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the short memory subset of americans are most probably the same subset of americans who supported this invasion from beginning to end.
some more got sucked in but they woke up long ago
rabbi, it is useless trying to reason with guys like you.
the bush administration was set from the beginning to find a way to invade iraq and find a justification for it.
they seized the opportunity 9/11 presented.
but the facts were not on their side, and on top of that, they lacked diplomatic skills, being basically narrow-minded arrogant pricks like you.
that's why they had to lie and hoodwink other governments and their US american opposition into supporting their drum-up to war, as a last resort, they told.
it was their FIRST resort.
that became clearer and clearer between 2002 and 2003.
that's why france, russia and germany told them publically NO, not with us.
not under these pretenses.
when powell's bizarre clownery before the UN failed, they went ahead anyway, because that's what they wanted.
no warnings, no doubts, no intelligence would ever have changed that.
they wanted in.
and they did.
and it happened like it was predicted by many sides.
and now you sit on a deficit and blame it on obama and the democrats who voted for the authorization of power.
iraq is destroyed, many life's lost, and america-haters are having one field-day after another. lol
dunce.
Unfortunately this thread is not about America's invasion of Iraq, which has been discussed ad nauseam. It is about the supposed warning by two wascally Germans. The Germans have no moral standing at all on this, having been proven self-dealing, lying and treacherous.
You haven't refuted anything I wrote, merely repeated left wing and Euro-wienie talking points on America and Iraq.
i know perfectly well what this thread is about.
you should read it if you have the time.
Unfortunately this thread is not about America's invasion of Iraq, which has been discussed ad nauseam. It is about the supposed warning by two wascally Germans. The Germans have no moral standing at all on this, having been proven self-dealing, lying and treacherous.
You haven't refuted anything I wrote, merely repeated left wing and Euro-wienie talking points on America and Iraq.
i know perfectly well what this thread is about.
you should read it if you have the time.
So either you are derailing the conversation because you know you're wrong or you're really that dumb. Which is it?
rabbi, it is useless trying to reason with guys like you.
the bush administration was set from the beginning to find a way to invade iraq and find a justification for it.
they seized the opportunity 9/11 presented.
but the facts were not on their side, and on top of that, they lacked diplomatic skills, being basically narrow-minded arrogant pricks like you.
that's why they had to lie and hoodwink other governments and their US american opposition into supporting their drum-up to war, as a last resort, they told.
it was their FIRST resort.
that became clearer and clearer between 2002 and 2003.
that's why france, russia and germany told them publically NO, not with us.
not under these pretenses.
when powell's bizarre clownery before the UN failed, they went ahead anyway, because that's what they wanted.
no warnings, no doubts, no intelligence would ever have changed that.
they wanted in.
and they did.
and it happened like it was predicted by many sides.
and now you sit on a deficit and blame it on obama and the democrats who voted for the authorization of power.
iraq is destroyed, many life's lost, and america-haters are having one field-day after another. lol
dunce.
Unfortunately this thread is not about America's invasion of Iraq, which has been discussed ad nauseam. It is about the supposed warning by two wascally Germans. The Germans have no moral standing at all on this, having been proven self-dealing, lying and treacherous.
You haven't refuted anything I wrote, merely repeated left wing and Euro-wienie talking points on America and Iraq.
You're relying on the words of a 60s radical and a country that was secretly violating sanctions and playing footsie with Saddam in Food for Oil?? Really????
The Germans have no credibility on this issue. None. They are the biggest pussies in Europe, afraid of everything, most of all themselves.
rabbi, it is useless trying to reason with guys like you.
the bush administration was set from the beginning to find a way to invade iraq and find a justification for it.
they seized the opportunity 9/11 presented.
but the facts were not on their side, and on top of that, they lacked diplomatic skills, being basically narrow-minded arrogant pricks like you.
that's why they had to lie and hoodwink other governments and their US american opposition into supporting their drum-up to war, as a last resort, they told.
it was their FIRST resort.
that became clearer and clearer between 2002 and 2003.
that's why france, russia and germany told them publically NO, not with us.
not under these pretenses.
