Chicago safer than other cities

[Luddly Neddite]

I am so touched by the concern displayed by the rw's over the horrible gun deaths in Chicago but as shown in an earlier thread, Chicago is not even in the top ten for gun related deaths, suicides or homicides.

If only they would pass out guns to Chicago residents. Then they could kill more people and make it into the Top Ten List.

The Geography of U.S. Gun Violence - Neighborhoods - The Atlantic Cities

 

[Oddball]

Safer for whom, drug gang thugs?

 

[Politico]

Hate to break it to ya. But they ain't that concerned..

 

[JKVegas]

500 deaths.

Out of 6 million people.

8/1000th of a percent in 2012.

The percentage was much higher in Newtown.

But fear not - you can still go home and make love to your auto weapon.

 

[Oddball]

500 deaths.

Out of 6 million people.

8/1000th of a percent in 2012.

The percentage was much higher in Newtown.

But fear not - you can still go home and make love to your auto weapon.

Right...When raw numbers aren't on your side, go with the percentages...If the percentages fail you, go with the raw numbers.

Partisan hackery 101.

 

[syrenn]

Cities with the Highest Rates of Gun-Related Homicides
(per 100,000 people)
Rank City City Rate
1 New Orleans 62.1
2 Detroit 35.9
3 Baltimore 29.7
4 Oakland, CA 26.6
5 Newark 25.4
6 St. Louis 24.1
7 Miami 23.7
8 Richmond 23.1
9 Philadelphia 20
10 Washington, D.C. 19 5.5 3.5

Ah yes.....Looking at the cities listed...i see the common problem here. Its not guns.

 

[chikenwing]

500 deaths.

Out of 6 million people.

8/1000th of a percent in 2012.

The percentage was much higher in Newtown.

But fear not - you can still go home and make love to your auto weapon.

Well just to add to this little bit of pissing for distance,Chicago will kill another 500 this years just as they have for YEARS Newton probably not.

Is the view better standing on top of those dead kids?

 

[Missourian]

I am so touched by the concern displayed by the rw's over the horrible gun deaths in Chicago but as shown in an earlier thread, Chicago is not even in the top ten for gun related deaths, suicides or homicides.

If only they would pass out guns to Chicago residents. Then they could kill more people and make it into the Top Ten List.

The Geography of U.S. Gun Violence - Neighborhoods - The Atlantic Cities

But it is 3 times more dangerous than the rest of Illinois, where all those redneck gun lovers you despise so much live.

From another thread:

Chicago...gun free zone...500 firearm homicides.

Illinois most recent data....776 TOTAL firearm homicides.

So Chicago 500, the rest of the state where most of the LEGAL firearms are 226.

And that includes East Saint Louis!


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Now, FTR, this is simply for comparison sake...the 2012 state data for Illinois isn't out yet.
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IOW, it's much, MUCH safer to live next to me, the gun nut, than to live next to you, the gun grabber.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Cities with the Highest Rates of Gun-Related Homicides
(per 100,000 people)
Rank City City Rate
1 New Orleans 62.1
2 Detroit 35.9
3 Baltimore 29.7
4 Oakland, CA 26.6
5 Newark 25.4
6 St. Louis 24.1
7 Miami 23.7
8 Richmond 23.1
9 Philadelphia 20
10 Washington, D.C. 19 5.5 3.5

Ah yes.....Looking at the cities listed...i see the common problem here. Its not guns.

yep. Just as was posted yesterday, there are other factors -

Nonetheless, there's this -

 

[syrenn]

500 deaths.

Out of 6 million people.

8/1000th of a percent in 2012.

The percentage was much higher in Newtown.

But fear not - you can still go home and make love to your auto weapon.

Well just to add to this little bit of pissing for distance,Chicago will kill another 500 this years just as they have for YEARS Newton probably not.

Is the view better standing on top of those dead kids?

It would appear so..... any excuse for agenda works.

 

[syrenn]

Cities with the Highest Rates of Gun-Related Homicides
(per 100,000 people)
Rank City City Rate
1 New Orleans 62.1
2 Detroit 35.9
3 Baltimore 29.7
4 Oakland, CA 26.6
5 Newark 25.4
6 St. Louis 24.1
7 Miami 23.7
8 Richmond 23.1
9 Philadelphia 20
10 Washington, D.C. 19 5.5 3.5

Ah yes.....Looking at the cities listed...i see the common problem here. Its not guns.

yep. Just as was posted yesterday, there are other factors -

Nonetheless, there's this -

not quite what i meant.......

