Cheney: Obama And The Muslim Brotherhood

[Moonglow]

The same bunch or the ones that claimed they were peaceful Muslim Bros?

 

[Skylar]

The Muslim Bros it must be told, have a sect in the West bank...

In the last year, the only nation about which Obama was reported to be "enraged" was Israel.

"Obama “Enraged” at Israel...Think about this. Enraged. Not “alarmed” or “concerned” or “irritated” or even “angered.” Anger is a feeling. Rage is a frenzy. Anger passes. Rage feeds on itself. Anger is specific. Rage is obsessional, neurotic.
...hit by several thousand unguided rockets and 30-odd terror tunnels, a 50-day war, the forced closure of its one major airport, accusations of “genocide” by Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, anti-Semitic protests throughout Europe, general condemnation across the world. This is the country that is the object of the president’s rage."
Obama 8220 Enraged 8221 at Israel The Blog on Obama White House Dossier

Enranged at the Israeli govenrment for what? The way the Israeli government treated John Kerry.

In the interview with Foreign Policy magazine, he characterizes harsh Israeli criticism from its political Right “hubris,” contributing to a “bubble of illusion” that the Jewish state is not reliant on the US.

Some of that criticism, targeted at Kerry during his efforts to forge a cease-fire with Hamas through Qatar last month, “enraged” the American president, Indyk asserted.

Gaza sees that violence works Indyk says

So what does that have to do with all your other babble about Gaza and support for the Muslim Brotherhood?

Nothing.

Next time read the actual sources, which in this case Indyk. Then comment. Only reading the ignorant reinitialization by an anti-Obama website demonstrates how little you look into the issues you're commenting on. And how much you're mindlessly repeating what you're told to think by whatever right wing website you're reviewing.

And, as a supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood, one can see why......

That's a claim even Cheney didn't make, stopping at the *perception* of support for the Muslim Brotherhood. Obama opposed a military coup in Egypt, which even you don't deny occurred. And your own sources confirm were against the will of the Egyptian people who solidly supported both the Muslim Brotherhood and Morsi.

Stripping it of even a semblance of plausible justification. As the military acted in opposition of the law, the Etyptian constitution, and the will of the people.

Either democracy has meaning or it doesn't. You and Obama have clearly picked opposing teams. Obama on the side of the military NOT overthrowing a democratically elected leader. And you firmly on the side of exactly that.

All of our rhetoric about democracy means nothing if we support the overthrow of democratically elected leaders by military juntas. Which is exactly what happened in Egypt...with slaughter so severe that Human Rights Watch is calling for charges in the Hague. With thousands up on thousands killed.

The point is that Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood are one and the same.

No, they aren't. Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood have completely different leadership, completely different policy agendas, even encompass completely different peoples.

They haven't been even vaguely related since Reagan was in office. Yet you claim they are one in the same today?

Um, no. You don't know what you're talking about.

 

[NYcarbineer]

But neither of you two 'reliable Democrat voters' denied the truth of Cheney's statements.

Good, boys.

Is that the same Cheney that said for certain we would find WMDs in Iraq?

Is there any good argument as to why anyone should take Cheney's word for anything?

 

[PoliticalChic]

The Muslim Bros it must be told, have a sect in the West bank...

In the last year, the only nation about which Obama was reported to be "enraged" was Israel.

"Obama “Enraged” at Israel...Think about this. Enraged. Not “alarmed” or “concerned” or “irritated” or even “angered.” Anger is a feeling. Rage is a frenzy. Anger passes. Rage feeds on itself. Anger is specific. Rage is obsessional, neurotic.
...hit by several thousand unguided rockets and 30-odd terror tunnels, a 50-day war, the forced closure of its one major airport, accusations of “genocide” by Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, anti-Semitic protests throughout Europe, general condemnation across the world. This is the country that is the object of the president’s rage."
Obama 8220 Enraged 8221 at Israel The Blog on Obama White House Dossier

Enranged at the Israeli govenrment for what? The way the Israeli government treated John Kerry.