when powell's bizarre clownery before the UN failed, they went ahead anyway, because that's what they wanted.
no warnings, no doubts, no intelligence would ever have changed that.
they wanted in.
and they did.
and it happened like it was predicted by many sides.
and now you sit on a deficit and blame it on obama and the democrats who voted for the authorization of power.
iraq is destroyed, many life's lost, and america-haters are having one field-day after another. lol
dunce.
rabbi, it is useless trying to reason with guys like you.
the bush administration was set from the beginning to find a way to invade iraq and find a justification for it.
they seized the opportunity 9/11 presented.
but the facts were not on their side, and on top of that, they lacked diplomatic skills, being basically narrow-minded arrogant pricks like you.
that's why they had to lie and hoodwink other governments and their US american opposition into supporting their drum-up to war, as a last resort, they told.
it was their FIRST resort.
that became clearer and clearer between 2002 and 2003.
that's why france, russia and germany told them publically NO, not with us.
not under these pretenses.
when powell's bizarre clownery before the UN failed, they went ahead anyway, because that's what they wanted.
no warnings, no doubts, no intelligence would ever have changed that.
they wanted in.
and they did.
and it happened like it was predicted by many sides.
and now you sit on a deficit and blame it on obama and the democrats who voted for the authorization of power.
iraq is destroyed, many life's lost, and america-haters are having one field-day after another. lol
dunce.
You have yet to provide any evidence that Bush or his team lied about Iraq. Bush NEVER said Iraq was invaded due to 9/11, in fact he repeatedly said Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. On NATIONAL TV.
rabbi, it is useless trying to reason with guys like you.
the bush administration was set from the beginning to find a way to invade iraq and find a justification for it.
they seized the opportunity 9/11 presented.
but the facts were not on their side, and on top of that, they lacked diplomatic skills, being basically narrow-minded arrogant pricks like you.
that's why they had to lie and hoodwink other governments and their US american opposition into supporting their drum-up to war, as a last resort, they told.
it was their FIRST resort.
that became clearer and clearer between 2002 and 2003.
that's why france, russia and germany told them publically NO, not with us.
not under these pretenses.
when powell's bizarre clownery before the UN failed, they went ahead anyway, because that's what they wanted.
no warnings, no doubts, no intelligence would ever have changed that.
they wanted in.
and they did.
and it happened like it was predicted by many sides.
and now you sit on a deficit and blame it on obama and the democrats who voted for the authorization of power.
iraq is destroyed, many life's lost, and america-haters are having one field-day after another. lol
dunce.
You have yet to provide any evidence that Bush or his team lied about Iraq. Bush NEVER said Iraq was invaded due to 9/11, in fact he repeatedly said Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. On NATIONAL TV.
rabbi, it is useless trying to reason with guys like you.
the bush administration was set from the beginning to find a way to invade iraq and find a justification for it.
they seized the opportunity 9/11 presented.
but the facts were not on their side, and on top of that, they lacked diplomatic skills, being basically narrow-minded arrogant pricks like you.
that's why they had to lie and hoodwink other governments and their US american opposition into supporting their drum-up to war, as a last resort, they told.
it was their FIRST resort.
that became clearer and clearer between 2002 and 2003.
that's why france, russia and germany told them publically NO, not with us.
not under these pretenses.
when powell's bizarre clownery before the UN failed, they went ahead anyway, because that's what they wanted.
no warnings, no doubts, no intelligence would ever have changed that.
they wanted in.
and they did.
and it happened like it was predicted by many sides.
and now you sit on a deficit and blame it on obama and the democrats who voted for the authorization of power.
iraq is destroyed, many life's lost, and america-haters are having one field-day after another. lol
dunce.
You have yet to provide any evidence that Bush or his team lied about Iraq. Bush NEVER said Iraq was invaded due to 9/11, in fact he repeatedly said Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. On NATIONAL TV.