 

[Missourian]

Cities with the Highest Rates of Gun-Related Homicides
(per 100,000 people)
Rank City City Rate
1 New Orleans 62.1
2 Detroit 35.9
3 Baltimore 29.7
4 Oakland, CA 26.6
5 Newark 25.4
6 St. Louis 24.1
7 Miami 23.7
8 Richmond 23.1
9 Philadelphia 20
10 Washington, D.C. 19 5.5 3.5

Ah yes.....Looking at the cities listed...i see the common problem here. Its not guns.

yep. Just as was posted yesterday, there are other factors -

Nonetheless, there's this -

THESE ARE NOT HOMICIDES.

No amount of gun control in the world is going to stop someone intent on killing themselves.

Gun VIOLENCE is concentrated in the cities, while legal gun ownership is concentrated in the rural areas.

If your intent is curbing gun violence and firearm homicides, start looking at urban culture.

 

[Missourian]

Cities with the Highest Rates of Gun-Related Homicides
(per 100,000 people)
Rank City City Rate
1 New Orleans 62.1
2 Detroit 35.9
3 Baltimore 29.7
4 Oakland, CA 26.6
5 Newark 25.4
6 St. Louis 24.1
7 Miami 23.7
8 Richmond 23.1
9 Philadelphia 20
10 Washington, D.C. 19 5.5 3.5

Ah yes.....Looking at the cities listed...i see the common problem here. Its not guns.

yep. Just as was posted yesterday, there are other factors -

Have a link to this...because it looks like unadulterated bunk to me.

 

[Oddball]

Nonetheless, there's this -

That bullshit garbage chart was already debunked in the other thread you started on this topic.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Nonetheless, there's this -

That bullshit garbage chart was already debunked in the other thread you started on this topic.

he did not think you would be here in this one..........

 

[tinydancer]

The bs from the anti gun folks is unreal. If Chicago isn't a glaring example of gun control not working I don't know what else could convince a left winger.

But let's give it another shot with a Harvard study.


Harvard Study: Gun Control Is Counterproductive

From the study:


Harvard Study: Gun Control Is Counterproductive

I've just learned that Washington, D.C.'s petition for a rehearing of the Parker case in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit was denied today. This is good news. Readers will recall in this case that the D.C. Circuit overturned the decades-long ban on gun ownership in the nation's capitol on Second Amendment grounds.

However, as my colleague Peter Ferrara explained in his National Review Online article following the initial decision in March, it looks very likely that the United States Supreme Court will take the case on appeal. When it does so - beyond seriously considering the clear original intent of the Second Amendment to protect an individual's right to armed self-defense - the justices of the U.S. Supreme Court would be wise to take into account the findings of a recent study out of Harvard.

The study, which just appeared in Volume 30, Number 2 of the Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy (pp. 649-694), set out to answer the question in its title: "Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder and Suicide? A Review of International and Some Domestic Evidence." Contrary to conventional wisdom, and the sniffs of our more sophisticated and generally anti-gun counterparts across the pond, the answer is "no." And not just no, as in there is no correlation between gun ownership and violent crime, but an emphatic no, showing a negative correlation: as gun ownership increases, murder and suicide decreases.

The findings of two criminologists - Prof. Don Kates and Prof. Gary Mauser - in their exhaustive study of American and European gun laws and violence rates, are telling:

Nations with stringent anti-gun laws generally have substantially higher murder rates than those that do not. The study found that the nine European nations with the lowest rates of gun ownership (5,000 or fewer guns per 100,000 population) have a combined murder rate three times higher than that of the nine nations with the highest rates of gun ownership (at least 15,000 guns per 100,000 population).

For example, Norway has the highest rate of gun ownership in Western Europe, yet possesses the lowest murder rate. In contrast, Holland's murder rate is nearly the worst, despite having the lowest gun ownership rate in Western Europe. Sweden and Denmark are two more examples of nations with high murder rates but few guns. As the study's authors write in the report:

If the mantra "more guns equal more death and fewer guns equal less death" were true, broad cross-national comparisons should show that nations with higher gun ownership per capita consistently have more death. Nations with higher gun ownership rates, however, do not have higher murder or suicide rates than those with lower gun ownership. Indeed many high gun ownership nations have much lower murder rates. (p. 661)

Finally, and as if to prove the bumper sticker correct - that "gun don't kill people, people do" - the study also shows that Russia's murder rate is four times higher than the U.S. and more than 20 times higher than Norway. This, in a country that practically eradicated private gun ownership over the course of decades of totalitarian rule and police state methods of suppression. Needless to say, very few Russian murders involve guns.

The important thing to keep in mind is not the rate of deaths by gun - a statistic that anti-gun advocates are quick to recite - but the overall murder rate, regardless of means. The criminologists explain:

[P]er capita murder overall is only half as frequent in the United States as in several other nations where gun murder is rarer, but murder by strangling, stabbing, or beating is much more frequent. (p. 663 - emphases in original)

At this link you will find the actual link to the study.

Harvard Study: Gun Control Is Counterproductive | The American Civil Rights Union

 

[Politico]

THESE ARE NOT HOMICIDES.