In the interview with Foreign Policy magazine, he characterizes harsh Israeli criticism from its political Right “hubris,” contributing to a “bubble of illusion” that the Jewish state is not reliant on the US.

Some of that criticism, targeted at Kerry during his efforts to forge a cease-fire with Hamas through Qatar last month, “enraged” the American president, Indyk asserted.

Gaza sees that violence works Indyk says

So what does that have to do with all your other babble about Gaza and support for the Muslim Brotherhood?

Nothing.

Next time read the actual sources, which in this case Indyk. Then comment. Only reading the ignorant reinitialization by an anti-Obama website demonstrates how little you look into the issues you're commenting on. And how much you're mindlessly repeating what you're told to think by whatever right wing website you're reviewing.

And, as a supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood, one can see why......

That's a claim even Cheney didn't make, stopping at the *perception* of support for the Muslim Brotherhood. Obama opposed a military coup in Egypt, which even you don't deny occurred. And your own sources confirm were against the will of the Egyptian people who solidly supported both the Muslim Brotherhood and Morsi.

Stripping it of even a semblance of plausible justification. As the military acted in opposition of the law, the Etyptian constitution, and the will of the people.

Either democracy has meaning or it doesn't. You and Obama have clearly picked opposing teams. Obama on the side of the military NOT overthrowing a democratically elected leader. And you firmly on the side of exactly that.

All of our rhetoric about democracy means nothing if we support the overthrow of democratically elected leaders by military juntas. Which is exactly what happened in Egypt...with slaughter so severe that Human Rights Watch is calling for charges in the Hague. With thousands up on thousands killed.

The point is that Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood are one and the same.

No, they aren't. Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood have completely different leadership, completely different policy agendas, even encompass completely different peoples.

They haven't been even vaguely related since Reagan was in office. Yet you claim they are one in the same today?

Um, no. You don't know what you're talking about.

So....you fail to see the connection between the Muslim Brotherhood, Gaza Hamas, and Obama?


So that I may address you correctly, are you clueless, or a liar?

 

[PoliticalChic]

But neither of you two 'reliable Democrat voters' denied the truth of Cheney's statements.

Good, boys.

Is that the same Cheney that said for certain we would find WMDs in Iraq?

Is there any good argument as to why anyone should take Cheney's word for anything?

Why is it that you are always afraid to address the actual point?

Oh....right....you are either in liar mode, or obfuscation mode.....so, today, the latter.


Got it.

 

[NYcarbineer]

But neither of you two 'reliable Democrat voters' denied the truth of Cheney's statements.

Good, boys.

Is that the same Cheney that said for certain we would find WMDs in Iraq?

Is there any good argument as to why anyone should take Cheney's word for anything?

Why is it that you are always afraid to address the actual point?

Oh....right....you are either in liar mode, or obfuscation mode.....so, today, the latter.


Got it.

It's a baseless unsubstantiated accusation by a rightwing nut. What more need be said than that?

 

[AquaAthena]

But neither of you two 'reliable Democrat voters' denied the truth of Cheney's statements.

Good, boys.

I deny the truth of any statement made by that despicable bastard.

Which is exactly how millions of people feel when the subject is Barack Hussein Obama Jr.

 

[Skylar]

So....you fail to see the connection between the Muslim Brotherhood, Gaza Hamas, and Obama?

That's it? When you're not quoting whatever right wing website is telling you what to think, that's the best you've got?

You've failed to make your case. I don't even think you understand the arguments you're apeing. As demonstrated by that blunder regarding what 'enraged' Obama. You just swallowed that right wing website's rhetoric whole without fact checking any of it. As it was the way Kerry was treated while negotiating a cease fire that enraged him.

You've abandoned even a semblance of an attempt of trying to argue that Morsi's outsting wasn't a coup. Or that the people of Egypt supported it. As your own sources confirm that the Egyptian people supported the Muslim Brotherhood and supported Morsi weeks before the violent military coup. For crying out loud, they elected the man president.

