Cheney's speech ignored some inconvenient truths

[Fraulein Hilda]

I never thought I would live to see the day that a president of the United States would undermine... indeed, sell out... those dedicated to the defense of this country.

Now that's unbelieveable!

File that away, next time some lib wags his finger about Democrats putting "people over party"

 

[Chris]

Cheney is trying to keep from being prosecuted for torture.

He is covering his ass.

like you would not?.....right PUSSY BOY....

I wouldn't have to.

Fuck you, asshole.

 

[Chris]

I never thought I would live to see the day that a president of the United States would undermine... indeed, sell out... those dedicated to the defense of this country.

Now that's unbelieveable!

Torture is not "defending this country."

Torture is harming this country.

 

[DiveCon]

Torture is not "defending this country."

Torture is harming this country.

no one did any torture, except YOU, you torture everyone with your moronic posts

 

[elvis]

more nonsense by Midcant....so all this bullshit that your princess Pelosi is spouting can be verified...right?....and of course the dems NEVER would claim anything that would make them look good....right?......go back to Bobosville...you will find plenty of TOOLS there....

Pelosi's not the issue your boys are, time you gained a bit of moral courage and honesty.

yeah because when a democrat the same actions a republican does, it's different, right dipshit?

 

[elvis]

Torture is not "defending this country."

Torture is harming this country.

You tell him, Osama.

 

[Alpha1]

The great irony here is while they were in office, they would have claimed anything that made them look good. So Cheney, a draft dodging fraud and liar, today does the same lying lines and the tools believe. It's so easy to make claims that can't be verified, reminds me of boys bragging how they made it to second base. Wonder if Cheney is still finding WMDs, he found them daily for a while.

Just curious...is your new Vice President, Joe Biden also a draft dodger ?

Joe Biden was in law school, and had asthma. Not a draft dodger.

Joe Biden got 5 student deferments ...exactly like Cheney....

Asthma as a teenager, yet a big time jock....
Cheney was married and later a father.....

but one is a DD and one is not ???

The boneheaded logic of a liberal pinheaded hack no doubt....

 

[DiveCon]

Just curious...is your new Vice President, Joe Biden also a draft dodger ?

Joe Biden was in law school, and had asthma. Not a draft dodger.

Joe Biden got 5 student deferments ...exactly like Cheney....

Asthma as a teenager, yet a big time jock....
Cheney was married and later a father.....

but one is a DD and one is not ???

The boneheaded logic of a liberal pinheaded hack no doubt....

John Kerry had got 4 deferments and was seeking a 5th but was declined
that was when he chose to join the Naval reserve(the Navy's version of the national guard)

 

[midcan5]

Pelosi is not the issue. She is a minor character in this tragedy of American values brought on by fear after 911, anthrax, and color coded stupidity, along with mushroom clouds and lies of an administration that failed in every endeavor. That the conservatives republicans go after a woman not only typifies their usual gutless chauvinism but symbolizes for these chickenhawks the only fight they can win. Bullies who stay in the background, draft dodgers as Cheney and Bush were, and the tools on usmb who condone it are no better than the chickenhawks who caused so many needless deaths.


GOP ChickenHawks

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

Pelosi is not the issue. She is a minor character i...

Minor? Really? She's the third in line to the Presidency of the US... The Speaker of the House of Repsentatives... and she's made the EMPHATIC ASSERTION THAT THE CIA HAS WILLFULLY, KNOWINGLY LIED TO THE CONGRESS OF THE US and thus indirectly to the American people...

Now either that is true or it is NOT... If SHE BELIEVES THAT IT IS TRUE: then the leadership of the CIA who purpetrated this DECEIT NEED TO BE BROUGHT TO JUSTICE... THUS IT IS INCUMBENT UPON THE SPEAKER TO OFFICIALLY REQUIRE THE US JUSTICE DEPARTMENT AND THE FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION TO OFFICIALLY INVESTIGATE TO DETERMINE IF SUCH IS THE CASE, AND WHERE SUCH IS FOUND TO BE THE CASE; THOSE INDIVIDUALS NEED TO BE PROSECUTED TO THE FULLEST EXTENT OF THE LAW... of course such an investigation would be centered upon the Speaker herself... thus she needs to recuse herself of her official role, which could readily influence such an investigation; meaning she needs to step down from her role as speaker, for the term of the investigation...

