College Education In America Is A Giant Money Making Scam

[longknife]

29 Shocking Facts That Prove That

By Michael, on May 7th, 2013 @ 29 Shocking Facts That Prove That College Education In America Is A Giant Money Making Scam

I know a lot of people are gonna try to debunk this and there isn't a lot I can do other than to point to the numerous links provided in the article. Here's an excerpt of a couple of claims.

-”After two years in college, 45% of students showed no significant gains in learning; after four years, 36% showed little change.”

-”Students also spent 50% less time studying compared with students a few decades ago”

-”35% of students report spending five or fewer hours per week studying alone.”

-”50% said they never took a class in a typical semester where they wrote more than 20 pages”

-”32% never took a course in a typical semester where they read more than 40 pages per week.”

 

[waltky]

No wonder they're ticked off...

Weak labor market awaits Class of 2013
WASHINGTON | Sat May 11, 2013 - Stacey Kalivas should be celebrating her graduation from college later this week. Instead, the 22 year-old is getting ready to move back home with broken dreams and in debt.

Kalivas is a member of the class of 2013, the fifth successive wave of students to enter into a stubbornly weak U.S. labor market - marked by high unemployment, a large number of part-time workers and many who have given up the hunt for jobs. "It's kind of tough to be graduating and not having anything," said Kalivas. The finance major will graduate from Bryant University in Smithfield, Rhode Island on May 18. It has been nearly four years since the end of the worst U.S. economic downturn since the Great Depression, but the recovery has been too spotty to patch up the deep scars.

Sarah Azad, a senior majoring in telecommunications at New York City College of Technology, waits to meet with potential employers at the 2012 Big Apple Job and Internship Fair at the Javits Center in New York

Growth has struggled to rise much above 2 percent on a yearly basis, with quarters of relatively strong expansion typically followed by lulls. Employers have been reluctant to ramp-up hiring, leaving unemployment at 7.5 percent - nearly three percentage points above its pre-recession level. Employers plan to hire only 2.1 percent more new college graduates this year than in 2012, according to a survey from the National Association of Colleges and Employers. Last fall they thought the increase would be 13 percent. A separate survey by staffing firm Adecco found that about 58 percent of 500 hiring managers across the country have no plans to hire new graduates. Of those hiring, more than two thirds said they would take only one or two candidates.

These grim statistics resonate with Kalivas. In her search for a job as a financial analyst, she has applied for seven positions. "It's frustrating because I feel like I will be more than qualified for the job description, but I am not even making it past the first stage," she said. Similar tales are recounted by other students. "Nobody is hiring or accepting interns," said Brian Dobson, who recently graduated from the University of New Hampshire with a degree in political science. The 29-year-old, Iraq war veteran has submitted resumes to 15 companies hoping to find employment in either public affairs, marketing or as a lobbyist. All have been met with rejections.

HIGH GRADUATE UNDEREMPLOYMENT

 

[Saigon]

American students score 23rd in math and 31st in science when compared with 65 other top industrial countries. In math, we are beaten by countries from Lichtenstein and Slovakia to the Netherlands and Singapore. In science, we are beaten by countries from New Zealand and Estonia to Finland and Hungary.

U.S lag in science, math a disaster in the making - CNN.com

Note that the countries which perform best also have state-funded education.

 

[editec]

Where did "The American Dream" get these statistics?

The fact that they do not bother to mention it, makes this article suspect.

 

[rightwinger]

Much of College Education is a scam

You pay $100,000 for an education for a job that pays $30,000

But as previously noted, Americans are not that good at math

 

[Truthmatters]

do you guys know WHY its like that now?

 

[martybegan]

Much of College Education is a scam

You pay $100,000 for an education for a job that pays $30,000

But as previously noted, Americans are not that good at math

College used to be only for the top tier of students, now it is expected that everyone needs to have a degree. To be frank some of them have no real reason to be in higher education.

Trades still provide a good living, but we have made them out to be something substandard.

We need less art history/communication majors and more plumbers.

 

[editec]

Much of College Education is a scam

You pay $100,000 for an education for a job that pays $30,000

But as previously noted, Americans are not that good at math

Yes, the return on investment for a kid considering college today certainly isn't what it used to be, on that we agree.

Obviously the field of study plays a huge role in that analysis.

College costs are rising faster than the rate of inflation even as incomes (overall) have been declining.

 

[rightwinger]

Much of College Education is a scam

You pay $100,000 for an education for a job that pays $30,000

But as previously noted, Americans are not that good at math

College used to be only for the top tier of students, now it is expected that everyone needs to have a degree. To be frank some of them have no real reason to be in higher education.

