China flexes military muscle

[freedombecki]

Obama will dither until China smashes our ally.

I'm sorry the Nation Land of the Rising Sun is being considered for an unpleasant attack at the hands of the Sino military.

It could be China has a message for Louis Panetta's visit there this week.

This appeared September 16:

TOKYO (Reuters) - Defense Secretary Leon Panetta will look for ways to deepen U.S. military relations with China during a visit to Asia this week, even as he works to bolster U.S. alliances in the region as part of a strategic shift that Beijing views with concern.Panetta, who arrived in Tokyo on Sunday on his third trip to Asia since becoming defense secretary, will discuss the realignment of U.S. military basing in Japan and expanding ballistic missile defense cooperation before heading to Beijing to try to deepen and broaden military-to-military ties.
He wraps up his visit with defense cooperation talks in New Zealand.
Senior U.S. and Chinese defense officials have made an effort to push their military relationship forward since it resumed a year and a half ago after a bitter break over U.S. arms sales to self-ruled Taiwan, which Beijing views as a breakaway province. Panetta seeks closer Sino-US ties as China military expands

What is going on?

 

[Unkotare]

The Chinese are preparing for combat with Japan.

They will do no such thing. The CCP wants two things:

1) For their citizens to calm down and go back to being passive tools of the state.

2) To tamp down the crisis while saving face.

 

[Unkotare]

did anyone consider china's military build up a reaction to us going around the world making up reasons to attack sovereign nations?

no.

 

[Munin]

China is hiding a huge internal problem, the next war they fight might just be with themselves.

No, an outside war is the perfect way to silence inside struggles. It is even a reason to go to war

Why? Because it will focus the attention of the people from internal problems to external problems that are even bigger.


You could compare the behavior of a population of a country to how the human body reacts having a little bit of pain in a finger and then breaking your leg. You created a bigger problem that your brain"/the population" will pay attention to first

The 9/11 attacks and the wars that followed had a similar effect in the US




Also I just red an article that proves that assumption wrong:

"China Needs Its Army to Stamp Out Domestic Unrest."
No. That's the job of the People's Armed Police. While the world watched in horror as armored personnel carriers and camouflaged soldiers suppressed riots in the Tibetan capital of Lhasa in 2008 and Uighur-dominated Urumqi in 2009, many assumed it was the Chinese army marching in the streets behind Plexiglas shields. But they were mistaken. A careful look at their insignia revealed that the units were part of the People's Armed Police, not the PLA.

The People's Armed Police is a paramilitary force with a wide range of responsibilities for public security. After June 1989, when the PLA was called upon to mobilize its tanks and clear protesters from Beijing's Tiananmen Square, the military sought guarantees from the Chinese leadership that it would no longer be tasked with suppressing domestic "incidents" that it was neither trained nor equipped to handle. The People's Armed Police was then given this specific job as well as significant increases in resources, personnel, and specialized training.

It is subject to many of the same military laws and regulations issued by the central government as its PLA counterpart. However, much of the armed police is under the command of the Public Security Ministry -- China's civilian police force -- and its bureaus, the largest unit of which is responsible for ensuring "internal security," including crowd control and riot response. When domestic disturbances arise, the armed police is called out to control crowds and put down riots, not the PLA. While China's 2008 defense white paper claims that 260,000 armed police are on daily guard duty, other official sources claim a total force of 660,000 officers. And though the armed police is tasked primarily with domestic security, it is also expected to support the PLA in a time of war.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2010/02/22/think_again_chinas_military?page=0,4






The best way for us Westerners to react is to strengthen Chinas potential enemies and weaken its allies militarely: strengthen Japan, Australia, the philipines, Taiwan, South Korea, India and Weaken Pakistan, North Korea.


So stopping the money and weapons going to Pakistan is a good thing, not only for the reason that the Pakistani held Osama Bin Laden in their country with their knowledge of him being there. Pakistan clearly showed that it is not our ally

 

[Dajjal]

I saw on the news that China only has one aircraft carrier, and it has no planes. So they are no match for the west.

 

[Munin]

I saw on the news that China only has one aircraft carrier, and it has no planes. So they are no match for the west.

There was a time that the US had no army at all, not that long ago actually (just before WWII, the US was not a major military power. France and the British empire were the biggest military powers in the world at that time)

 

[Unkotare]

It is ridiculously wrong to say that the US "had no army at all" prior to WWII.

 

[beagle9]

And the very real global game of chess continues.

Until the very end..

 

[beagle9]

In terms of usable force, Taiwan outnumbers them.

They have no real navy, they have no means to get troops over there. Taiwan has a better equipped air force that is also better trained.

They try it on, that will only hasten the revolution they fear.

The last thing they want is the kind of ass kicking the Finns gave Stalin back in 1940.

