sold? As I said, in places like France and Germany it is already being done.

 

[wherewoof]

College should be more free than a high school education is. We should actually pay students to go to college. Because though you can expect young adults to live at home when they go to high school, I wouldn't expect them to do the same when they are going to college. If a higher education has value, then it would be a benefit to society in general. Therefore making it worthy of something for the government to subsidize. Instead of expecting students to roll the dice when it comes to finding a job afterward with a huge student debt to pay off. France and Germany have free college education. And no doubt many other countries. The U.S. should too. I bet if this guy was running the U.S., we would have.

College is pretty much free....if you spend four years in the military. Get movin, girl!

Why should people be expected to flush four years of their lives down the toilet to do something that would be a benefit to society in general. And those four years would be better spent in college. Also, I used to be in the military. Though they provided my food and clothing, my pay wasn't good enough to save up for college after I left. So blow me.

I know it's too hard for you to do Gertrude....but show this to your boyfriend. And then GFY.

3. Serve Your Country
Military service can make your education goals a reality. The Armed Forces tuition assistance is a powerful incentive for those serving in the armed forces to pursue their education. Both enlisted and officer military members can receive up to $4,500 annually for tuition and fees.

Eligibility, service requirements, application processes and restrictions differ among the military branches, National Guard and Reserves.






Another military option is the Post-9/11 GI Bill — an updated version of the World War II era legislation that may have helped your grandfather settle back into civilian life This benefit is offered to members of the military who have served at least 90 days on active duty since Sept. 11, 2001. Depending on length of service, the bill pays 40% to 100% of tuition and fees at a in-state public college or university, or up to $17,500 at a private or foreign school.

Unlike the Post-9/11 GI Bill, The Montgomery GI Bill requires service members to enroll in the program and pay $100 per month for a year ($1,200) in order to receive a monthly education benefit. Benefits vary, but a full-time student in college could receive approximately $1,500 a month through this program.

You can prepare for military service and pay for college at the same time through ROTC programs. Some college students get their entire tuition tab picked up through ROTC and have an opportunity to serve in the Army, Navy, Air Force or Marine Corps after they graduate.

PROS

• With the tuition assistance program, most of your tuition and fees are covered. Military on-the-job experience may translate into college credit.
• In certain situations, the new GI Bill allows transfer of benefits to spouses and children. As of Oct. 1, 2011, you can use it for nondegree programs and other professional training.
• GI Bill benefits are tax-free.
• ROTC programs can result in a full, four-year scholarship.

Go Online for Help

• Collegeboard.com/student/pay
• Fastweb.com
• Studentaid.ed.gov
• FinAid.org
• Irs.gov: IRS Publication 970, Tax Benefits for Education
• Free Application for Federal Student Aid
• Post-9/11 GI Bill and other programs

CONS

• Your studies may be interrupted by required military relocations or deployments, if you choose the Tuition Assistance Program.
• The Post 9/11 Bill requires specific length of service to qualify for transferability of benefits to a spouse or child.
• Tuition benefits can expire, so you need to apply for assistance within the specified timeframes.

I have two brothers who went to college through the GI Bill. But that program was ended. If there was anything done to replace it. it is probably horse shit. Otherwise they would have never done away with the GI Bill program.

 

[Damaged Eagle]

Come to think of it we could definitely lower the cost of college education by nationalizing them all and placing all the professors on the government/military pay scale. I'm sure those professors will enjoy working for O1-O3 pay.

*****CHUCKLE*****

 

[deltex1]

College should be more free than a high school education is. We should actually pay students to go to college. Because though you can expect young adults to live at home when they go to high school, I wouldn't expect them to do the same when they are going to college. If a higher education has value, then it would be a benefit to society in general. Therefore making it worthy of something for the government to subsidize. Instead of expecting students to roll the dice when it comes to finding a job afterward with a huge student debt to pay off. France and Germany have free college education. And no doubt many other countries. The U.S. should too. I bet if this guy was running the U.S., we would have.

College is pretty much free....if you spend four years in the military. Get movin, girl!

Why should people be expected to flush four years of their lives down the toilet to do something that would be a benefit to society in general. And those four years would be better spent in college. Also, I used to be in the military. Though they provided my food and clothing, my pay wasn't good enough to save up for college after I left. So blow me.

I, like many servicemen, took college courses at education centers in the Army. Then when I retired from the Army I used the G.I.Bill to finish and get a degree. I never paid a cent for my education and I got money from the VA while attending college.

Well done! My son just completed a phd program using that post 911 program. 45 k worth of education.....free.

 

[wherewoof]

College should be more free than a high school education is. We should actually pay students to go to college. Because though you can expect young adults to live at home when they go to high school, I wouldn't expect them to do the same when they are going to college. If a higher education has value, then it would be a benefit to society in general. Therefore making it worthy of something for the government to subsidize. Instead of expecting students to roll the dice when it comes to finding a job afterward with a huge student debt to pay off. France and Germany have free college education. And no doubt many other countries. The U.S. should too. I bet if this guy was running the U.S., we would have.

College is pretty much free....if you spend four years in the military. Get movin, girl!