Trades still provide a good living, but we have made them out to be something substandard.

We need less art history/communication majors and more plumbers.

It used to be that all you needed to enter the workforce was an eigth grade education. High School was considered top tier. Vocational Studies were handled through an apprenticeship. College was for the rich

Now, any mundane job requires a college degree and the market is flooded with graduates.

My favorite scam is the unpaid internship. Bring in 20 interns, work their asses off for the potential of a job and send 19 of them packing.

 

[martybegan]

Much of College Education is a scam

You pay $100,000 for an education for a job that pays $30,000

But as previously noted, Americans are not that good at math

College used to be only for the top tier of students, now it is expected that everyone needs to have a degree. To be frank some of them have no real reason to be in higher education.

Trades still provide a good living, but we have made them out to be something substandard.

We need less art history/communication majors and more plumbers.

It used to be that all you needed to enter the workforce was an eight grade education. High School was considered top tier. Vocational Studies were handled through an apprenticeship. College was for the rich

Now, any mundane job requires a college degree and the market is flooded with graduates.

My favorite scam is the unpaid internship. Bring in 20 interns, work their asses off for the potential of a job and send 19 of them packing.

I never had to deal with that. All Engineering Interships are paid.

Your reference to vocational schools is spot on. We need to bring them back at the high school level. NYC has something similar to those, like Aviation High School, Edison, and Automotive High school, but they are a drop in the pond.

 

[Katzndogz]

We stopped teaching basic core subjects in elementary school. Math was replace with sex ed. Science was replaced with sensitivity training. There is no way we can compete with other countries.

 

[rightwinger]

We stopped teaching basic core subjects in elementary school. Math was replace with sex ed. Science was replaced with sensitivity training. There is no way we can compete with other countries.

You forgot where we stopped teaching the bible as a core subject

 

[Saigon]

We stopped teaching basic core subjects in elementary school. Math was replace with sex ed. Science was replaced with sensitivity training. There is no way we can compete with other countries.

So you do agree that countries like Germany, France, Japan, New Zealand and Scandinavia have a better school system than the US?

 

[Katzndogz]

We stopped teaching basic core subjects in elementary school. Math was replace with sex ed. Science was replaced with sensitivity training. There is no way we can compete with other countries.

You forgot where we stopped teaching the bible as a core subject

I note that you put the Bible in with math and science. We stopped teaching history and geography too. Shall we add that to the list.

If we are going to teach basic science, why, that's just as bad as teaching right out of the Old Testament. First thing, stop teaching that dinosaurs and people existed at the same time. Second thing, stop teaching about dinosaurs at all and replace it with the proper performance of fisting for maximum enjoyment.

 

[martybegan]

We stopped teaching basic core subjects in elementary school. Math was replace with sex ed. Science was replaced with sensitivity training. There is no way we can compete with other countries.

So you do agree that countries like Germany, France, Japan, New Zealand and Scandinavia have a better school system than the US?

Or they may have better overall students than the US.

 

[Saigon]

We stopped teaching basic core subjects in elementary school. Math was replace with sex ed. Science was replaced with sensitivity training. There is no way we can compete with other countries.

So you do agree that countries like Germany, France, Japan, New Zealand and Scandinavia have a better school system than the US?

Or they may have better overall students than the US.

Well, that's true, I guess, but it seems a little strange to me that one generation of American's were amongst the best in the world, and the next generation is not.

 

[martybegan]

So you do agree that countries like Germany, France, Japan, New Zealand and Scandinavia have a better school system than the US?

Or they may have better overall students than the US.

Well, that's true, I guess, but it seems a little strange to me that one generation of American's were amongst the best in the world, and the next generation is not.

Europe and Japan did have that pesky WWII thing happen that probably affected thier school systems for a few generations.

Prior to WWII (and the Nazis) the German education system from top to bottom was second to none when it came to the hard sciences.

 

[Skull Pilot]

The simple fact is not everyone needs to go to college.

If we didn't have to cater to all the people who really shouldn't be in college then we wouldn't have to grade on a curve.

 

[Saigon]

Marty -

According to Newsweek, Japan ranks #9 in the world for education, and the US rans #11. Germany ranks a surprsingly low #12.

Interactive Infographic of the World's Best Countries - Newsweek and The Daily Beast

 

[martybegan]

Marty -

According to Newsweek, Japan ranks #9 in the world for education, and the US rans #11. Germany ranks a surprsingly low #12.

Interactive Infographic of the World's Best Countries - Newsweek and The Daily Beast

Thats basically within the margin of error in my opinion. Who cares if you are 9,11 or 12 as long as you arent in the 30-50+ catagory.