And where SHE, this minor character, is found to have KNOWINGLY, WILLFULLY LIED TO THE CONGRESS OF THE US and given that her assertions were advanced while speaking to the PRESS... IF THESE ASSERTIONS ARE NOT TRUE... She will be found to have LIED DIRECTLY TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE and she needs to be impeached, and punished to the full extent of the law...

What brand of idiocy could conclude that the SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, the THIRD IN LINE TO THE PRESIDENCY OF THE UNITED STATES, is a 'minor player'...

Whatever brand it is, we can be sure that THAT brand is a very special brand indeed...

 

[Harry Dresden]

Cheney is trying to keep from being prosecuted for torture.

He is covering his ass.

like you would not?.....right PUSSY BOY....

I wouldn't have to.

Fuck you, asshole.

hey dildo....Bobo is looking for a LATRINE ORDERLY in Bobosville....i sent him your name....but even he turned you down....you dont have enough balls apparently....he said your a wannabe.....

 

[elvis]

Pelosi is not the issue. She is a minor character in this tragedy of American values brought on by fear after 911, anthrax, and color coded stupidity, along with mushroom clouds and lies of an administration that failed in every endeavor. That the conservatives republicans go after a woman not only typifies their usual gutless chauvinism but symbolizes for these chickenhawks the only fight they can win. Bullies who stay in the background, draft dodgers as Cheney and Bush were, and the tools on usmb who condone it are no better than the chickenhawks who caused so many needless deaths.


GOP ChickenHawks

Yeah whenever a democrat does something unethical, it doesn't count. Isn't that right, jackass?

 

[Chris]

like you would not?.....right PUSSY BOY....

I wouldn't have to.

Fuck you, asshole.

hey dildo....Bobo is looking for a LATRINE ORDERLY in Bobosville....i sent him your name....but even he turned you down....you dont have enough balls apparently....he said your a wannabe.....

How old are you, 15?

 

[garyd]

And exactly what in their actually contradcits directly anything Cheney said? And exactly based on the information Bush recieved shortly after taking office was he supposed to do? Close all the airports? Hell we didn't have enough information top even do that. We think they are planning something big - considering they are always planning something big is not exactly information that is going to be of benefit to anyone.

Blair 'sstatement is an opinion not a fact unless you can bring evidence that he is an expert on interrogation techniques and someone somewhere can furnish any info at all that these other methods ever actually worked on a terrorist by some one who can furnish actually proof that he was present when such methods were used and can provide details as to what these methods were and exactly what information was obtained thereby.

 

[Life_Long_Dem!]

WASHINGTON - Former Vice President Dick Cheney’s high-profile speech Thursday defending the Bush administration’s policies for interrogating suspected terrorists contained omissions, exaggerations and misstatements, according to intelligence officals and the historical record, including:

Cheney said waterboarding and other harsh interrogation techniques produced information that “prevented the violent death of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of innocent people.” He also quoted Director of National Intelligence Adm. Dennis Blair as saying the information gave U.S. officials a “deeper understanding of the al-Qaeda organization.”

In his statement April 21, however, Blair said “these techniques hurt our image around the world, the damage they have done to our interests far outweighed whatever benefit they gave us and they are not essential to our national security.” A 2004 CIA inspector general’s investigation found no conclusive proof that the information helped thwart any “specific imminent attacks,” according to one of four secret Bush-era memos released last month. And FBI Director Robert Muller said in December that he didn’t think that the techniques disrupted any attacks.

Cheney said his administration “moved decisively against the terrorists in their hideouts and their sanctuaries, and committed to using every asset to take down their networks.” In fact, the Bush administration began diverting U.S. forces, intelligence assets, time and money to planning an invasion of Iraq before it finished the war in Afghanistan, leaving Osama bin Laden and his chief lieutenant, Ayman al-Zawahri, at large nearly eight years after the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks.

There are now 49,000 U.S. troops in Afghanistan fighting to contain the bloodiest surge in Taliban violence since 2001, and extremists have launched a concerted attack on nuclear-armed Pakistan.