LINK PLEASE, for bush stating that iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, BEFORE he chose to go to war against iraq?
rabbi, it is useless trying to reason with guys like you.
the bush administration was set from the beginning to find a way to invade iraq and find a justification for it.
they seized the opportunity 9/11 presented.
but the facts were not on their side, and on top of that, they lacked diplomatic skills, being basically narrow-minded arrogant pricks like you.
that's why they had to lie and hoodwink other governments and their US american opposition into supporting their drum-up to war, as a last resort, they told.
it was their FIRST resort.
that became clearer and clearer between 2002 and 2003.
that's why france, russia and germany told them publically NO, not with us.
not under these pretenses.
when powell's bizarre clownery before the UN failed, they went ahead anyway, because that's what they wanted.
no warnings, no doubts, no intelligence would ever have changed that.
they wanted in.
and they did.
and it happened like it was predicted by many sides.
and now you sit on a deficit and blame it on obama and the democrats who voted for the authorization of power.
iraq is destroyed, many life's lost, and america-haters are having one field-day after another. lol
dunce.
You have yet to provide any evidence that Bush or his team lied about Iraq. Bush NEVER said Iraq was invaded due to 9/11, in fact he repeatedly said Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. On NATIONAL TV.
LINK PLEASE, for bush stating that iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, BEFORE he chose to go to war against iraq?
You're relying on the words of a 60s radical and a country that was secretly violating sanctions and playing footsie with Saddam in Food for Oil?? Really????
The Germans have no credibility on this issue. None. They are the biggest pussies in Europe, afraid of everything, most of all themselves.
rabbi, it is useless trying to reason with guys like you.
the bush administration was set from the beginning to find a way to invade iraq and find a justification for it.
they seized the opportunity 9/11 presented.
but the facts were not on their side, and on top of that, they lacked diplomatic skills, being basically narrow-minded arrogant pricks like you.
that's why they had to lie and hoodwink other governments and their US american opposition into supporting their drum-up to war, as a last resort, they told.
it was their FIRST resort.
that became clearer and clearer between 2002 and 2003.
that's why france, russia and germany told them publically NO, not with us.
not under these pretenses.
when powell's bizarre clownery before the UN failed, they went ahead anyway, because that's what they wanted.
no warnings, no doubts, no intelligence would ever have changed that.
they wanted in.
and they did.
and it happened like it was predicted by many sides.
and now you sit on a deficit and blame it on obama and the democrats who voted for the authorization of power.
iraq is destroyed, many life's lost, and america-haters are having one field-day after another. lol
dunce.
You have yet to provide any evidence that Bush or his team lied about Iraq. Bush NEVER said Iraq was invaded due to 9/11, in fact he repeatedly said Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. On NATIONAL TV.
no, i don't have to provide that.
what they tried to do is to exploit 9/11 and the solidarity of the world with the USA after 9/11 by shifting the target by the umbrella "war on terror" to iraq.
you know, saddam's links with al qaeda, manufactured on demand by torture in egypt (al-libi), yellowcake, mushroom cloud etc..
they did it by cherry-picking data, torture, lying by omission and plain lying, bribing, and on top of that more lying, oh and some fear-mongering propaganda that apparently still got you fooled, gullible one.
and now you try to fall back with:
Show me the lie, lol
you can choose to believe whatever you want and disregard timelines and evidence to the contrary.
rabbi, it is useless trying to reason with guys like you.
the bush administration was set from the beginning to find a way to invade iraq and find a justification for it.
they seized the opportunity 9/11 presented.
but the facts were not on their side, and on top of that, they lacked diplomatic skills, being basically narrow-minded arrogant pricks like you.
that's why they had to lie and hoodwink other governments and their US american opposition into supporting their drum-up to war, as a last resort, they told.
it was their FIRST resort.
that became clearer and clearer between 2002 and 2003.
that's why france, russia and germany told them publically NO, not with us.
not under these pretenses.
when powell's bizarre clownery before the UN failed, they went ahead anyway, because that's what they wanted.
no warnings, no doubts, no intelligence would ever have changed that.
they wanted in.
and they did.
and it happened like it was predicted by many sides.
and now you sit on a deficit and blame it on obama and the democrats who voted for the authorization of power.
iraq is destroyed, many life's lost, and america-haters are having one field-day after another. lol
dunce.
