CJ Roberts on "tax."

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    This may belong in the flame zone, but it's initially put here in "politics" for a reason.

    The ObamaCare Act itself calls the penalty for not buying insurance a "penalty."

    But CJ Roberts and the SCOTUS majority call it a "tax" in order to cobble together a way to salvage the law.

    But if it were a tax, then the SCOTUS couldn't have ruled on it yet due to the anti-injunction law. So the SCOTUS says, it's not that "kind" of tax.

    So, it's a penalty that is really a tax except when it isn't a tax.

    And the lib rubes are actually buying that horse shit.
     
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    Taxed for doing nothing. Heck they don't care.
     
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    To be fair, the Republicans are playing the same game in opposite world. The conservative justices clearly stated that it's not a tax. Leading Republicans didn't call it a tax when it was implemented in Massachusetts. But now it's a tax...except among the conservative justices.
     
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    You can be taxed for what you earn.

    You can be taxed on what you buy.

    You can be penalized for what you do.

    You can be penalized for what you don't do.

    You can be penalized for what you buy.

    You can be penalized for what you don't buy -- but then it's a tax -- except when it isn't a tax.

    See? We're getting the hang of this.

    Next up? The Federal Government will impose a tax on taxes.
     
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    oooooh! I'd never thought of that one. Thanks for the idea.

    I propose a 10% penalty on all tax payments over $100.

    And a 1% penalty on the penalty.
     
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    Liberty is effectively being killed off.
     
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    There HAS been lots of word-play and gamesmanship on the political side of the "discussion" and debate on ObamaCare. I readily admit it.

    But here's the thing. Is that the way we want our SCOTUS to decide important cases? I say it isn't. It's dangerous and dishonest.

    Let's go one step further. Let's say that the penalty (regardless of the fact that Congress made a VERY deliberate choice to call it that and not a 'tax") actually IS a tax. Let's say, in other words, that CJ Roberts put the accurate label on the penalty.

    Question one: was that within the province of the SCOTUS?

    Question two: IF the SCOTUS actually does have some right to re-write the words of the statute (a doesn't mean "A" just because the Legislative Branch chose to call it "A"; "A" is actually "B"), then was the ObamaCare opinion written by the CJ honest when it went on to say that the "tax" wasn't a "tax" as that word is used when contemplating the Anti-Injunction Law?
     
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    The Conservatives justices wrote the minority opinion, right?
     
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    Defies logic...Constitutionally speaking.
     
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    You forgot the surcharge and the penalty (which is really a tax except when it isn't a tax) on the imposition of the surcharge.
     

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