And even now, where the Muslim Brotherhood is illegal, where expressing support for it can get you thrown in jail or killed, where the military has already murdered thousands of Muslim Brotherhood supporters......there's still roughly 40% support for the Muslim Brotherhood and Morsi. That's astonishing. Even the folks at Pew Research Group were surprised to find that many people willing to admit to support.

So that I may address you correctly, are you clueless, or a liar?

And now petty insults. Without a predigested view to mimic, there's really not much to your perspective, is there?

 

[TheOldSchool]

But neither of you two 'reliable Democrat voters' denied the truth of Cheney's statements.

Good, boys.

I deny the truth of any statement made by that despicable bastard.

Which is exactly how millions of people feel when the subject is Barack Hussein Obama Jr.

The difference is most of them felt that way since before Obama ever set foot in the oval office. 90% of the republican party was horrified that their dumbfuckery ended up giftwrapping the Presidency to the Democrats for AT LEAST 8 years and probably 12 to 16 more. Their solution was to oppose the new President at all costs and America be damned.

But I remember a time when George W. Bush and the disgrace that is Dick Cheney were America's champions and I and most of the Democrats threw my full support behind them. Dubya was ready to put the superhero cape on and I was happy about it! And then he destroyed everything I ever believed in about America. He made US the bad guys when he had the opportunity to unite the whole world on our side.

There was a time when I supported George Bush II and Dick the bastard Cheney. You'll never understand the betrayal I felt.

And I blame that squirmy little bastard Dick whispering in his ear. I can't wait until he's 6 feet under.

 

[NoNukes]

But neither of you two 'reliable Democrat voters' denied the truth of Cheney's statements.

Good, boys.

What do you expect Cheney to say? Are you stupid enough to believe anything that comes out of his mouth?

If Israel does not trust the United States, they should stop taking American money and find someone else to support them. Knowing them, they probably never trust anyone except themselves.

What Arab countries trusted the United States?Saudi Arabia? That lovely country that gave us the 9/11 bombers Do any Arab countries trust America? Should they?

 

[Skylar]

But neither of you two 'reliable Democrat voters' denied the truth of Cheney's statements.

Good, boys.

I deny the truth of any statement made by that despicable bastard.

Which is exactly how millions of people feel when the subject is Barack Hussein Obama Jr.

The difference is most of them felt that way since before Obama ever set foot in the oval office. 90% of the republican party was horrified that their dumbfuckery ended up giftwrapping the Presidency to the Democrats for AT LEAST 8 years and probably 12 to 16 more. Their solution was to oppose the new President at all costs and America be damned.

To a depressingly high degree, I think that's accurate. I think many of them looked at it as an issue of our nation's survival. If the nation flourished under the policy of Obama, it might convince Americans that his flavor of community oriented advocacy was both viable and useful. And they might be open to more. 'Community oriented advocacy' being 'socialism' in their minds. And 'more' being straight up communism. At least in the right echo chamber.

So, to prevent our nation's decent into 'communism', they were more than willing to actively try and cause damage to our economy and try to keep people out of work. It might hurt in the short term, but the cost was cheap if it kept the nation from ideologically sliding to the left. When conservatives managed to shut the government down entirely, they were 'giddy'.

At this point I think some of the right, mostly tea party, have gone to such an extreme that I think they could be accurately described as neo-confederate. As their goal is to disable the federal government, crash the economy and bring power back to the States in the aftermath. I think many conservatives see the demographic writing on the wall. And see nothign short of economic and social catastrophe as keeping the republican party relevant and viable.

And I think some are actually working toward that end. Not most conservatives. But an influential minority. I'd count Cruz as among these. Raised by his minister father in 'Dominion Christianity', where Christians are meant by God to take control of the country and rule it politically, economically and culturally, I see Cruz as being so ideologically driven that he's utterly unconcerned about the actual consequences of his beliefs. When pushing to shut down the government, he told his supporters it would be 'easy' to defund Obamacare.