You have yet to provide any evidence that Bush or his team lied about Iraq. Bush NEVER said Iraq was invaded due to 9/11, in fact he repeatedly said Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. On NATIONAL TV.
LINK PLEASE, for bush stating that iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, BEFORE he chose to go to war against iraq?
You have yet to provide any evidence that Bush or his team lied about Iraq. Bush NEVER said Iraq was invaded due to 9/11, in fact he repeatedly said Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. On NATIONAL TV.
no, i don't have to provide that.
what they tried to do is to exploit 9/11 and the solidarity of the world with the USA after 9/11 by shifting the target by the umbrella "war on terror" to iraq.
you know, saddam's links with al qaeda, manufactured on demand by torture in egypt (al-libi), yellowcake, mushroom cloud etc..
they did it by cherry-picking data, torture, lying by omission and plain lying, bribing, and on top of that more lying, oh and some fear-mongering propaganda that apparently still got you fooled, gullible one.
and now you try to fall back with:
Show me the lie, lol
you can choose to believe whatever you want and disregard timelines and evidence to the contrary.
3 Congressional Investigations one lead by Democrats and yet NO claim Bush and company ever lied. Go figure. You are a moron. You want to claim they lied, PROVE it or shut up. You have been making this claim for 7 years, you would think after 7 long years you might actually have some evidence to back up your claim.
All the German notes prove is that the President and team were united on the idea that if Saddam Hussein REFUSED to live up to his cease fire obligations then he would be attacked. Something that had been avoided for 12 LONG years. Hussein ignored his obligations at will and NO ONE did anything about it. He was given an ultimatum and it was back by thousands of US and allied troops. Saddam Hussein chose to believe France and Germany when they insisted he was save to keep ignoring them that they would get the US to back down. He chose the wrong people to believe.
By the way we have evidence that France, Russia and China were working to LIFT sanctions on Iraq by the end of the year 2003. Germany was set to win big contracts if Saddam had more money as was France Russia and China. Germany has no credibility because they were bribed to stay out of it.
*snore*
Since when did the disagreement of the EU become relevant, they couldn't even handle Yugoslavia in their own backyard without US intervention.
i know perfectly well what this thread is about.
you should read it if you have the time.
So either you are derailing the conversation because you know you're wrong or you're really that dumb. Which is it?
rabbi, it is useless trying to reason with guys like you.
the bush administration was set from the beginning to find a way to invade iraq and find a justification for it.
they seized the opportunity 9/11 presented.
but the facts were not on their side, and on top of that, they lacked diplomatic skills, being basically narrow-minded arrogant pricks like you.
that's why they had to lie and hoodwink other governments and their US american opposition into supporting their drum-up to war, as a last resort, they told.
it was their FIRST resort.
that became clearer and clearer between 2002 and 2003.
that's why france, russia and germany told them publically NO, not with us.
not under these pretenses.
when powell's bizarre clownery before the UN failed, they went ahead anyway, because that's what they wanted.
no warnings, no doubts, no intelligence would ever have changed that.
they wanted in.
and they did.
and it happened like it was predicted by many sides.
and now you sit on a deficit and blame it on obama and the democrats who voted for the authorization of power.
iraq is destroyed, many life's lost, and america-haters are having one field-day after another. lol
dunce.
Unfortunately this thread is not about America's invasion of Iraq, which has been discussed ad nauseam. It is about the supposed warning by two wascally Germans. The Germans have no moral standing at all on this, having been proven self-dealing, lying and treacherous.
You haven't refuted anything I wrote, merely repeated left wing and Euro-wienie talking points on America and Iraq.
dear rabbi, i posted this thread. i know what it is about.
you just need to read the headline of the link in the OP:
here, i repost the headline:
Berlin Efforts to Prevent Iraq Invasion: Classified Papers Prove German Warnings to Bush - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International
i will repost your statement, too.