Cheney accused Obama of “the selective release” of documents on Bush administration detainee policies, charging Obama withheld records that Cheney claimed prove information gained from the harsh interrogation methods prevented terrorist attacks.

In fact, the decision to withhold the documents was announced by the CIA, which said it was obliged to do so by a 2003 executive order issued by former President George W. Bush prohibiting release of materials that are subject of lawsuits.

Cheney said only “ruthless enemies of this country” were detained by U.S. operatives overseas and taken to secret U.S. prisons.

A 2008 McClatchy investigation, however, found that the vast majority of Guantanamo detainees captured in 2001 and 2002 in Afghanistan and Pakistan were innocent citizens or low-level fighters of little intelligence value who were turned over to American officials for money or because of personal or political rivalries.

Cheney denied there was any link between the Bush administration’s interrogation policies and the abuse of detainees at Iraq’s Abu Ghraib jail, which he blamed on “a few sadistic guards.” But a bipartisan Senate Armed Services report in December traced the abuses at Abu Ghraib to approval of the techniques by senior Bush officials, including former Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld.

Article URL: Intel experts: Dick Cheney was wrong about Bush administration moves - BostonHerald.com

 

[driveby]

So Cheney, a draft dodging fraud and liar.

Maybe you're right, CBS should re-hire Dan Rather to do a story about it .....

 

[driveby]

Pelosi is not the issue. She is a minor character in this tragedy of American values brought on by fear after 911, anthrax, and color coded stupidity, along with mushroom clouds and lies of an administration that failed in every endeavor. That the conservatives republicans go after a woman not only typifies their usual gutless chauvinism but symbolizes for these chickenhawks the only fight they can win. Bullies who stay in the background, draft dodgers as Cheney and Bush were, and the tools on usmb who condone it are no better than the chickenhawks who caused so many needless deaths.


GOP ChickenHawks

She wanted all the "prosecute the Bush administration" and "truth commission" bullshit, maybe she should start by telling the truth herself ? ........

 

[ABikerSailor]

Waterboarding is a form of torture that consists of immobilizing the victim on his or her back with the head inclined downwards, and then pouring water over the face and into the breathing passages. By forced suffocation and inhalation of water, the subject experiences drowning and is caused to believe they are about to die.[1] It is considered a form of torture by legal experts,[2][3] politicians, war veterans,[4][5] medical experts in the treatment of torture victims,[6][7] intelligence officials,[8] military judges,[9] and human rights organizations.[10][11] As early as the Spanish Inquisition it was used for interrogation purposes, to punish and intimidate, and to force confessions.[12]

In contrast to submerging the head face-forward in water, waterboarding precipitates an almost immediate gag reflex.[13] The technique does not inevitably cause lasting physical damage. It can cause extreme pain, dry drowning, damage to lungs, brain damage from oxygen deprivation, other physical injuries including broken bones due to struggling against restraints, lasting psychological damage or, if uninterrupted, death.[2] Adverse physical consequences can start manifesting months after the event; psychological effects can last for years.[6]

In 2007 it was reported that the CIA was using waterboarding on extrajudicial prisoners and that the United States Department of Justice had authorized the procedure,[14][15] a revelation that sparked a worldwide political scandal. Al-Qaeda suspects upon whom the CIA is known to have used waterboarding are Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Abu Zubaydah, and Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri.[16][17]

In January 2009 U.S. President Barack Obama banned the use of waterboarding. In April 2009 the Department of Defense refused to say whether it was still used for training purposes.[18]

Waterboarding - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now......all you assholes out there that say waterboarding is not torture, I would urge you to look it up and read about it for yourselves. It DOES cause long lasting effects, causes pain, and damages the body.

Personally? Since it was used by Pol Pot as a way to elicit FALSE CONFESSIONS from his own people (those whom he didn't like and wished to have executed or put in jail), I'm wondering how long you dumb fuckers can sit there and keep justifying it.

Shit.......even conservative talk show radio host Man Cow (who is a Limbidiot disciple) said (after only lasting 6 seconds) that it was torture.

We also know (because Greenspan said so on the news) that the Iraq war was nothing more than a power grab for the oil fields there, as well as revenge for Saddam Hussein's threat on Bush Sr.'s life.