Why should people be expected to flush four years of their lives down the toilet to do something that would be a benefit to society in general. And those four years would be better spent in college. Also, I used to be in the military. Though they provided my food and clothing, my pay wasn't good enough to save up for college after I left. So blow me.

I, like many servicemen, took college courses at education centers in the Army. Then when I retired from the Army I used the G.I.Bill to finish and get a degree. I never paid a cent for my education and I got money from the VA while attending college.

If you are going to be in the service, you need to be in the service. Not taking classes here and there. As it is, from what I hear, college students forget about 90% of the things they learned. What would the case be when you have military service to distract you. And by the time you were discharged, how much from your classes would you remember then. I have a couple brothers who served and went to college afterward on the GI Bill. It seems to me that is the best way to go.

 

[Cellblock2429]

College should be more free than a high school education is. We should actually pay students to go to college. Because though you can expect young adults to live at home when they go to high school, I wouldn't expect them to do the same when they are going to college. If a higher education has value, then it would be a benefit to society in general. Therefore making it worthy of something for the government to subsidize. Instead of expecting students to roll the dice when it comes to finding a job afterward with a huge student debt to pay off. France and Germany have free college education. And no doubt many other countries. The U.S. should too. I bet if this guy was running the U.S., we would have.

/---- Who is going to PAY for your free education?

 

[gallantwarrior]

First, free for whom? Are college professors going to work gratis, just to ensure that everyone gets a college degree? And how will universities be funded? Do you expect alumni to kick in to pay for facilities, rent, taxes, etc? "Free" for whom?
If you are all in for the European model, why not require 14-yr-olds decide whether to pursue academic or trade careers? Not everyone is made for academic degrees. Lots, and lots of kids, do far better with hands-on, trade-type careers.
Unfortunately, anything the government pays for is NOT free. The taxpayer foots the bill. Since I am a taxpayer, and my taxes are intended to foot the bill for "free" college, don't you think I should have some voice in just how that "free" education is parceled out?

 

[Cellblock2429]

College should be more free than a high school education is. We should actually pay students to go to college. Because though you can expect young adults to live at home when they go to high school, I wouldn't expect them to do the same when they are going to college. If a higher education has value, then it would be a benefit to society in general. Therefore making it worthy of something for the government to subsidize. Instead of expecting students to roll the dice when it comes to finding a job afterward with a huge student debt to pay off. France and Germany have free college education. And no doubt many other countries. The U.S. should too. I bet if this guy was running the U.S., we would have.

/---- Who is going to PAY for your free education?

 

[Damaged Eagle]

I would have to first see what France and Germany does. But as long as you are getting a quality education, why would it matter. But if there is some university that has superior equipment, I would be more inclined to send the most gifted students there.

Why should it matter what France and Germany does?

You want to allow people to be college educated...

So you're proposing that 200 million plus people living in the United States are going to be given the right to attend college.

Where do you propose we get the money for this grand project? Plundering and pillaging other countries?

*****CHUCKLE*****

 

[gallantwarrior]

If we're going to offer free college that means it's everyone's right to attend the college of their choice correct?

*****CHUCKLE*****

I would have to first see what France and Germany does. But as long as you are getting a quality education, why would it matter. But if there is some university that has superior equipment, I would be more inclined to send the most gifted students there.

If you like France and Germany so much, go. Move on. I'm sure they will welcome you. In case you haven't noticed, this is not France, or Germany.
While I am not entirely knowledgeable about France, I do know that Germany has an education system that fosters both academic and trade-based education.

 

[wherewoof]

College should be more free than a high school education is. We should actually pay students to go to college. Because though you can expect young adults to live at home when they go to high school, I wouldn't expect them to do the same when they are going to college. If a higher education has value, then it would be a benefit to society in general. Therefore making it worthy of something for the government to subsidize. Instead of expecting students to roll the dice when it comes to finding a job afterward with a huge student debt to pay off. France and Germany have free college education. And no doubt many other countries. The U.S. should too. I bet if this guy was running the U.S., we would have.

/---- Who is going to PAY for your free education?

You. And only you! You will be driven like a dog with whips.

 

[wherewoof]

First, free for whom? Are college professors going to work gratis, just to ensure that everyone gets a college degree? And how will universities be funded? Do you expect alumni to kick in to pay for facilities, rent, taxes, etc? "Free" for whom?
If you are all in for the European model, why not require 14-yr-olds decide whether to pursue academic or trade careers? Not everyone is made for academic degrees. Lots, and lots of kids, do far better with hands-on, trade-type careers.
Unfortunately, anything the government pays for is NOT free. The taxpayer foots the bill. Since I am a taxpayer, and my taxes are intended to foot the bill for "free" college, don't you think I should have some voice in just how that "free" education is parceled out?

Students should be PAID to go to college. If the U.S. is getting short on doctors, engineers or something, sweeten the pot a little to get 14 year olds to decide to take that path. Next, do you know WHY the U.S. is in such a shitstorm? Because the voice you do have IS shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!+

If you ever saw the documentary "Where to invade next," you would know that the American worker has to work harder and longer, and pay more in taxes, to receive far less that what people in many other developed countries receive. That isn't a fairy story. It is a fact! Now what do you have to say.