"Unfortunately this thread is not about America's invasion of Iraq, which has been discussed ad nauseam."
you get a pat on the head for being one of the few on this board who correctly write "ad nauseam".
you get nothing for your pathetic try to deflect and rebrand this thread to be another coprologia all'arrabbiata.
this thread is about explicit warnings by the german government to the bush administration about what would happen if the US invaded iraq.
this just shows again how hellbent on invading the Bush admin was.
and how they tried to shanghai as many as possible into their adventure.
and went rabbi-d like you, when the shanghaiing failed and when they were called out for it.
thanks for playing along.
rabbi, it is useless trying to reason with guys like you.
the bush administration was set from the beginning to find a way to invade iraq and find a justification for it.
they seized the opportunity 9/11 presented.
but the facts were not on their side, and on top of that, they lacked diplomatic skills, being basically narrow-minded arrogant pricks like you.
that's why they had to lie and hoodwink other governments and their US american opposition into supporting their drum-up to war, as a last resort, they told.
it was their FIRST resort.
that became clearer and clearer between 2002 and 2003.
that's why france, russia and germany told them publically NO, not with us.
not under these pretenses.
when powell's bizarre clownery before the UN failed, they went ahead anyway, because that's what they wanted.
no warnings, no doubts, no intelligence would ever have changed that.
they wanted in.
and they did.
and it happened like it was predicted by many sides.
and now you sit on a deficit and blame it on obama and the democrats who voted for the authorization of power.
iraq is destroyed, many life's lost, and america-haters are having one field-day after another. lol
dunce.
You have yet to provide any evidence that Bush or his team lied about Iraq. Bush NEVER said Iraq was invaded due to 9/11, in fact he repeatedly said Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. On NATIONAL TV.
LINK PLEASE, for bush stating that iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, BEFORE he chose to go to war against iraq?
rabbi, it is useless trying to reason with guys like you.
the bush administration was set from the beginning to find a way to invade iraq and find a justification for it.
they seized the opportunity 9/11 presented.
but the facts were not on their side, and on top of that, they lacked diplomatic skills, being basically narrow-minded arrogant pricks like you.
that's why they had to lie and hoodwink other governments and their US american opposition into supporting their drum-up to war, as a last resort, they told.
it was their FIRST resort.
that became clearer and clearer between 2002 and 2003.
that's why france, russia and germany told them publically NO, not with us.
not under these pretenses.
when powell's bizarre clownery before the UN failed, they went ahead anyway, because that's what they wanted.
no warnings, no doubts, no intelligence would ever have changed that.
they wanted in.
and they did.
and it happened like it was predicted by many sides.
and now you sit on a deficit and blame it on obama and the democrats who voted for the authorization of power.
iraq is destroyed, many life's lost, and america-haters are having one field-day after another. lol
dunce.
You have yet to provide any evidence that Bush or his team lied about Iraq. Bush NEVER said Iraq was invaded due to 9/11, in fact he repeatedly said Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. On NATIONAL TV.
rabbi, it is useless trying to reason with guys like you.
the bush administration was set from the beginning to find a way to invade iraq and find a justification for it.
they seized the opportunity 9/11 presented.
but the facts were not on their side, and on top of that, they lacked diplomatic skills, being basically narrow-minded arrogant pricks like you.
that's why they had to lie and hoodwink other governments and their US american opposition into supporting their drum-up to war, as a last resort, they told.
it was their FIRST resort.
that became clearer and clearer between 2002 and 2003.
that's why france, russia and germany told them publically NO, not with us.
not under these pretenses.
when powell's bizarre clownery before the UN failed, they went ahead anyway, because that's what they wanted.
no warnings, no doubts, no intelligence would ever have changed that.
they wanted in.
and they did.
and it happened like it was predicted by many sides.
and now you sit on a deficit and blame it on obama and the democrats who voted for the authorization of power.
iraq is destroyed, many life's lost, and america-haters are having one field-day after another. lol
dunce.
You have yet to provide any evidence that Bush or his team lied about Iraq. Bush NEVER said Iraq was invaded due to 9/11, in fact he repeatedly said Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. On NATIONAL TV.
I think it's fair to say Bush talked out of both sides of his mouth on this issue but regardles, he DID imply that invading Iraq was linked to 9/11. Not only once but at least twice.
CNN.com - Bush slammed for Iraq link to 9/11 - Jun 29, 2005
Bush again links Iraq violence to 9/11 | McClatchy