Speaking of which, you know WHY Cheney is fighting so hard to justify it? It's simple really........Halliburton and KBR (of which he still has a major interest), were making mucho dinero off of this war. Cheney is all over the screen because he knows that he's gonna go broke from all the shoddy work that those companies have done (anyone remember the soldiers dying in the showers of Iraq as well as Walter Reed?).

Personally, I hope they release the (non existent) memos, as well as prosecute the entire Bush Jr. admin for war crimes in the Hague, and their new address is Spandau.

This country has been fucked over long enough by the incest of the GOP as they currently stand.

 

[Harry Dresden]

I wouldn't have to.

Fuck you, asshole.

hey dildo....Bobo is looking for a LATRINE ORDERLY in Bobosville....i sent him your name....but even he turned you down....you dont have enough balls apparently....he said your a wannabe.....

How old are you, 15?

doesnt matter how old i am Pussy Boy.....a MAN does not neg rep someone for disagreeing with them....but PUSSY BOYS do....

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

WASHINGTON - Former Vice President Dick Cheney’s high-profile speech Thursday defending the Bush administration’s policies for interrogating suspected terrorists contained omissions, exaggerations and misstatements, according to intelligence officals and the historical record, including:

Cheney said waterboarding and other harsh interrogation techniques produced information that “prevented the violent death of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of innocent people.” He also quoted Director of National Intelligence Adm. Dennis Blair as saying the information gave U.S. officials a “deeper understanding of the al-Qaeda organization.”

In his statement April 21, however, Blair said “these techniques hurt our image around the world, the damage they have done to our interests far outweighed whatever benefit they gave us and they are not essential to our national security.” A 2004 CIA inspector general’s investigation found no conclusive proof that the information helped thwart any “specific imminent attacks,” according to one of four secret Bush-era memos released last month. And FBI Director Robert Muller said in December that he didn’t think that the techniques disrupted any attacks.

Cheney said his administration “moved decisively against the terrorists in their hideouts and their sanctuaries, and committed to using every asset to take down their networks.” In fact, the Bush administration began diverting U.S. forces, intelligence assets, time and money to planning an invasion of Iraq before it finished the war in Afghanistan, leaving Osama bin Laden and his chief lieutenant, Ayman al-Zawahri, at large nearly eight years after the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks.

There are now 49,000 U.S. troops in Afghanistan fighting to contain the bloodiest surge in Taliban violence since 2001, and extremists have launched a concerted attack on nuclear-armed Pakistan.

Cheney accused Obama of “the selective release” of documents on Bush administration detainee policies, charging Obama withheld records that Cheney claimed prove information gained from the harsh interrogation methods prevented terrorist attacks.

In fact, the decision to withhold the documents was announced by the CIA, which said it was obliged to do so by a 2003 executive order issued by former President George W. Bush prohibiting release of materials that are subject of lawsuits.

Cheney said only “ruthless enemies of this country” were detained by U.S. operatives overseas and taken to secret U.S. prisons.

A 2008 McClatchy investigation, however, found that the vast majority of Guantanamo detainees captured in 2001 and 2002 in Afghanistan and Pakistan were innocent citizens or low-level fighters of little intelligence value who were turned over to American officials for money or because of personal or political rivalries.

Cheney denied there was any link between the Bush administration’s interrogation policies and the abuse of detainees at Iraq’s Abu Ghraib jail, which he blamed on “a few sadistic guards.” But a bipartisan Senate Armed Services report in December traced the abuses at Abu Ghraib to approval of the techniques by senior Bush officials, including former Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld.

Article URL: Intel experts: Dick Cheney was wrong about Bush administration moves - BostonHerald.com

This article doesn't refute anything Cheney said... it is a summary by an anti-American, pro-terrorist reporter which used semi-quotes and out of context statements to support an invalid conclusion...

Nothing new here, in terms of information or the anti-American slant of the ideological left.

Waterboarding didn't hurt our reputation with ANYONE who didn't already have a negative view of America in GENERAL... from the European left to the Taliban.

Two words cover the complete scope of my feelings toward those idiots... SCREW THEM!