 

[wherewoof]

I would have to first see what France and Germany does. But as long as you are getting a quality education, why would it matter. But if there is some university that has superior equipment, I would be more inclined to send the most gifted students there.

Why should it matter what France and Germany does?

You want to allow people to be college educated...

So you're proposing that 200 million plus people living in the United States are going to be given the right to attend college.

Where do you propose we get the money for this grand project? Plundering and pillaging other countries?

*****CHUCKLE*****

Get the money from the same god dammed place that places like France and Germany get it!

 

[Hossfly]

First, free for whom? Are college professors going to work gratis, just to ensure that everyone gets a college degree? And how will universities be funded? Do you expect alumni to kick in to pay for facilities, rent, taxes, etc? "Free" for whom?
If you are all in for the European model, why not require 14-yr-olds decide whether to pursue academic or trade careers? Not everyone is made for academic degrees. Lots, and lots of kids, do far better with hands-on, trade-type careers.
Unfortunately, anything the government pays for is NOT free. The taxpayer foots the bill. Since I am a taxpayer, and my taxes are intended to foot the bill for "free" college, don't you think I should have some voice in just how that "free" education is parceled out?

Students should be PAID to go to college. If the U.S. is getting short on doctors, engineers or something, sweeten the pot a little to get 14 year olds to decide to take that path. Next, do you know WHY the U.S. is in such a shitstorm? Because the voice you do have IS shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!+

If you ever saw the documentary "Where to invade next," you would know that the American worker has to work harder and longer, and pay more in taxes, to receive far less that what people in many other developed countries receive. That isn't a fairy story. It is a fact! Now what do you have to say.

Students do get paid if they have smarts. It's called GRANTS.

 

[gallantwarrior]

First, free for whom? Are college professors going to work gratis, just to ensure that everyone gets a college degree? And how will universities be funded? Do you expect alumni to kick in to pay for facilities, rent, taxes, etc? "Free" for whom?
If you are all in for the European model, why not require 14-yr-olds decide whether to pursue academic or trade careers? Not everyone is made for academic degrees. Lots, and lots of kids, do far better with hands-on, trade-type careers.
Unfortunately, anything the government pays for is NOT free. The taxpayer foots the bill. Since I am a taxpayer, and my taxes are intended to foot the bill for "free" college, don't you think I should have some voice in just how that "free" education is parceled out?

Students should be PAID to go to college. If the U.S. is getting short on doctors, engineers or something, sweeten the pot a little to get 14 year olds to decide to take that path. Next, do you know WHY the U.S. is in such a shitstorm? Because the voice you do have IS shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!+

If you ever saw the documentary "Where to invade next," you would know that the American worker has to work harder and longer, and pay more in taxes, to receive far less that what people in many other developed countries receive. That isn't a fairy story. It is a fact! Now what do you have to say.

What socialist backwater do you hail from? Doctors and engineers, etc, should be paid the same as the most humble laborer. From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs. Of course, pols require, and deserve, much larger portions. Where is your summer dacha, Komrad?

 

[wherewoof]

If we're going to offer free college that means it's everyone's right to attend the college of their choice correct?

*****CHUCKLE*****

I would have to first see what France and Germany does. But as long as you are getting a quality education, why would it matter. But if there is some university that has superior equipment, I would be more inclined to send the most gifted students there.

If you like France and Germany so much, go. Move on. I'm sure they will welcome you. In case you haven't noticed, this is not France, or Germany.
While I am not entirely knowledgeable about France, I do know that Germany has an education system that fosters both academic and trade-based education.

Why move there. Michale Moore already invaded them and brought the spoils back here. All we have to do is use them. For example, he showed in his documentary that school kids in Finland are among the best educated in the world. If not THE best educated. He brought back the "spoils" of how they did that. Would you like to know? They eliminated homework! And in the vast majority of cases, their tests don't have multiple choices like ours have.

 

[Hossfly]

If we're going to offer free college that means it's everyone's right to attend the college of their choice correct?

*****CHUCKLE*****

I would have to first see what France and Germany does. But as long as you are getting a quality education, why would it matter. But if there is some university that has superior equipment, I would be more inclined to send the most gifted students there.

If you like France and Germany so much, go. Move on. I'm sure they will welcome you. In case you haven't noticed, this is not France, or Germany.
While I am not entirely knowledgeable about France, I do know that Germany has an education system that fosters both academic and trade-based education.

Why move there. Michale Moore already invaded them and brought the spoils back here. All we have to do is use them. For example, he showed in his documentary that school kids in Finland are among the best educated in the world. If not THE best educated. He brought back the "spoils" of how they did that. Would you like to know? They eliminated homework! And in the vast majority of cases, their tests don't have multiple choices like ours have.

I'm curious. How old are you?

 

[Damaged Eagle]

Get the money from the same god dammed place that places like France and Germany get it!

It should be quite a trick for the US government to come up with the 50-100 trillion dollars needed to send all the +200 million people to college.

Has the government discovered a way to turn lead into to gold?

While we're at it who's going to be doing all the hard labor while everyone is being educated?

*****CHUCKLE*****