He doesn't care. He wants all guns banned and will start another 200 threads to paste this shit into.

 

[Oddball]

Nonetheless, there's this -

That bullshit garbage chart was already debunked in the other thread you started on this topic.

he did not think you would be here in this one..........

Actually, it was started by another blind partisan hack, who also wouldn't know an analytical thought if it kicked him in the crotch.

Honest mistake.

 

[skookerasbil]

The PC sheep hate THIS shit..............

Stuff Black People Don't Like - SBPDL: Guns Don't Kill People; Dangerous Minorities Do -- The Chicago Edition


Guns Don't Kill People; Dangerous Minorities Do -- The Chicago Edition

2009 Chicago Annual Report, Chicago Police Department ; Blacks are 32 percent of Chicago's population
Guns don’t kill people, dangerous minorities do. This is the lesson of firearms in America, primarily in major metropolitan areas of the United States like Detroit.



Though at roughly 89 percent Black (the most homogenous major American city), you’d expect most of crime in Detroit to be committed by this very group. That Black people make Detroit the most dangerous place to live in America is something you rarely you hear.


To better understand the statement “Guns don’t kill people, dangerous minorities do,” we need only look at the Chicago Police Department 2009 Crime Report. But that’s getting ahead of ourselves, ever so slightly.


What’s the population breakdown of John Hughes’ favorite city? Well, Bloomberg reports:
Blacks constitute 32.4 percent of the population, down from 36.4 percent in 2000 though still the city’s largest racial bloc. Non-Hispanic whites accounted for 31.7 percent of Chicago’s population in 2010, making them the second-largest racial or ethnic group.
After increasing by 38.1 percent between 1990 and 2000, the city’s Hispanic population growth moderated in the latest decade. The group, the third-largest in the city, grew by 3.3 percent and now makes up 28.9 percent of the city’s total population.


According to that 2009 crime report put together by the Chicago Police Department, Black people are responsible for 75 percent of the murder; 66 percent of the criminal assaults; 57 percent of the robbery; 65 percent of the aggravated assault; and 73 percent of the aggravated battery, for a whopping 64 percent of the total violent crime.

At 32 percent of the population, we can thank the Black population of the city for keeping crime alive in the city!


Data from a 2005 crime report in Chicago produced similar results that suggest Black people have a tendency to utilize guns as a weapon for killing or maiming at rates that dwarf those of white people, who primarily carry for protection from precisely the described scenario from occurring:


According to the 2005 Homicide Report of the Chicago Police Department, the murder clearance rate (in terms of an arrest being made within two years of the homicide) has dropped from over 70% for 1991 to under 60% for 2003. Summer months have significantly higher murder rates, and over 70% of murders take place between 7PM and 5AM. The percentage of murder offenders between 14 and 16 years of age has declined from a 1994 high of approximately 15% to approximately 6% in 2005.
In 2005, 75% of murders involved a firearm, and 11% were the result of a stabbing. 41% of domestic murders were stabbings. 10% of murders in 2005 (39) were the result of an armed robbery, 9% were of undetermined cause, and at least 30% were gang altercations. Over 40% of victims and 60% of offenders were between the ages of 17 and 25. 85% of victims and 93% of offenders were male. 76% of victims were African American (77.4% of offenders were), 18.3% were Hispanic (17.3% of offenders), and 5.6% were white (5.3% of offenders). The African American murder victimization rate was approximately 34 per 100,000; the Hispanic rate was 11 per 100,000, and the white rate 3 per 100,000. Over 75% of victims and 88% of offenders had a prior arrest history. 11% of armed robbery victims were female, 50% of domestic victims were female, and 7% of gang-related victims were female. 31% of armed robbery victims were over 45 years old. 29% of domestic-related murders were committed by women. From 1991 to 2005, 19.2% of armed robbery murder victims were white, and only 4.3% of armed robbery murder offenders were white.
(2005) Victims of gang-related murders: 70% African American, 26% Hispanic, 3% white; 93% male. Offenders in gang-related murders: 76% African American, 20% Hispanic, 3% white; 99% male. Victims of domestic-related murders: 79% African American, 10% Hispanic, 11% white. Victims of armed robbery—related murders: 68% African American, 13% Hispanic, 19% white, 89% male. Offenders in armed robbery—related murders: 87% African American, 9% Hispanic, 4% white; 93% male.


Just this past St. Patrick’s Day Weekend, while white people enjoyed a green beer or two in Chicago, Black people were busy firing their guns at other Black people, to the tune of 40 people being shot and 9 killed:


Ten people were killed and at least 39 others were wounded in

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Nonetheless, there's this -

That bullshit garbage chart was already debunked in the other thread you started on this topic.

he did not think you would be here in this one..........

Jeezus Harry. Stop kissing everyone's ass and post/think for yourself.

I did not start any other thread on this subject.

I did, however, pull links from another thread.