Discussion in 'Religion and Ethics' started by dmp, Mar 23, 2006.
I found this today, as posted by a guy on another forum. Thoughts?
First, the passage (Matthew 19:3-9, NASB) in context:
Some Pharisees came to Jesus, testing Him and asking, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any reason at all?"
And He answered and said, "Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE, and said, 'FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH?' So they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate."
They said to Him, "Why then did Moses command to GIVE HER A CERTIFICATE OF DIVORCE AND SEND her AWAY?"
He said to them, "Because of your hardness of heart Moses permitted you to divorce your wives; but from the beginning it has not been this way. And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."
Now, how can anyone say that this has nothing to do with divorce? It's Jesus' main teaching on the subject.
As far as the last paragraph, I understand the guy to be making the point that one shouldn't just leave one's wife and not grant her a divorce; he should divorce her, so that both could remarry if they wanted to. But that's not Jesus' point. His point is that, excepting cases of adultery, divorce is sin.
What about if the man is "immoral" and commits adultery, does the woman have a right to divorce him as well?
I thought in the Catholic Church divorce was forbidden even in the case of adultery. It was illegal in Italy until fairly recently.
No - adultry is a sin...not divorce.
Another comment from the thread in which I found that piece:
context: The Church does little to help a couple decide if they are right for each other...
adultry only ?---in the text you provided it says "immorality".
Most of the church doesn't care about ANY vow a couple makes except 'forsake all others'. It's quite common to have one spouse violate/go back on/ EVERY OTHER VOW on the list...eventually the other person finds another and commits adultry, and instantly becomes the villian or the sinner.
It's kind of like the guy who is taunted repeatedly by another guy. Then when he can't take it anymore and finally throws a punch, he's the one who is in trouble.
It's exactly like that. I hear and read so often about "Well, NOTHING excuses him for hitting back!! Really! It's his own fault!"
And so what? NEVER...omg...or SO RARELY as to be considered NEVER do we see anyone say "Damn...ya know? who could blame them? A body can only take so much beatin'...right?"
I'm infuriated today...edgy...
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