Alas, he's not particularly good at prognosticating either. Nor does Cruz strike me as evil. He seems....certain. His father has been filling his head with ideas that Cruz is some sort of chosen one, there to carry the conservative banner. And I think he's taken this to heart. And this sense of certainty in what must be along with the idea that he is chosen by God to deliver it leads to a man that has no interest in pragmatism or compromise.

Incompetence guiding an ideologically fueled sense of moral and political infallibility are a rather dangerous combo.

But I remember a time when George W. Bush and the disgrace that is Dick Cheney were America's champions and I and most of the Democrats threw my full support behind them. Dubya was ready to put the superhero cape on and I was happy about it! And then he destroyed everything I ever believed in about America. He made US the bad guys when he had the opportunity to unite the whole world on our side.

There was a time when I supported George Bush II and Dick the bastard Cheney. You'll never understand the betrayal I felt.

And I blame that squirmy little bastard Dick whispering in his ear. I can't wait until he's 6 feet under.

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Bush always struck me as.....impressionable. He clearly loved his family, his nation and God. But beyond that, he didn't strike me as a man driven by any particular purpose. Instead, he just fell into situations that were created for him. From college to the national guard to the business his family bankrolled to his politial career in Texas, his life seems overwhelmingly guided by his father, family, and close advisers. With Bush quite willing to allow himself to be led.

Reagan, Bush Sr, Clinton and Obama all had things they really believed in before they took office, ideals that shaped their policy decisions and drove the men forward. Bush struck me as a man who became president because the opportunity arose. And once there largely listened to what he was told.

I think the ideals of compassionate conservatism were his. I suspect he wanted to do good with Medicare Part D. But on most every thing else, he was merely a vessel for someone else's policy plans.

Cheney doesn't strike me as a good man at all. Like Gingrich and Edwards, Cheney has always come across as almost pristine amoral, having very little moral center and being motivated almost exclusively by their desire for power and personal gain. And the consequences of Cheney's leadership have been catastrophic.

 

[PoliticalChic]

But neither of you two 'reliable Democrat voters' denied the truth of Cheney's statements.

Good, boys.

Is that the same Cheney that said for certain we would find WMDs in Iraq?

Is there any good argument as to why anyone should take Cheney's word for anything?

Why is it that you are always afraid to address the actual point?

Oh....right....you are either in liar mode, or obfuscation mode.....so, today, the latter.


Got it.

It's a baseless unsubstantiated accusation by a rightwing nut. What more need be said than that?

Loookkaa' you!

Snapped right back for obfuscation mode into lying mode!


Well trained!

 

[PoliticalChic]

But neither of you two 'reliable Democrat voters' denied the truth of Cheney's statements.

Good, boys.

I deny the truth of any statement made by that despicable bastard.

Which is exactly how millions of people feel when the subject is Barack Hussein Obama Jr.

The difference is most of them felt that way since before Obama ever set foot in the oval office. 90% of the republican party was horrified that their dumbfuckery ended up giftwrapping the Presidency to the Democrats for AT LEAST 8 years and probably 12 to 16 more. Their solution was to oppose the new President at all costs and America be damned.

But I remember a time when George W. Bush and the disgrace that is Dick Cheney were America's champions and I and most of the Democrats threw my full support behind them. Dubya was ready to put the superhero cape on and I was happy about it! And then he destroyed everything I ever believed in about America. He made US the bad guys when he had the opportunity to unite the whole world on our side.

There was a time when I supported George Bush II and Dick the bastard Cheney. You'll never understand the betrayal I felt.

And I blame that squirmy little bastard Dick whispering in his ear. I can't wait until he's 6 feet under.

Even many who supported the community organizer are now seeing the light.....

...not you, of course.

And I so appreciate revealing the indelibly indoctrinated, the modern day "Hiroo Onoda Brigade."

 

[PoliticalChic]

But neither of you two 'reliable Democrat voters' denied the truth of Cheney's statements.

Good, boys.

What do you expect Cheney to say? Are you stupid enough to believe anything that comes out of his mouth?

If Israel does not trust the United States, they should stop taking American money and find someone else to support them. Knowing them, they probably never trust anyone except themselves.