The technology has greatly changed, and that is what will be implemented in all wars going foward. Then it will be the best technology advanced nation to the finish line, and not by the numbers anylonger. We have even re-thought all of our tactics and strategies as now based upon the latest and greatest technology, where as we called the Iraq Desert Storm war (remember), the new Nintendo war, so do we think that other nations are that far behind us in technology also ?

The Chineese are smart, and us being mingled in with them for so many years now, hasn't helped us one bit when it came to their build up, and this because of our helping them become a super power within that region. Now due to our un-balanced open trade with them for so many years now, we may have created a genie that won't be so easy to keep contained within the bottle. We may even regret once again, for traning them and/or educating them to someday use that education on us in a bad way, just as it was used on 9-11 against us by those arab anti-American trained in America to fly, "enemy pilots".

 

[Munin]

It is ridiculously wrong to say that the US "had no army at all" prior to WWII.

The didn't have no army, but compared to the Western powers like Germany, France & the Brits it was close to no army. The US army buildup began during WWII

 

[Unkotare]

It is ridiculously wrong to say that the US "had no army at all" prior to WWII.

The didn't have no army, but compared to the Western powers like Germany, France & the Brits it was close to no army. The US army buildup began during WWII

You said:

There was a time that the US had no army at all, not that long ago actually (just before WWII)

And your qualified remarks above are still ridiculously wrong. For goodness sakes, study some US History.

 

[waltky]

China makin' neighbors nervous...

Wary of China, Southeast Asia beefs up its defense
Tue, Oct 09, 2012 - Indonesia is buying submarines from South Korea and coastal radar systems from China and the US. Vietnam is getting submarines and combat jets from Russia, while Singapore — the world’s fifth-largest weapons importer — is adding to its sophisticated arsenal.

Wary of China and flush with economic success, Southeast Asia is ramping up spending on military hardware. Territorial disputes in the South China Sea, fueled by the promise of rich oil and gas deposits, have prompted Vietnam, Malaysia, Philippines and Brunei to try to offset China’s growing naval power. Even for those away from that fray, like Indonesia, Thailand and Singapore, maritime security has been a major focus.

As Southeast Asia’s economies boomed, defense spending grew 42 percent in real terms from 2002 to last year, data from the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI) shows. High on the list are warships, patrol boats, radar systems and combat planes, along with submarines and anti-ship missiles, which are particularly effective in denying access to sea lanes. “Submarines are a big thing,” executive director for Asia at the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS) Tim Huxley said. “They can do immense damage without being seen, without being anticipated, and they can do that anywhere in the region.”

For decades, much of Southeast Asia spent little on weapons other than guns and small tanks, but with China’s growing muscle and more funds available, the shopping lists are getting more sophisticated. While it is not an arms race, the build-up is being driven by events in the South China Sea, long-standing squabbles between neighbors and a desire to modernize, analysts say. Piracy, illegal fishing, smuggling, terrorism and disaster relief also play their parts, along with keeping the influential military happy in places such as Thailand and Indonesia.

There is a “general sense of strategic uncertainty in the region” given China’s rise and doubts about the US’ ability to sustain a military presence in Asia, said Ian Storey, a senior fellow at the Institute of Southeast Asian Studies. “If the Chinese did attack the Vietnamese, at least the Vietnamese could inflict some serious damage,” Storey said. SIPRI says Indonesia, Vietnam, Cambodia and Thailand took the lead in boosting their defense budgets by between 66 and 82 percent from 2002 to last year. However, the region’s biggest spender, with the best-equipped military, is Singapore.

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[waltky]

Asians inchin' their way to dat 200 million man army in Revelation...

Asian Powers Increase Military Spending
October 15, 2012 - A new study shows that over the past decade, five Asian powers have increased military spending to levels among the highest in the world, with China leading the way.

The study released Monday by the Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies says China has quadrupled its defense budget since 2000. It also says India, Japan, South Korea and Taiwan have dramatically increased their military spending. That trend is in contrast with the United States and European Union, whose defense budgets have been declining in recent years.

Defense spending in the five analyzed Asian powers still trails that of the United States, but the CSIS study says it will surpass Europe's military expenditures this year. The CSIS study says the five Asian governments spent about $224 billion in 2011, which is almost twice what they collectively spent in 2000. China's estimated defense spending has grown from about $22.5 billion to almost $90 billion in the past decade. But the authors say that some estimates put Chinese spending at a much higher level.

Japan's military budget was close to $60 billion last year. India's defense spending reached $37 billion. South Korea invested about $29 billion on its armament, while Taiwan's defense budget stood at $10 billion in 2011. China now ranks second behind the United States in total military spending, although the Pentagon's budget still outpaces Beijing's defense spending at more than $600 billion year.

Asian Powers Increase Military Spending