What Arab countries trusted the United States?Saudi Arabia? That lovely country that gave us the 9/11 bombers Do any Arab countries trust America? Should they?

The facts speak for themselves.....I've provided more than a handful of 'em in this thread.

Cheney hit the nail on your head.

 

[NYcarbineer]

But neither of you two 'reliable Democrat voters' denied the truth of Cheney's statements.

Good, boys.

Is that the same Cheney that said for certain we would find WMDs in Iraq?

Is there any good argument as to why anyone should take Cheney's word for anything?

Why is it that you are always afraid to address the actual point?

Oh....right....you are either in liar mode, or obfuscation mode.....so, today, the latter.


Got it.

It's a baseless unsubstantiated accusation by a rightwing nut. What more need be said than that?

Loookkaa' you!

Snapped right back for obfuscation mode into lying mode!


Well trained!

Cheney's opinions have no weight. Much like yours. You both have a history of being wrong so often that you could probably qualify as contrary indicators.

 

[NYcarbineer]

But neither of you two 'reliable Democrat voters' denied the truth of Cheney's statements.

Good, boys.

Even Breitbart in that link acknowledges that Cheney never cites any specific Arab country for this supposed distrust or beliefs that Obama supports the Muslim Brotherhood. Nor does Cheney name a single name of his 'contacts' that supposedly expressed the sentiments Cheney mentions.

So again, this is just an unsubstantiated Dick Cheney opinion piece that no more needs refutation than did Donald Trump's claims about the president's birthplace.

 

[NYcarbineer]

But neither of you two 'reliable Democrat voters' denied the truth of Cheney's statements.

Good, boys.

What do you expect Cheney to say? Are you stupid enough to believe anything that comes out of his mouth?

If Israel does not trust the United States, they should stop taking American money and find someone else to support them. Knowing them, they probably never trust anyone except themselves.

What Arab countries trusted the United States?Saudi Arabia? That lovely country that gave us the 9/11 bombers Do any Arab countries trust America? Should they?

The facts speak for themselves.....I've provided more than a handful of 'em in this thread.

Cheney hit the nail on your head.

You provided no facts. Nothing Cheney said was supported by any facts.

 

[Unkotare]

good for Cheney....it will be a good day when he dies off.

That day can't come soon enough.

He will be remembered for his service to this country 100 years after you and that other asshole are no longer remembered by any living soul. Does it make you feel less insignificant to wish for the death of an old man who is indisputably your superior?

 

[PoliticalChic]

But neither of you two 'reliable Democrat voters' denied the truth of Cheney's statements.

Good, boys.

Is that the same Cheney that said for certain we would find WMDs in Iraq?

Is there any good argument as to why anyone should take Cheney's word for anything?

Why is it that you are always afraid to address the actual point?

Oh....right....you are either in liar mode, or obfuscation mode.....so, today, the latter.


Got it.

It's a baseless unsubstantiated accusation by a rightwing nut. What more need be said than that?

Loookkaa' you!

Snapped right back for obfuscation mode into lying mode!


Well trained!

Cheney's opinions have no weight. Much like yours. You both have a history of being wrong so often that you could probably qualify as contrary indicators.

Well....let's set you straight: I'm never wrong....especially about you.

And....there are numerous facts in the thread that prove it.

You may return to lying and clouding the issue.
Dismissed.

 

[PoliticalChic]

But neither of you two 'reliable Democrat voters' denied the truth of Cheney's statements.

Good, boys.

Even Breitbart in that link acknowledges that Cheney never cites any specific Arab country for this supposed distrust or beliefs that Obama supports the Muslim Brotherhood. Nor does Cheney name a single name of his 'contacts' that supposedly expressed the sentiments Cheney mentions.

So again, this is just an unsubstantiated Dick Cheney opinion piece that no more needs refutation than did Donald Trump's claims about the president's birthplace.

"...Cheney never cites any specific Arab country for this supposed distrust or beliefs that Obama supports the Muslim Brotherhood."



But I did.